Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[The Akasha Colony]

It probably wouldn't be too hard to develop a CV90 with ATGMs mounted on it...in any case, Wargame-wise I do frankly find the lack of ATGM to be quite a major downside to CV9040 which is rather pricey. Though it is pretty darned tough and still kills Pact MBTs handily from the sides and rear.

The moment you mentioned Wargame this came to my mind:

Which is funny since last time I was on the forums (which was right around when the game came out), people were BAWing real hard about how OP NATO Marder TD spam was, and that how there was no way to reliably counter it.

[Istevia]

The moment you mentioned Wargame this came to my mind:
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Which is funny since last time I was on the forums (which was right around when the game came out), people were BAWing real hard about how OP NATO Marder TD spam was, and that how there was no way to reliably counter it.

Clearly they just weren't utilizing their T-80U's that well . Speaking of which, I now want T80U's even if my M1A2's should realistically be better (especially considering that 2/3rds of my tanks are M60's turned into mini-Abrams).

[Rich and Corporations]

Which is funny since last time I was on the forums (which was right around when the game came out), people were BAWing real hard about how OP NATO Marder TD spam was, and that how there was no way to reliably counter it.

Clearly they just weren't utilizing their T-80U's that well . Speaking of which, I now want T80U's even if my M1A2's should realistically be better (especially considering that 2/3rds of my tanks are M60's turned into mini-Abrams).

No. The T80U is a match for the M1A2 with modern ERA packages.
Furthermore, the tank crew is more important then the tank itself. A skilled crew wins battles, regardless of the tank their in.

[Istevia]

Clearly they just weren't utilizing their T-80U's that well . Speaking of which, I now want T80U's even if my M1A2's should realistically be better (especially considering that 2/3rds of my tanks are M60's turned into mini-Abrams).

No. The T80U is a match for the M1A2 with modern ERA packages.
Furthermore, the tank crew is more important then the tank itself. A skilled crew wins battles, regardless of the tank their in.

True, though now I want to change all my tanks into T80U's.

[Sucrati]

Ground Vehicles

Bobcat LAV



Type: Light Assault Vehicle

Speed: 105 Km/Hr
Weight: 3 Tonnes

Length: 5 Meters
Width: 3 Meters
Height: 2 Meters
Crew: 3 (Driver, Commander aka Shotgun, and Gunner) 2 other passengers if need be
Primary Armament: 1 MG4 Mounted Machine Gun; 1 Anti-Tank Missile Launcher
Engine: 8 Cyl. Fuel Cells 6.2 L (Bio-Diesel/Electric Hybrid)
Suspension: Veri Independent Suspension System
Fuel capacity: 120 Litres of Bio-Diesel
Operational Range: 800 Km

Goliath HBT



Type: Heavy Assault Tank/Heavy Battle Tank

Speed: 60 Km/Hr
Weight: 98 Tonnes

Gun forward length: 12 Meters
Hull length: 12 Meters
Width: 8 Meters
Height: 6 Meters
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor: Titano-Ferric Armor Plating (Titanium-Iron Composite)
Primary armament: 1 150 mm M85 rifled cannon
Secondary: 1 MG4 Mounted Machine Gun/1 Anti-Air (6 pod) Missile Launcher
Engine: Freti-Industries ARI-22280 Multi-Fuel Turbine Engine 2,000 hp (1,471 kW)
Power/weight: 24.5 hp/metric ton
Transmission: Bellit 12140-3X
Suspension: Bellit 34452-2I
Ground clearance: 2.0 Meters
Fuel capacity: 4,500 litres
Operational range: 675 Km

Viper LBT



Type: Light Assault Tank/Light Battle Tank

Speed: 90 Km/Hr
Weight: 50 Tonnes

Gun forward length: 8 Meters
Hull length: 6 Meters
Width: 4 Meters
Height: 3 Meters
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor: Titano-Ferric Armor Plating (Titanium-Iron Composite)
Primary armament: 1 120 mm M82 rifled cannon
Secondary: 1 MG4 Mounted Machine Gun/1 Anti-Air (6 pod) Missile Luncher
Engine: Freti-Industries ARI-22109 Multi-Fuel Turbine Engine 1,500 hp (1,119 kW)
Power/weight: 24.5 hp/metric ton
Transmission: Bellit 12140-3X
Suspension: Bellit 34452-2I
Ground clearance: 3.5 Meters
Fuel capacity: 3,500 litres
Operational range: 750 Km

Plus...

M3 Bradleys IFVs
Stryker APCs
LAV 25 APCs
M113 APCs
AAV-7A1 AMTRAC APCs

I posted the first three as detailed lists because the remaining ground vehicles are real-life vehicles and the first three aren't.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

No. The T80U is a match for the M1A2 with modern ERA packages.
Furthermore, the tank crew is more important then the tank itself. A skilled crew wins battles, regardless of the tank their in.

True, though now I want to change all my tanks into T80U's.

why not T-90?

[Istevia]

True, though now I want to change all my tanks into T80U's.

why not T-90?

Because they weren't in Wargame EE or AirLand Battle

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

why not T-90?

Because they weren't in Wargame EE or AirLand Battle

wait, are we talking about wargame decks or NS equipment?

[Anemos Major]

I think I might make a technology demonstrator for the low profile turret I'll be using on my 25-40t chassis on the base HT9A7 design. Either that, or I'll just draw the chassis

(and yes, my French book did arrive, and it had this one ridiculous but fascinating proposal which I really, really want to toy with)

[Imperializt Russia]

I like the BTR-80 for its wide range of options, and I've always been a sucker for the MOWAG Piranha and its derivatives. Other than that, I was mostly thinking about tracked APCs/IFVs like the BMP-2M, BMP-3, Puma, etc. Honestly, the wheeled APCs I've listed are all basically comparable to the BTR-90, and you could use the BTR-90 in the full range of roles with minor modifications. I'm just lazy and don't want to describe a fictional ambulance or mortar carrying BTR-90

Yeah, I was going to have a Tracked IFV alongside the BTR, preferably the BMP-3 or M2 Bradley, and so far, from searching on the internet, I still can't find anything about whether .50 BMG or 12.7mm is better.

.50 BMG and 12.7x108mm Russian are basically identical.

The Russian cartridge is slightly hotter than BMG if memory serves, but BMG is commonly loaded as hot or hotter and probably has more ammunition options.

The Russians would have happily removed all BTR vehicles from their inventory if they could have afforded to. Two BTR regiments were a cheaper way of mechanising a force than three full regiments of BMP vehicles.

Is it possible to swap the M240's and M2's on an Abrams with PKT's and Kords?

But it can fire guided AA rounds on full auto.

I'd think you could replace them like that, yes.

I don't know, the fact that only 6 people can be carried in it is kind of a problem (or at least in the cv9040c variant), and the BMP 3 has that cool 100mm gun that can fire ATGM's

The M2 could be decently easily switched for a Kord, but I'm uncertain about the M240 for a PK, especially a PKT. The Abrams coaxial is wedged right up against the gun barrel, and it's a fairly conventional M240G model, the PKT is a specialist under-armour weapon. The M240 is also left-feeding and the PK is right-feeding which would make mounting it complex at best.

It probably wouldn't be too hard to develop a CV90 with ATGMs mounted on it...in any case, Wargame-wise I do frankly find the lack of ATGM to be quite a major downside to CV9040 which is rather pricey. Though it is pretty darned tough and still kills Pact MBTs handily from the sides and rear.

The moment you mentioned Wargame this came to my mind:

I've never played EE, but I've heard the stories, and that gif is magnificent.

True, though now I want to change all my tanks into T80U's.

why not T-90?

Because the T-80 chassis is arguably superior.
The T-90 is a T-72 chassis with a T-80 turret (and thus gun and autoloader and the T-64/80 ammunition type) and engine, plus aftermarket parts.

[Anemos Major]

The Abrams coaxial is wedged right up against the gun barrel, and it's a fairly conventional M240G model

(M240C, incidentally, which is also a specialist under-armour model)

(E: at least, I *think* so)

Because the T-80 chassis is arguably superior.
The T-90 is a T-72 chassis with a T-80 turret (and thus gun and autoloader and the T-64/80 ammunition type) and engine, plus aftermarket parts.

And yehap, pretty much. You can upgrade the T-72 to a certain extent (bearing in mind that the -90 was to be labelled -72BU before the whole Chechnya fiasco), but the T-80's chassis can fit and do most things the -72 can do and more. That said, it's not too considerable a margin of difference, especially now that they share the same main armament unlike the -55 and -62~64/people have started to toy with bustle autoloaders on modifications for Soviet Bloc tanks.

That said, going the Ukrainian way and refitting the T-80U with a diesel might be an idea (alternately, with a more efficient turbine) - even with the T-80U, they'd patched up the reliability problems a fair bit since the initial T-80 but it wasn't exactly an efficient engine. The T-84 manages with an OP diesel that allows it to comfortably match the T-80 series' turbine engines, and there's nothing stopping you from doing the same.

[Imperializt Russia]

I know that Abrams did have an under-armour M240 variant, but I'm also positive that a number of tanks, for whatever reason, have the G variant installed for their coaxial instead.

[Aqizithiuda]

Yeah, I was going to have a Tracked IFV alongside the BTR, preferably the BMP-3 or M2 Bradley, and so far, from searching on the internet, I still can't find anything about whether .50 BMG or 12.7mm is better.

.50 BMG and 12.7x108mm Russian are basically identical.

The Russian cartridge is slightly hotter than BMG if memory serves, but BMG is commonly loaded as hot or hotter and probably has more ammunition options.

The Russians would have happily removed all BTR vehicles from their inventory if they could have afforded to. Two BTR regiments were a cheaper way of mechanising a force than three full regiments of BMP vehicles.

I don't know, the fact that only 6 people can be carried in it is kind of a problem (or at least in the cv9040c variant), and the BMP 3 has that cool 100mm gun that can fire ATGM's

The M2 could be decently easily switched for a Kord, but I'm uncertain about the M240 for a PK, especially a PKT. The Abrams coaxial is wedged right up against the gun barrel, and it's a fairly conventional M240G model, the PKT is a specialist under-armour weapon. The M240 is also left-feeding and the PK is right-feeding which would make mounting it complex at best.

The moment you mentioned Wargame this came to my mind:

I've never played EE, but I've heard the stories, and that gif is magnificent.

why not T-90?

Because the T-80 chassis is arguably superior.
The T-90 is a T-72 chassis with a T-80 turret (and thus gun and autoloader and the T-64/80 ammunition type) and engine, plus aftermarket parts.

The 12.7x108mm has about 50 grains more case capacity, but the BMG appears to operate at higher pressures. Projectile-wise, they both have roughly the same range of projectile types, although it's harder to find info about them on the web. In any case, projectiles from one could most likely be used in the other.

[Imperializt Russia]

The designs, yes, but not the bullets themselves. One bullet is about a hundredth of an inch fatter than the other.

[Stahn]

Hexapoda Zombie Slasher Mark I:



We have added a helicoptor rotor and blades and a fuel efficient turboshaft 170 hp engine to our Hexapodas. We have used parts that were readily available.

The helicopter parts come from the new line of Stahnese Anti Submarine Helicopter of which we don't expect to find much use in the future anyway.

The engine comes from the new line of ultraweight observatory and training one man helicopters.

With a few simple conversions the parts can be mounted together, creating a hopefully effective way of dealing with zombies.

The Stahnese Office of Zombie Affairs and the Stahnese Military High Command have informed me they can convert 980 Hexapoda's into this vehicle before the zombie outbreak is expected to start.

[Aqizithiuda]

The designs, yes, but not the bullets themselves. One bullet is about a hundredth of an inch fatter than the other.

My apologies. BMG bullets should be able to be used in 12.7x108mm rounds without any modification to the chamber or throat of the barrel, but the BMG might need some minor modification to the chamber and throat to prevent pressure spikes. However, I firmly believe that the 0.03mm diameter difference would be with manufacturing tolerances.

[Imperializt Russia]

The designs, yes, but not the bullets themselves. One bullet is about a hundredth of an inch fatter than the other.

My apologies. BMG bullets should be able to be used in 12.7x108mm rounds without any modification to the chamber or throat of the barrel, but the BMG might need some minor modification to the chamber and throat to prevent pressure spikes. However, I firmly believe that the 0.03mm diameter difference would be with manufacturing tolerances.

Within shootable tolerances? Possibly.
I'm not so sure that this is manufacturing tolerance area.

[Morganutopia]

Is the K2 a good option?

[Stahn]

A very fine tank but also very expensive. I would go with the Leopard 2 which is probably basically as effective as any other MBT out there and relatively cheap.

[Immoren]

It probably wouldn't be too hard to develop a CV90 with ATGMs mounted on it...in any case, Wargame-wise I do frankly find the lack of ATGM to be quite a major downside to CV9040 which is rather pricey. Though it is pretty darned tough and still kills Pact MBTs handily from the sides and rear.

There's but it's tank destroyer rather than IFV.

Is the K2 a good option?

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Yes, if you got the budget.

[Istevia]

Should I switch my M60 2000's and M1A2's for T-80's? All this talk about them is making me want them more.

[Czechovelkov]

This is probably off-topic, but I remember some of you guys said you play World of Tanks? I started playing it recently and I'd just like some advise on what tanks to get..

Thanks!

[Registug]

World of Tanks thread

[The Akasha Colony]

Should I switch my M60 2000's and M1A2's for T-80's? All this talk about them is making me want them more.

That's a matter of doctrine and personal choice, so we can't really advise on the matter.

[Allanea]

Should I switch my M60 2000's and M1A2's for T-80's? All this talk about them is making me want them more.

Why not T-90 or T-95?