NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4

by **Questers** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:29 pm

Questers refers to tanks as cavalry formations, by the way.

1st Cavalry Division '1st HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
3rd Guards Cavalry Division 'HUSSAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
4th Guards Yeomanry Division '4/10TH HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
7th Cavalry Division '7th HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3)
9th Yeomanry Division '9TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
11th Yeomanry Division '11TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
12th Cavalry Division '12th HOBELARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
17th Guards Cavalry Division '17th HOBELAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
19th Cavalry Division '19th DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
21st Guards Cavalry Division 'DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
25th Cavalry Division '25th CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
30th Guards Cavalry Division 'SAFFASHIRE DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
42nd Cavalry Division '42nd CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
44th Guards Yeomanry Division 'SOFTHAM HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
57th Yeomanry Division 'RED BANNER HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
83rd Guards Cavalry Division 'LANCER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
89th Guards Cavalry Division 'CUIRASSIER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
107th Cavalry Division 'LIGHT DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
113th Cavalry Division '113th LANCERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
133rd Guards Cavalry Division '133rd LANCERS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:31 pm

Thassa lotta armor.

by **Ea90** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:33 pm

Krazakistan wrote:Thassa lotta armor.

20 Armoured Divisions is not that much for NS.

by **Questers** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:42 pm

Questers is a popcap country, it doesn't have 21 billion people, so it is a lot tbf.

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:43 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:Thassa lotta armor.

20 Armoured Divisions is not that much for NS.

Yeah, you got a point.

I have a question about the designations of units, or more specifically, the designation of divisions.

Say a nation has 26 currently active infantry divisions, but only a few of them would be named the ' *number less than or equal to 26* infantry division' but a few of them may be called the ' * number >26* infantry division'

Why is that?

EDIT: Sorry, I mean 26 infantry divisions in total.

by **Ea90** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:47 pm

Questers wrote:Questers is a popcap country, it doesn't have 21 billion people, so it is a lot tbf.

Fair enough; I would popcap, but everyone else in my region (mainly those I'm likely to fight) doesn't.

by **Spirit of Hope** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:49 pm

Krazakistan wrote:
Ea90 wrote:20 Armoured Divisions is not that much for NS.

Yeah, you got a point.

I have a question about the designations of units, or more specifically, the designation of divisions.

Say a nation has 26 currently active infantry divisions, but only a few of them would be named the ' *number less than or equal to 26* infantry division' but a few of them may be called the ' * number >26* infantry division'

Why is that?

EDIT: Sorry, I mean 26 infantry divisions in total.

Depends on tradition. Say you had 50 divisions during a time of war, and division 36 did some really awesome stuff, so you keep it around and get rid of division 12 which did jack during the
War.

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:Yeah, you got a point.

I have a question about the designations of units, or more specifically, the designation of divisions.

Say a nation has 26 currently active infantry divisions, but only a few of them would be named the ' *number less than or equal to 26* infantry division' but a few of them may be called the ' * number >26* infantry division'

Why is that?

EDIT: Sorry, I mean 26 infantry divisions in total.

Depends on tradition. Say you had 50 divisions during a time of war, and division 36 did some really awesome stuff, so you keep it around and get rid of division 12 which did jack during the
War.

Oh I see. And if you were to create another division, would it take up a new name, like division 51, or would it take the name of an old one, like division 12?

I'm guessing you could probably do both, so I guess I answered my own question.

by **Spirit of Hope** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:07 pm

Krazakistan wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Depends on tradition. Say you had 50 divisions during a time of war, and division 36 did some really awesome stuff, so you keep it around and get rid of division 12 which did jack during the
War.

Oh I see. And if you were to create another division, would it take up a new name, like division 51, or would it take the name of an old one, like division 12?

I'm guessing you could probably do both, so I guess I answered my own question.

Usually you reactivate division 12, because you have flags and patches and all that random stuff for them already sitting around.

However sometimes it makes sense to not reactivate a division and just make a new one. Say the old one has a history of doing badly and is "cursed" or has a history that for political reasons you don't want to bring back, like war crimes or something.

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:19 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:
Oh I see. And if you were to create another division, would it take up a new name, like division 51, or would it take the name of an old one, like division 12?

I'm guessing you could probably do both, so I guess I answered my own question.

Usually you reactivate division 12, because you have flags and patches and all that random stuff for them already sitting around.

However sometimes it makes sense to not reactivate a division and just make a new one. Say the old one has a history of doing badly and is "cursed" or has a history that for political reasons you don't want to bring back, like war crimes or something.

Thanks for the answer, now back to the tedious task of number crunching a TO/E.

by **Oaledonia** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:00 pm

What's a good frigate to carrier ratio?

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:01 pm

Oaledonia wrote:What's a good frigate to carrier ratio?

Depends. What's their role? AAW, ASW?

by **Oaledonia** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:04 pm

Krazakistan wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:What's a good frigate to carrier ratio?

Depends. What's their role? AAW, ASW?

I was hoping you could tell me both

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:13 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:
Depends. What's their role? AAW, ASW?

I was hoping you could tell me both

Still depends on a couple things. Are the frigates multirole? Do they use VLS or a different system, i.e. mark 26? Is there a lot of enemy sub activity in the area? Is enemy air attack expected?

by **Oaledonia** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:34 pm

Krazakistan wrote:Still depends on a couple things. Are the frigates multirole?

Yes

Do they use VLS or a different system, i.e. mark 26?

Yes

Is there a lot of enemy sub activity in the area?

Moderate

Is enemy air attack expected?

Heavy

by **The Akasha Colony** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:50 pm

Oaledonia wrote:What's a good frigate to carrier ratio?

It depends on the capability of the frigates and whether other escorts are expected to be present. If your carrier has nothing but frigates, you'd need probably a half-dozen. If it has others (cruisers or destroyers), obviously some of the burden could be pushed onto these ships so you'd need only a couple. It's really a matter of doctrine and budget. No modern carrier battlegroup at sea has ever come under real sustained attack by a symmetrical enemy force IRL, so the best we have are models and estimations which even then are constrained by something a bit more concrete: budget.

by **Oaledonia** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:56 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:What's a good frigate to carrier ratio?

It depends on the capability of the frigates and whether other escorts are expected to be present. If your carrier has nothing but frigates, you'd need probably a half-dozen. If it has others (cruisers or destroyers), obviously some of the burden could be pushed onto these ships so you'd need only a couple. It's really a matter of doctrine and budget. No modern carrier battlegroup at sea has ever come under real sustained attack by a symmetrical enemy force IRL, so the best we have are models and estimations which even then are constrained by something a bit more concrete: budget.

Alright then, so at first base it on Budget, then trial-and-error?

by **Krazakistan** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:03 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:Still depends on a couple things. Are the frigates multirole?

Yes

Do they use VLS or a different system, i.e. mark 26?

Yes

Is there a lot of enemy sub activity in the area?

Moderate

Is enemy air attack expected?

Heavy

Then I'd say what Akasha said, half a dozen, at least.

by **Galla-** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:05 pm

Questers wrote:Questers refers to tanks as cavalry formations, by the way.

1st Cavalry Division '1st HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
3rd Guards Cavalry Division 'HUSSAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
4th Guards Yeomanry Division '4/10TH HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
7th Cavalry Division '7th HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3)
9th Yeomanry Division '9TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
11th Yeomanry Division '11TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
12th Cavalry Division '12th HOBELARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
17th Guards Cavalry Division '17th HOBELAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
19th Cavalry Division '19th DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
21st Guards Cavalry Division 'DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
25th Cavalry Division '25th CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
30th Guards Cavalry Division 'SAFFASHIRE DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
42nd Cavalry Division '42nd CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
44th Guards Yeomanry Division 'SOFTHAM HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
57th Yeomanry Division 'RED BANNER HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
83rd Guards Cavalry Division 'LANCER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
89th Guards Cavalry Division 'CUIRASSIER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
107th Cavalry Division 'LIGHT DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
113th Cavalry Division '113th LANCERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
133rd Guards Cavalry Division '133rd LANCERS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)

>Divisions

ial outdated formations

real armies just have brigades

by **Rich and Corporations** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:51 pm

Galla- wrote:
Questers wrote:Questers refers to tanks as cavalry formations, by the way.

1st Cavalry Division '1st HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
3rd Guards Cavalry Division 'HUSSAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
4th Guards Yeomanry Division '4/10TH HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
7th Cavalry Division '7th HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3)
9th Yeomanry Division '9TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
11th Yeomanry Division '11TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
12th Cavalry Division '12th HOBELARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
17th Guards Cavalry Division '17th HOBELAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
19th Cavalry Division '19th DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
21st Guards Cavalry Division 'DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
25th Cavalry Division '25th CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
30th Guards Cavalry Division 'SAFFASHIRE DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
42nd Cavalry Division '42nd CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
44th Guards Yeomanry Division 'SOFTHAM HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
57th Yeomanry Division 'RED BANNER HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
83rd Guards Cavalry Division 'LANCER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
89th Guards Cavalry Division 'CUIRASSIER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
107th Cavalry Division 'LIGHT DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
113th Cavalry Division '113th LANCERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
133rd Guards Cavalry Division '133rd LANCERS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)

>Divisions

ial outdated formations

real armies just have brigades

Not small enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regimental_combat_team

Ea90 wrote:
Questers wrote:Questers is a popcap country, it doesn't have 21 billion people, so it is a lot tbf.

Fair enough; I would popcap, but everyone else in my region (mainly those I'm likely to fight) doesn't.

Have two sets of militaries.
I do.

by **Allanea** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:03 pm

Galla- wrote:
Questers wrote:Questers refers to tanks as cavalry formations, by the way.

1st Cavalry Division '1st HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
3rd Guards Cavalry Division 'HUSSAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
4th Guards Yeomanry Division '4/10TH HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
7th Cavalry Division '7th HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3)
9th Yeomanry Division '9TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
11th Yeomanry Division '11TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
12th Cavalry Division '12th HOBELARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
17th Guards Cavalry Division '17th HOBELAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
19th Cavalry Division '19th DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
21st Guards Cavalry Division 'DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
25th Cavalry Division '25th CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
30th Guards Cavalry Division 'SAFFASHIRE DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
42nd Cavalry Division '42nd CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
44th Guards Yeomanry Division 'SOFTHAM HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
57th Yeomanry Division 'RED BANNER HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
83rd Guards Cavalry Division 'LANCER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
89th Guards Cavalry Division 'CUIRASSIER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
107th Cavalry Division 'LIGHT DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
113th Cavalry Division '113th LANCERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
133rd Guards Cavalry Division '133rd LANCERS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)

>Divisions

ial outdated formations

real armies just have brigades

What is outdated about divisions? Russia is now returning to them.

by **Galla-** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:08 pm

Allanea wrote:
Galla- wrote:
>Divisions

ial outdated formations

real armies just have brigades

What is outdated about divisions? Russia is now returning to them.

everything

Real Men only use brigades >:

ok well regiments

small army~

best army~

elan and esprit de corps is much higher now that you dont have to distribute it amongst millions of conscripts only a few tens of thousands

edit: and i like bct~

by **Triplebaconation** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:15 pm

isn't russia also returning to feudalism

by **Triplebaconation** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:58 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
It depends on the capability of the frigates and whether other escorts are expected to be present. If your carrier has nothing but frigates, you'd need probably a half-dozen. If it has others (cruisers or destroyers), obviously some of the burden could be pushed onto these ships so you'd need only a couple. It's really a matter of doctrine and budget. No modern carrier battlegroup at sea has ever come under real sustained attack by a symmetrical enemy force IRL, so the best we have are models and estimations which even then are constrained by something a bit more concrete: budget.

Alright then, so at first base it on Budget, then trial-and-error?

0:1 unless you're poor.

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:22 am

Questers wrote:Questers refers to tanks as cavalry formations, by the way.

1st Cavalry Division '1st HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
3rd Guards Cavalry Division 'HUSSAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
4th Guards Yeomanry Division '4/10TH HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
7th Cavalry Division '7th HUSSARS' (SA-21, SA-3)
9th Yeomanry Division '9TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
11th Yeomanry Division '11TH HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
12th Cavalry Division '12th HOBELARS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
17th Guards Cavalry Division '17th HOBELAR GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
19th Cavalry Division '19th DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
21st Guards Cavalry Division 'DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
25th Cavalry Division '25th CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
30th Guards Cavalry Division 'SAFFASHIRE DRAGOON GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
42nd Cavalry Division '42nd CUIRASSIERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
44th Guards Yeomanry Division 'SOFTHAM HORSE GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-7F, SA-3D)
57th Yeomanry Division 'RED BANNER HORSE' (SA-21, SA-7F, SA-3)
83rd Guards Cavalry Division 'LANCER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
89th Guards Cavalry Division 'CUIRASSIER GUARDS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)
107th Cavalry Division 'LIGHT DRAGOONS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
113th Cavalry Division '113th LANCERS' (SA-21, SA-3B)
133rd Guards Cavalry Division '133rd LANCERS' (SA-20RF, SA-3D)

I see your cav. I counter with ten Garde-Kavallerie-Truppendivisions and 20 line cavalry divisions (though I am in a restructuring).
But o.o Questers, doing eet like a real man, cuz "Panzerdivision" is of Nazi. <.<
What was your pop again? Oh, 233 million, and conscripted to an armed forces of five million. Shit Questers, you got a bigger force than Chinese pop'd me (4.45 million, granted it's a professional force).

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