Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[San-Silvacian]

whats with NS and Jadgpanther things

Germany worst tank

[Rich and Corporations]

whats with NS and Jadgpanther things

Germany worst tank

lost two wars
france lost four wars
america lost several wars, but none of them required tanks

[San-Silvacian]

whats with NS and Jadgpanther things

Germany worst tank

lost two wars
france lost four wars
america lost several wars, but none of them required tanks

Germany lost two world wars, though they didn't start the first one.

[Rich and Corporations]

lost two wars
france lost four wars
america lost several wars, but none of them required tanks

Germany lost two world wars, though they didn't start the first one.

treaty of versailles... says differently
and then the Germans signed it

so it's true.

[The Kievan People]

Yes. Especially with APFSDS.

I wouldn't replace the LRF altogether though. An infrared stereo sight (needed if you want to use it at night) would be a rather big and clumsy piece of hardware. Stereo/coincidence rangefinders were never very consistent in the field either because any deformation (even very tiny ones resulting from differential heating of the housing or vibrations) of the rangefinder can alter the range results.

In practice it is probably easier to train crews to range near the target if it is suspected to have a LWR.

[Rich and Corporations]

An infrared stereo sight (needed if you want to use it at night)

hasn't there been some progress in miniaturization of infrared? something to do with reduced heat generation or improved tolerances or something?

[The Kievan People]

Since a stereo rangefinders range resolution is limited by the angular resolution of the detector, and angular resolution is limited by the size of the aperture, an accurate stereo rangefinder requires relatively large apertures. Since infrared apertures must be much larger than visible light optics to achieve comparable angular resolution, an infrared stereo rangefinder will be much larger than a comparable visible light device.

The detector itself is usually only a small component of a stereo rangefinder.

[Roski]

Germany lost two world wars, though they didn't start the first one.

treaty of versailles... says differently
and then the Germans signed it

so it's true.

Do you believe everything the internet tells you?
That's not at all what the treaty says, it just says the Germans were to be held responsible.

[Oaledonia]

held responsible.

Which means they lost.

[Registug]

held responsible.

Which means they lost.

this point of contention was whether or not they started it

[Gallia-]

held responsible.

Which means they lost.

Both. They started it, and they lost. Typical Germans.

[Purpelia]

To be fair they did not start the second one.

[Alduinium]

Speaking of Germans, would Leo 2 be good replacement for outdated Pact stuff or should I simply go with Oplots/T-90's?

[Crookfur]

Speaking of Germans, would Leo 2 be good replacement for outdated Pact stuff or should I simply go with Oplots/T-90's?

well in Rl its a quick and cheap option since most of its former european users have been giving them away.

On NS i would suspect going down the oplot road or even buying some of the vastly more poliferated (and thus likely cheaper) M1 Abrams.

[Alduinium]

Speaking of Germans, would Leo 2 be good replacement for outdated Pact stuff or should I simply go with Oplots/T-90's?

well in Rl its a quick and cheap option since most of its former european users have been giving them away.

On NS i would suspect going down the oplot road or even buying some of the vastly more poliferated (and thus likely cheaper) M1 Abrams.

Eh, I kinda wanted to avoid the Abrams, since it seems to be a little overused, and I'm not sure how well the gas turbine engire will operate in -30 degree fahrenheit weather.

EDIT: Also, would it be a good idea to take a Sheridan and give it a 90mm gun like the Eland?

[Imperializt Russia]

Germany lost two world wars, though they didn't start the first one.

treaty of versailles... says differently
and then the Germans signed it

so it's true.

And because of it, we got a second war and were down a few dozen million people.

I've begun to wonder, recently, if the Cold War had been as horrific as it had been, had the Second World War not happened.

To be fair they did not start the second one.

Germany initiated hostilities in the Second War.
If you're referring to how the Second War was almost directly the result of the Treaty of Versailles, I agree, but the Germans still started the War.

[Purpelia]

Germany initiated hostilities in the Second War.
If you're referring to how the Second War was almost directly the result of the Treaty of Versailles, I agree, but the Germans still started the War.

Germany invaded poland. At this point this was still a local European war. Or if you want to be technical and include the Soviet Union an Euroasian war. England and France declared war on Germany which made it a world war. Thus Germany did not start the Second World War.

Plus, if the allies were so high and mighty why didn't they declare war on everyone who invaded poland and not just Germany?
And no, I am not defending Germany here. My opinion is that the whole clusterfuck that was WW2 in Europe could and should have been avoided.

[The New Lowlands]

Germany initiated hostilities in the Second War.
If you're referring to how the Second War was almost directly the result of the Treaty of Versailles, I agree, but the Germans still started the War.

Germany invaded poland. At this point this was still a local European war. Or if you want to be technical and include the Soviet Union an Euroasian war. England and France declared war on Germany which made it a world war. Thus Germany did not start the Second World War.

Plus, if the allies were so high and mighty why didn't they declare war on everyone who invaded poland and not just Germany?
And no, I am not defending Germany here. My opinion is that the whole clusterfuck that was WW2 in Europe could and should have been avoided.

Well, Germany ignored an ultimatum from England and France.

[Purpelia]

Germany invaded poland. At this point this was still a local European war. Or if you want to be technical and include the Soviet Union an Euroasian war. England and France declared war on Germany which made it a world war. Thus Germany did not start the Second World War.

Plus, if the allies were so high and mighty why didn't they declare war on everyone who invaded poland and not just Germany?
And no, I am not defending Germany here. My opinion is that the whole clusterfuck that was WW2 in Europe could and should have been avoided.

Well, Germany ignored an ultimatum from England and France.

And ultimatums are NOT stupid things that lead to war? See what I am saying? They should have just done what the EU is doing now with the ukraine and thrown poland under the bus for the greater good of Europe.

[The New Lowlands]

Well, Germany ignored an ultimatum from England and France.

And ultimatums are NOT stupid things that lead to war? See what I am saying? They should have just done what the EU is doing now with the ukraine and thrown poland under the bus for the greater good of Europe.

And let the Nazis invade Western Europe in the following year?

[Purpelia]

And ultimatums are NOT stupid things that lead to war? See what I am saying? They should have just done what the EU is doing now with the ukraine and thrown poland under the bus for the greater good of Europe.

And let the Nazis invade Western Europe in the following year?

By which time the allies would have had more time to prepare AND an opportunity to learn from what happened in poland and maybe, just maybe not make the whole invasion of France end before you could finish making a decent cup of tea. Seriously, Hitler would have gone east before he would go west. And this would have given the western allies ample time to prepare.

[Imperializt Russia]

Germany initiated hostilities in the Second War.
If you're referring to how the Second War was almost directly the result of the Treaty of Versailles, I agree, but the Germans still started the War.

Germany invaded poland. At this point this was still a local European war. Or if you want to be technical and include the Soviet Union an Euroasian war. England and France declared war on Germany which made it a world war. Thus Germany did not start the Second World War.

Plus, if the allies were so high and mighty why didn't they declare war on everyone who invaded poland and not just Germany?
And no, I am not defending Germany here. My opinion is that the whole clusterfuck that was WW2 in Europe could and should have been avoided.

Yes.
By not implementing the Treaty of Versailles.

It, its findings and its restrictions on Germany and its fault in the war were probably the primary catalyst that allowed Hitler to gain power. As soon as he gained power, he was in position to fight the Soviets to destroy communism, achieve lebensraum from "stolen" German territory and Poland, and reclaim German national pride.

The Allied powers had a duty to prevent this from happening, if only for the fact that the lot was forbidden under the Treaty of Versailles.

[Purpelia]

Yes.
By not implementing the Treaty of Versailles.

I am trying to give a solution that gives the allies a plausible level of common sense and intelligence. What you propose would actually require them to have a brain and think at the same time. Let's be realistic.

I mean, if we are going to go and start making allowances for the people to have even half a brain than we would conclude that starting WW1 was a stupid thing for all sides in the first place.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes.
By not implementing the Treaty of Versailles.

I am trying to give a solution that gives the allies a plausible level of common sense and intelligence. What you propose would actually require them to have a brain and think at the same time. Let's be realistic.

They did. They were just bitter.
The Americans were quite heavily against the Treaty of Versailles, for broadly this reason. French and British individuals in government or military predicted with decent accuracy that Germany would fight another war within two decades.

[Purpelia]

I am trying to give a solution that gives the allies a plausible level of common sense and intelligence. What you propose would actually require them to have a brain and think at the same time. Let's be realistic.

They did. They were just bitter.
The Americans were quite heavily against the Treaty of Versailles, for broadly this reason. French and British individuals in government or military predicted with decent accuracy that Germany would fight another war within two decades.

Allowing your emotions to take place of reason = having no brain.