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by Cartinia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:00 am
by Anemos Major » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:03 am
Cartinia wrote:The MBT of the Cartinian army is the MWT- 201, the "Hammer". Despite its impressive display of treads and wheels to propel it, it is a remarkably slow vehicle, as the speed granted by the motor is offset by the massive plating it carries. The cannon barrel is extraordinaliry long, giving it long range. At maximum, it has the ability to decimate your average cabbage at 7 km, a little over tiwce the effective range of the M1-Abrahms.
Its polar oppisite, however, is the G-21 APC, the "JackRabbit". This Armoured Personel Carrier can hold 8 fully-armed BattleMages, or 4 full-armed Templars. To better explain to you its size, a Templar is about 3 feet wide at its narrowest point, with heavy armour and its primary weapons, namley the battle sword and Pulse Rifle. But I Digress. The "JackRabbit" is extra ordnailry fast, capable of reaching speeds of up to 175 mph.
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by Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:44 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:That sounds like rather incredible pace for such components.
by Anemos Major » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:11 am
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by Rich and Corporations » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:20 am
Anemos Major wrote:Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:
Tank powerpacks are designed for rapid removal and replacement. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Leclerc's autoloader was as well.
Unsurprisingly enough, the parts that take the longest amount of time to replace are the electronics (3h each for the CITV and the gunner's sighting block).
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by Anemos Major » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:39 am
Rich and Corporations wrote:Anemos Major wrote:
Unsurprisingly enough, the parts that take the longest amount of time to replace are the electronics (3h each for the CITV and the gunner's sighting block).
Where do you get these numbers from?
And I don't find it surprising at all, given the amount of cables setting up my Desktop involves.
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by The Akasha Colony » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:49 am
Anemos Major wrote:Apparently French engineers are trained to replace the Leclerc's powerpack in an hour and twenty minutes, and the entire autoloader in two and a half.
by Crookfur » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:28 pm
Anemos Major wrote:Rich and Corporations wrote:Where do you get these numbers from?
And I don't find it surprising at all, given the amount of cables setting up my Desktop involves.
The French Army? Their engineers did an open day a while ago at a base on the mainland, and I'm referring to photos from that event (corroborated with comments made by one of the design leads in the Leclerc project from GIAT).
by Anemos Major » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:30 pm
Crookfur wrote:looking at the pictures from the DNG/DCL article in this month's Military Machines it is clear how comparatively simple it is to change over a leclerc's power pack.
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by The Ashkenazi » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:35 pm
by Istevia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:55 pm
The Ashkenazi wrote:
If you have a bunch of M60s in service, then it's a decent option for modernizing your fleet of MBTs. If you don't, you're probably better served with a more modern design. Plus the Turks and Egyptians both turned down the upgrade package, which raises questions about cost effectiveness and the efficacy of the upgrade package, versus other possible upgrades. Personally, I like the Israeli Magach when it comes to upgraded M60s, despite the smaller gun.
by The Ashkenazi » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:02 pm
Istevia wrote:The Ashkenazi wrote:If you have a bunch of M60s in service, then it's a decent option for modernizing your fleet of MBTs. If you don't, you're probably better served with a more modern design. Plus the Turks and Egyptians both turned down the upgrade package, which raises questions about cost effectiveness and the efficacy of the upgrade package, versus other possible upgrades. Personally, I like the Israeli Magach when it comes to upgraded M60s, despite the smaller gun.
Having looked up the Magach, I'm now torn between the Magach or the M60 2000. Also, if you're wondering, I'm essentially having around 2/3 of all my tanks be Modernized M60's, with the rest all being Leopard 2A6's/M1A2's (having trouble deciding between these two as well).
by Istevia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:11 pm
The Ashkenazi wrote:Istevia wrote:Having looked up the Magach, I'm now torn between the Magach or the M60 2000. Also, if you're wondering, I'm essentially having around 2/3 of all my tanks be Modernized M60's, with the rest all being Leopard 2A6's/M1A2's (having trouble deciding between these two as well).
If the rest of your tank force is going to be rocking 120mm smoothbores, I would suggest you consider the M60 2000 because you will have ammunition commonality, which is a big plus as far as your quartermaster is concerned. In that same vein, a combination of M1A2s and M60-2000s will be nice, because of the common turret.
by The Ashkenazi » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:07 pm
Istevia wrote:The Ashkenazi wrote:If the rest of your tank force is going to be rocking 120mm smoothbores, I would suggest you consider the M60 2000 because you will have ammunition commonality, which is a big plus as far as your quartermaster is concerned. In that same vein, a combination of M1A2s and M60-2000s will be nice, because of the common turret.
Sounds good, also, would it be a good Idea to have BTR-90's as APCS? They seem to be pretty good, even if the Russians didn't bother buying them.
by Istevia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:34 pm
The Ashkenazi wrote:Istevia wrote:Sounds good, also, would it be a good Idea to have BTR-90's as APCS? They seem to be pretty good, even if the Russians didn't bother buying them.
It's not a half bad APC, although there are probably better ones out there. And it is used by the MVD. But if you do, remember to decide on a common HMG and GPMG round - either .50 BMG and 7.62x51 NATO, or 12.7mm and 7.62x54R - and refit your vehicles accordingly.
by The Ashkenazi » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:45 pm
Istevia wrote:The Ashkenazi wrote:It's not a half bad APC, although there are probably better ones out there. And it is used by the MVD. But if you do, remember to decide on a common HMG and GPMG round - either .50 BMG and 7.62x51 NATO, or 12.7mm and 7.62x54R - and refit your vehicles accordingly.
Yeah, this is a tough one here, It'll probably take me a while to finally see whether I go with the NATO or Russian rounds. Also, do you have any examples of better APC's?
by Istevia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:59 pm
The Ashkenazi wrote:Istevia wrote:Yeah, this is a tough one here, It'll probably take me a while to finally see whether I go with the NATO or Russian rounds. Also, do you have any examples of better APC's?
I like the BTR-80 for its wide range of options, and I've always been a sucker for the MOWAG Piranha and its derivatives. Other than that, I was mostly thinking about tracked APCs/IFVs like the BMP-2M, BMP-3, Puma, etc. Honestly, the wheeled APCs I've listed are all basically comparable to the BTR-90, and you could use the BTR-90 in the full range of roles with minor modifications. I'm just lazy and don't want to describe a fictional ambulance or mortar carrying BTR-90
by Immoren » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:15 pm
Istevia wrote: preferably the BMP-3 or M2 Bradley,
Istevia wrote:and so far, from searching on the internet, I still can't find anything about whether .50 BMG or 12.7mm is better.
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by Istevia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:26 pm
[/quote]It's basically which you prefer. .50bmg and 12.7×108mm are almost indentical in performance. IIRC.
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by Istevia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:48 pm
But it can fire guided AA rounds on full auto.
I'd think you could replace them like that, yes.
by Anacasppia » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:56 pm
Anemos Major wrote:Forty-five men, thirty four tons, one crew cabin... anything could happen.
Mmm... it's getting hot in here.
by Istevia » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:04 am
Anacasppia wrote:It probably wouldn't be too hard to develop a CV90 with ATGMs mounted on it...in any case, Wargame-wise I do frankly find the lack of ATGM to be quite a major downside to CV9040 which is rather pricey. Though it is pretty darned tough and still kills Pact MBTs handily from the sides and rear.
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