Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[New Tyran]

Yeah but you're in a hot oily smelly tank

kimonos would get torn and dirty

I like that.

[The Grey Wolf]

You don't have little girls playing tank sports in your nation though

unless you do, then fuuuuuuck

I do.

[Imperializt Russia]

it would work

the important thing is to have enough torque to run over a tree

How does one obtain torque magic

Phat powerplant, phat trax.

[Registug]

Well phat trax is already a design requirement so

[Costa Fierro]

Sherman v Panther

Lanchester's square laws determine warfare. Obsession over the small and irrelevant details causes one to lose sight of the greater picture and by corollary the great, underlying mathematical mechanisms that warfare operates on.

The Sherman is the best tank.

What other vehicle saves you ammo by setting itself on fire to prevent capture?

Is also good for lighting German cigarettes.

Of course, ppl are forgetting that the Panther tanks were issued to second-rate units within the German military whose crews weren't as experienced or as well trained as those using say...the Tiger. Teh Germans pretty much felt that because the Panther cost less resources than the Tiger or King Tiger, their losses didn't matter as much as Tigers and so crews were less well trained simply because the Germans could replace Panthers faster.

Not that they could actually sustain the losses they were getting. For all that it's worth, the Panther was a good tank that was let down by the people that crewed it.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's quite a stretch to portray units that aren't elite panzer units equipped with the Tiger as "letdowns".
They are second rate, in that they're second to elite units.

By this rate, the US Army is a "second rate letdown" to the USMC.

[Registug]

Again, death traps was a bad book full of lies and slander

[Costa Fierro]

It's quite a stretch to portray units that aren't elite panzer units equipped with the Tiger as "letdowns".
They are second rate, in that they're second to elite units.

By this rate, the US Army is a "second rate letdown" to the USMC.

What I was trying to say was that the Panther was a good tank that was hampered by crews that were not as well trained or as well experienced as others in the German military at that time.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's quite a stretch to portray units that aren't elite panzer units equipped with the Tiger as "letdowns".
They are second rate, in that they're second to elite units.

By this rate, the US Army is a "second rate letdown" to the USMC.

What I was trying to say was that the Panther was a good tank that was hampered by crews that were not as well trained or as well experienced as others in the German military at that time.

Guards units are better than regulars.
Who knew?

[Anemos Major]

What I was trying to say was that the Panther was a good tank that was hampered by crews that were not as well trained or as well experienced as others in the German military at that time.

The Panther's own problems as a tank re: supply chains, complexity on the manufacturing line and reliability problems were probably greater contributors to its failure to perform as intended than the crews in the tanks themselves. Tiger crews, as Samozny notes, were picked because of their competence and glorified immensely in light of that - they're cherrypicked elites - which means that Panther crews were, on balance, less experienced and possibly capable, but then the intended role of the Panther wasn't necessarily to be a tank hunter built for the elites.

In essence, the Panther was, as an intended future medium tank, meant to be in the same class as the Panzer IV rather than the Tiger, and to thus argue that it was hampered because its crews were taken from the former's formations than the latter is a bit misguided. Is a service rifle poorly designed because it's not being fired by a Special Forces operator?

E: just realised how wonderfully apt it is to label the Panther a 'paper tiger'

[Oaledonia]

It's practical for adorable. And is actually really comfortable.

Eeh...

The one I wore was.

[Anemos Major]

The one I wore was.

Then it was either informal dress, or a fake, or fitted improperly.

Trust me, I know - I go through all of my New Year's formalities in a proper, full formal male kimono (which is still supposed to be less fiddly than the ones women wear), and it's not the height of comfort. Even the fact that it's somewhat loose-fitting is swallowed up by layer after layer of garments.

[Morganutopia]

Would a thin layer of carbon fiber increase the survivability of a k1 on the modern battlefield.
This quandary has been plaguing me I have tried to do research but nothing gave me a clear answer, if there's anyone who is more knowledgeable please respond.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The one I wore was.

Then it was either informal dress, or a fake, or fitted improperly. :P

Trust me, I know - I go through all of my New Year's formalities in a proper, full formal male kimono (which is still supposed to be less fiddly than the ones women wear), and it's not the height of comfort. Even the fact that it's somewhat loose-fitting is swallowed up by layer after layer of garments.

Which is why I hope you brought the flame-resistant tank issue overalls for the GuPz thread. 'Mos-san. :3

[Oaledonia]

The one I wore was.

Then it was either informal dress, or a fake, or fitted improperly.

Trust me, I know - I go through all of my New Year's formalities in a proper, full formal male kimono (which is still supposed to be less fiddly than the ones women wear), and it's not the height of comfort. Even the fact that it's somewhat loose-fitting is swallowed up by layer after layer of garments.

It wasn't formal, at all. My sister wore a furisode, she told me that it wasn't comfortable but wasn't terrible, like some sort of clothing limbo

[Zeinbrad]

What if the SAS jeeps dakka includes ATGMs?

That the Boer magically learned how to use. Like an FPS.

(this actually isn't a bad idea in practice at all - one of the key issues with contemporary F&F ATGMs is the fact that you need to displace after you fire, which is a bit difficult when you're lugging around a CLU and tubes - hence the separation of the two in many modern designs - whereas a jeep allows you to relocate, dump the spent tube, reload and continue firing

but then, it's fairly well established doctrinally already )

E: Will update list sometime today, Vetok. Speaking of which...

But where shall they get the ATGM's, I imagine they aren't just laying around.

Bashing the lock with your buttstock enough to make it break open?

[Yytuskia]

’Panzerkampfwagen Vc ‘Konigspanther’ Model Icarus’
Weight: 44.8 tonnes
Length: 6.87m
Engine: Maybach HL 230 P30 (V12); 690HP; Max Speed of 55kph
Armament: 1x 7,5cm Ferguson Manufacturing L/100 ‘KampfwagenKanone’ 2/02 w/ Autoloader (75 rounds: Pzgr. 2/02 (Armor Piercing, Fin-Stabilized Discarding, Sabot Round)), 2x 14.5x114mm MG-67H (One CROW-mounted, one turret mounted)
Armor: [Chassis: 1,450mm/ 1,450mm/ 1,400mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 200mm/ 200mm/ 200mm)] [Turret: 1,400mm/ 1,400mm/ 1,400mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 270mm/ 270mm/ 270mm)]
Radio: FuG 12 Model J (700m)
Suspension: Leaf Coil, double Torsion Bar suspension
Crew: 4 (Driver, Gunner, Loader, Commander)
Armor Angling: 40 degrees on chassis, all sides; 40 degrees for turret, all sides
Purpose: Designed as a precursor to the ‘Leopard’, the Panzerkampfwagen Vc ‘Konigspanther’ was in fact Yytuskia’s most technologically advanced medium tank. Armed with a high velocity 75mm KwK L/100 2/02, two MG-67H’s, and utilizing modern observation equipment, it serves as a well-rounded Main Medium Battle Tank (MMBT) that can deal damage from afar. Designed in 1997 and tested until 2000, the ‘Konigspanther’ was first armed with the heavier 10,5cm L/56 KwK 89, until it was found that the gun and autoloader we incompatible, so it was rearmed with a newly designed 7,5 cm L/100 KwK 2/02, or model 2002, in 2002. This new gun was a higher velocity than other 7,5cm KwK’s, thus farther range, and better optics (x5.5) than the ‘Leopard’. Its Maybach HL 230 P30 V12 engine gives a maximum of 690 Horse Power and a max speed of 55kph on a paved surface. Around 2,378 units have been manufactured, specifically for the Yytuskian Loyalist Forces.
Cost: C$395,600 per unit


feed back plz.

[Oaledonia]

’Panzerkampfwagen Vc ‘Konigspanther’ Model Icarus’
Weight: 44.8 tonnes
Length: 6.87m
Engine: Maybach HL 230 P30 (V12); 690HP; Max Speed of 55kph
Armament: 1x 7,5cm Ferguson Manufacturing L/100 ‘KampfwagenKanone’ 2/02 w/ Autoloader (75 rounds: Pzgr. 2/02 (Armor Piercing, Fin-Stabilized Discarding, Sabot Round)), 2x 14.5x114mm MG-67H (One CROW-mounted, one turret mounted)
Armor: [Chassis: 1,450mm/ 1,450mm/ 1,400mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 200mm/ 200mm/ 200mm)] [Turret: 1,400mm/ 1,400mm/ 1,400mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 270mm/ 270mm/ 270mm)]
Radio: FuG 12 Model J (700m)
Suspension: Leaf Coil, double Torsion Bar suspension
Crew: 4 (Driver, Gunner, Loader, Commander)
Armor Angling: 40 degrees on chassis, all sides; 40 degrees for turret, all sides
Purpose: Designed as a precursor to the ‘Leopard’, the Panzerkampfwagen Vc ‘Konigspanther’ was in fact Yytuskia’s most technologically advanced medium tank. Armed with a high velocity 75mm KwK L/100 2/02, two MG-67H’s, and utilizing modern observation equipment, it serves as a well-rounded Main Medium Battle Tank (MMBT) that can deal damage from afar. Designed in 1997 and tested until 2000, the ‘Konigspanther’ was first armed with the heavier 10,5cm L/56 KwK 89, until it was found that the gun and autoloader we incompatible, so it was rearmed with a newly designed 7,5 cm L/100 KwK 2/02, or model 2002, in 2002. This new gun was a higher velocity than other 7,5cm KwK’s, thus farther range, and better optics (x5.5) than the ‘Leopard’. Its Maybach HL 230 P30 V12 engine gives a maximum of 690 Horse Power and a max speed of 55kph on a paved surface. Around 2,378 units have been manufactured, specifically for the Yytuskian Loyalist Forces.
Cost: C$395,600 per unit


feed back plz.

Thats a small cannon.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

’Panzerkampfwagen Vc ‘Konigspanther’ Model Icarus’
Weight: 44.8 tonnes
Length: 6.87m
Engine: Maybach HL 230 P30 (V12); 690HP; Max Speed of 55kph
Armament: 1x 7,5cm Ferguson Manufacturing L/100 ‘KampfwagenKanone’ 2/02 w/ Autoloader (75 rounds: Pzgr. 2/02 (Armor Piercing, Fin-Stabilized Discarding, Sabot Round)), 2x 14.5x114mm MG-67H (One CROW-mounted, one turret mounted)
Armor: [Chassis: 1,450mm/ 1,450mm/ 1,400mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 200mm/ 200mm/ 200mm)] [Turret: 1,400mm/ 1,400mm/ 1,400mm (Spaced Composite, Reactive Armor, Depleted Uranium: 270mm/ 270mm/ 270mm)]
Radio: FuG 12 Model J (700m)
Suspension: Leaf Coil, double Torsion Bar suspension
Crew: 4 (Driver, Gunner, Loader, Commander)
Armor Angling: 40 degrees on chassis, all sides; 40 degrees for turret, all sides
Purpose: Designed as a precursor to the ‘Leopard’, the Panzerkampfwagen Vc ‘Konigspanther’ was in fact Yytuskia’s most technologically advanced medium tank. Armed with a high velocity 75mm KwK L/100 2/02, two MG-67H’s, and utilizing modern observation equipment, it serves as a well-rounded Main Medium Battle Tank (MMBT) that can deal damage from afar. Designed in 1997 and tested until 2000, the ‘Konigspanther’ was first armed with the heavier 10,5cm L/56 KwK 89, until it was found that the gun and autoloader we incompatible, so it was rearmed with a newly designed 7,5 cm L/100 KwK 2/02, or model 2002, in 2002. This new gun was a higher velocity than other 7,5cm KwK’s, thus farther range, and better optics (x5.5) than the ‘Leopard’. Its Maybach HL 230 P30 V12 engine gives a maximum of 690 Horse Power and a max speed of 55kph on a paved surface. Around 2,378 units have been manufactured, specifically for the Yytuskian Loyalist Forces.
Cost: C$395,600 per unit


feed back plz.

L100? 100 calibers length? First the gun will be long 7.5 meters. No way you use that tank in cities. Also not sure can the structure support such a length.
Also 75 mm? In 2000? the tanks will have a laugh at it. It can not penetrate a modern MBT from the front. I am not that sure about sides. 75 mm is way too small for a modern tank.

[Zeinbrad]

LT-17

Weight-about 17 to 20 tons.
Length-Um...
Armament- 50mm tank gun, with 74 shells, a MG-34 with 2,400 rounds.
Armor-25mm front, 20mm side, 15mm rear.
Radio Range-700-720m
Suspension-Know a good one?
Crew-4
Role-1939-1943 Main Battle Tank.
1943-1945-Reserve tank.

This is the first true Oaltian tank design, came into use about two years into the invasion.

Thoughts?

[Yytuskia]

The Pz.Kpfw Vc is actually meant to aim at weak points on other tanks and support heavies against AT crews. The L/100 is actually the serial code, while the 75mm round is specifically designed to puncture light/medium armor targets (500mm-1000mm) and medium range.

The crews also go through three years training in peacetime, while wartime is shortened to 2 1/2 years. This training allows the gunners to aim for know weak points (ie. View ports or electronics, guns, hatches etc.) and for drivers to position themselves for tactical superiority.

[Zeinbrad]

The Pz.Kpfw Vc is actually meant to aim at weak points on other tanks and support heavies against AT crews. The L/100 is actually the serial code, while the 75mm round is specifically designed to puncture light/medium armor targets (500mm-1000mm) and medium range.

The crews also go through three years training in peacetime, while wartime is shortened to 2 1/2 years. This training allows the gunners to aim for know weak points (ie. View ports or electronics, guns, hatches etc.) and for drivers to position themselves for tactical superiority.

I believe that would work in WW2 era...not modern.

Also, it pales in comparison to my tank.

[Need a Name]

Do Heavy Tanks have any purpose anymore on the modern battlefield? Or did their time go with WWII?

[Yytuskia]

Do Heavy Tanks have any purpose anymore on the modern battlefield? Or did their time go with WWII?

Yytuskian heavies are still functioning, and in mock fire fights with allied nations, show that they are still useful to our army still.

[Need a Name]

Do Heavy Tanks have any purpose anymore on the modern battlefield? Or did their time go with WWII?

Yytuskian heavies are still functioning, and in mock fire fights with allied nations, show that they are still useful to our army still.

Okay, I was wondering because I was considering implementing Heavy Tanks to work with my MBTs.