NS Infantry discussion thread

[Purpelia]

A totally not BMP-3 clone called Gargamel. It uses a 100mm gun-launcher, a 40mm chain gun (Supershot 40, used to be 30x173 but we needed more HE) and a 7.5x55mm chain gun on the side. It also fires spikes from the main barrel, has ERA and an APS and hates all things small and furry. Well, all things except Sam. Everyone loves that little furry sociopath.

Spikes? Isn't it LV?

Yes, as in the Spike missile. I basically have my own 100mm top attack derivative. Nothing special about it.

[Immoren]

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Is it wrong that I want to use a shitload of different IFVs?

Supposing I had a nation (read: military) large enough would it be viable?

[Purpelia]

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I can't decide if it's cute in an ugly way or ugly in a cute way. But I want one as a pet.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Spikes? Isn't it LV?

Yes, as in the Spike missile. I basically have my own 100mm top attack derivative. Nothing special about it.

Ohhh I thought you mean APFSDS

Top attack missiles are like the rape train of missiles, no?

[Immoren]

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I can't decide if it's cute in an ugly way or ugly in a cute way. But I want one as a pet.

Finland's first attempt at indigenous APC (and apparently entire AFV family based on it).
Suffice to say it sucked.

[Ardavia]

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Which one is it?

[Immoren]

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Which one is it?

Vammaskosken VK

The first Finnish armoured personnel carrier VK
by Major (Engineering) Esa Muikku, M.Sc.,
The Defence Forces Materiel Command Headquarters

During the Continuation War the Finns began developing personnel carriers based on the chassis of the war booty BT-7 tanks. The war ended before sufficient data was collected on the experiments to warrant conclusions.

In their United Nations peacekeeping missions the Finns received equipment that the UN had hired from Great Britain, including Ferret armoured vehicles. Great Britain offered these vehicles to Finland at 9000 pounds a piece, but their production was then about to end, and they were not obtained for Finland.

The procurement of a modern armoured personnel carrier was acknowledged topical on the grounds of the UN experiences. By the requirements prepared by the Defence Staff, the armoured vehicle had to be completely domestic production and based on the technology used in the diesel engine of the Valmet 1100 tractor. The speed of 30 km/h was considered sufficient.

The Vammaskoski factory, owned by the Ministry of Defence, took measures to plan the armoured vehicle. The factory’s own planning capacity was already taken up by the planning of tractor excavators and motor graders, so the factory hired a private engineering firm from Keuruu to plan the vehicle. One of the nicknames for the armoured vehicle, “the UN Master Sergeant”, is based on the production of the Vammaskoski factory, as it was considered to fall between the tractor excavator named Sergeant and another named Major.

In the experimental stages several problems were recognized in it, the greatest of which were the insufficient performance (115 hp) and the distribution of weight (1:2 between the front axle and the rear bogie), which was problematic for steering and terrain mobility. The Defence Forces had acquired experience on the Soviet BTR-60 APC’s that had been obtained for the Armoured Brigade, and to which the domestic novelty was compared. The petrol engine of the BTR-60 was seen as its disadvantage, but for other aspects the domestic product was inferior. There were problems among others in its communications equipment, doors, placement of the crew, and especially in terrain mobility. The maximum speed of the vehicle on road was measured as 27 km/h.

The vehicle of the Vammaskoski factory that ended up with the name VK was commissioned to the use of the Defence Forces in 1977. It was first used in the Armoured Brigade at Parolannummi and then in the Karelia Brigade at Vekaranjärvi. It logged a total of 1 060 hours of operation, until the vehicle was finally handed over to the Armour Museum in 1987.

It was a question of the first concrete experiment to produce a Finnish armoured personnel carrier. As such, the VK was unsuitable for either peacekeeping troops or the Defence Forces.

However, the Vammaskoski factory designed plans for eight different versions of the VK:
- an unarmed personnel carrier (with gun ports for crew weapons)
- a fire-fighting vehicle with a water gun turret
- a carrier vehicle armed with a 7,62 mm machine gun
- a reconnaissance vehicle with a 14,5 mm machine gun turret
- an anti-aircraft vehicle (with a twin-barrel 23 AA cannon in the turret)
- an anti-tank vehicle (with two 95 mm heavy recoilless rifles on the sides of the turret)
- a combat engineer vehicle (with a front loader and a lift boom with basket)
- a repair and tow vehicle (a lift boom and compartment for engine repair )

In the Defence Forces, the 1980’s were defined as the decade for developing the ground forces. Due to this, in 1979 preparations were made for the acquisition of an APC. The Defence Forces requested development from four Finnish industrial enterprises: Lokomo Oy, Sisu Oy, Valmet Oy, and the Vammaskoski factory. Lokomo Oy considered itself unable to answer the request. Sisu Oy and Valmet Oy responded by building concrete armoured vehicles: the Valmet 1912-6 and the Sisu XA-180. The Vammaskoski factory made initial plans of a VK2, but lacked sufficient planning capacity to materialize the plans. The Defence Forces ended up selecting the APC of Sisu Oy, today known as the Pasi.

[Ardavia]

Which one is it?

Vammaskosken VK

Ah.

Pasi XA-180 APC best APC

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

If anyone is familiar with ARMA 3 what do you think of the AGL + HMG RWS?

[Inquilabstan]

Bump

Right. WIP here. Allah's praise be upon the good warriors of JG who have lent to me, their armored vehicles.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2drgjl0.jpg
So, this is the basic mechanized infantry company, with two mor of its type, a heavy weapons company, and a support and administration company. My question is, should I have a pair of Nona sp mortars with the infantry company, and if there would be anything to add.

[Immoren]

Vammaskosken VK

Ah.

Pasi XA-180 APC best APC

Did you notice my edited post?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

[Infantry Question] What sort of IFVs do people use? [/infantry question]

Boxer GTKs for the two mechanized battalions
ATF Dingos for the six motorized battalions
and
Wiesel 2s for the airborne battalion.

[Immoren]

Bump

Right. WIP here. Allah's praise be upon the good warriors of JG who have lent to me, their armored vehicles.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2drgjl0.jpg
So, this is the basic mechanized infantry company, with two mor of its type, a heavy weapons company, and a support and administration company. My question is, should I have a pair of Nona sp mortars with the infantry company, and if there would be anything to add.

Is there possibilty for larger/more zoomable pic?

[Ardavia]

Ah.

Pasi XA-180 APC best APC

Did you notice my edited post?

Yes. Yes I did. Interesting read.

[Inquilabstan]

Is there possibilty for larger/more zoomable pic?

Best I can do so far.

[United states of brazilian nations]

A tank battle on a free way? that would be epic for a last push into a city...

"Sir! The Soviet advance has been stalled, just outside of London!"
"What did it, Sergeant? The Guards Division? The RAF? The Royal Tank Regiment?"
"No, the M25 gridlock!"

this is sig-worthy.

based on this, invading São Paulo would be impossible... there are so many gridlocks in São Paulo that tanks wouldn't be able to pass.

[3 State Alliance]

So I hit PMG, and messed with a .30 carbine AK - thoughts?

[Ardavia]

So I hit PMG, and messed with a .30 carbine AK - thoughts?

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Cool. It has a severe lack of sexy wooden furniture though.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

From what I've seen, belts or linkless feed systems will work with (close to) 90 degree turns?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The CVR (T) is probably the lightest tracked vehicle that I know of that fulfills the roles it does. A pretty neat little vehicle indeed. I think it's marginally larger than a Wiesel 2, no?

Actually about twice the weight of Wiesel AWC's, in other news if you were interested in CVR(T)'s look up Alvis Stormer.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

The CVR (T) is probably the lightest tracked vehicle that I know of that fulfills the roles it does. A pretty neat little vehicle indeed. I think it's marginally larger than a Wiesel 2, no?

Actually about twice the weight of Wiesel AWC's, in other news if you were interested in CVR(T)'s look up Alvis Stormer.

If I'm not mistaken the weight given on Wikipedia (if that's your source) is for Wiesel 1s, no?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Actually about twice the weight of Wiesel AWC's, in other news if you were interested in CVR(T)'s look up Alvis Stormer.

If I'm not mistaken the weight given on Wikipedia (if that's your source) is for Wiesel 1s, no?

Actually no. Gefechtsmasse, that is combat mass (quite literally) is listed at 4.1 tons. Empty at 2.6 tons. CVR(T)'s generally weigh around 8 tons.

[Immoren]

So I hit PMG, and messed with a .30 carbine AK - thoughts?

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Actually I am not anymore sure if .30 has enough "oomph" to move unmodified AK action. Bolt carrier+operating rod is heavy piece after all.

[Inquilabstan]

So I hit PMG, and messed with a .30 carbine AK - thoughts?

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Perhaps it is just me, but the sights are a bit iffy.