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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:25 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Mozria wrote:Why use split-tracks at all? Their only benefit is increased terrain-conformation ability while cresting hills or navigating uneven ground, and then this "advantage" is negated by increased ground pressure and reliability issues. Also, external track pods are significantly more difficult to armor effectively, as well as requiring a complex force-transfer system to operate while the unit is changing elevation and depression to hug the ground.

The T95 used four tracks, the extra pair was removed for rail transport.
So there are benefits.

There are benefits in the T95's layout.
Not at all in the layout that traipses through here.
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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:33 pm

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Non parlo inferiorità.

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Relevant to the thread.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:56 pm

Mozria wrote:Why use split-tracks at all? Their only benefit is increased terrain-conformation ability while cresting hills or navigating uneven ground, and then this "advantage" is negated by increased ground pressure and reliability issues. Also, external track pods are significantly more difficult to armor effectively, as well as requiring a complex force-transfer system to operate while the unit is changing elevation and depression to hug the ground.


They look sexy, And Mine I use simply for redundancy, so if you lose 1 track you are not fucked, you still have at least 1 on that side.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:57 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Mozria wrote:Why use split-tracks at all? Their only benefit is increased terrain-conformation ability while cresting hills or navigating uneven ground, and then this "advantage" is negated by increased ground pressure and reliability issues. Also, external track pods are significantly more difficult to armor effectively, as well as requiring a complex force-transfer system to operate while the unit is changing elevation and depression to hug the ground.


They look sexy, And Mine I use simply for redundancy, so if you lose 1 track you are not fucked, you still have at least 1 on that side.

Short track the track that was hit by a mine.
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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:58 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Mozria wrote:Why use split-tracks at all? Their only benefit is increased terrain-conformation ability while cresting hills or navigating uneven ground, and then this "advantage" is negated by increased ground pressure and reliability issues. Also, external track pods are significantly more difficult to armor effectively, as well as requiring a complex force-transfer system to operate while the unit is changing elevation and depression to hug the ground.


They look sexy, And Mine I use simply for redundancy, so if you lose 1 track you are not fucked, you still have at least 1 on that side.

No, you're still fucked. There are probably lots of equations I could quote to you, but bottom line is, even if you try to put power through the remaining track, your tank is just going to do cute little circles on the battlefield.
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Postby Oaledonia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:01 pm

Orussia wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
They look sexy, And Mine I use simply for redundancy, so if you lose 1 track you are not fucked, you still have at least 1 on that side.

No, you're still fucked. There are probably lots of equations I could quote to you, but bottom line is, even if you try to put power through the remaining track, your tank is just going to do cute little circles on the battlefield.

Not to mention the added friction of dragging a useless track...
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:02 pm

Orussia wrote: even if you try to put power through the remaining track, your tank is just going to do cute little circles on the battlefield.

Your tankers do not know how to drive a tank apparently.
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Postby Oaledonia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:04 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Orussia wrote: even if you try to put power through the remaining track, your tank is just going to do cute little circles on the battlefield.

Your tankers do not know how to drive a tank apparently.

How about the strain on the engine? Or the friction increase?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:08 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Orussia wrote: even if you try to put power through the remaining track, your tank is just going to do cute little circles on the battlefield.

Your tankers do not know how to drive a tank apparently.

Implying that you have a single clue.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:23 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Orussia wrote:No, you're still fucked. There are probably lots of equations I could quote to you, but bottom line is, even if you try to put power through the remaining track, your tank is just going to do cute little circles on the battlefield.

Not to mention the added friction of dragging a useless track...


Which is still much better than being dead in the water, You would still be slow as shit, But you would be mobile, and why would you spin? Electric drive motor's can change their HP on a dime. Power up the fucked side and down the good.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:25 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Not to mention the added friction of dragging a useless track...


Which is still much better than being dead in the water, You would still be slow as shit, But you would be mobile, and why would you spin? Electric drive motor's can change their HP on a dime. Power up the fucked side and down the good.


Or you can operate like modern tanks and take R&C's suggestion of just short-tracking it. If you're barely mobile, you're still a target. And electric motors and their connectors are also rather heavy, especially now that you need four rather than two.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:26 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:Your tankers do not know how to drive a tank apparently.

How about the strain on the engine? Or the friction increase?


1 twin diesel, 4 Electric motors, the Diesel is a 1700 HP Motor scratch that probably close to 2000 due to the much hightened O2 content, if it has a lack of power something is severely wrong
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:27 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Which is still much better than being dead in the water, You would still be slow as shit, But you would be mobile, and why would you spin? Electric drive motor's can change their HP on a dime. Power up the fucked side and down the good.


Or you can operate like modern tanks and take R&C's suggestion of just short-tracking it. If you're barely mobile, you're still a target. And electric motors and their connectors are also rather heavy, especially now that you need four rather than two.


Yes, yes they are they are, SO I guess my 95-100 ton estimate wasn't wrong after all
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Yes, I Am infact Biop.


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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:32 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
Or you can operate like modern tanks and take R&C's suggestion of just short-tracking it. If you're barely mobile, you're still a target. And electric motors and their connectors are also rather heavy, especially now that you need four rather than two.


Yes, yes they are they are, SO I guess my 95-100 ton estimate wasn't wrong after all


So on the very sort of tank that needs the greatest possible contact area to keep ground pressure reasonable that is already barely maneuverable to begin with, you decide to ignore both of these issues and reduce contact area in order to preserve something it never had. You won't even need to hit a mine. This thing will take itself out.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:38 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Yes, yes they are they are, SO I guess my 95-100 ton estimate wasn't wrong after all


So on the very sort of tank that needs the greatest possible contact area to keep ground pressure reasonable that is already barely maneuverable to begin with, you decide to ignore both of these issues and reduce contact area in order to preserve something it never had. You won't even need to hit a mine. This thing will take itself out.


Wide tracks. It has just as much surface area as a tank with the same length total tracks. It's simple, that and most of Biop isn't dirt or sand but hard Ore. It's built for it's enviroment
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:41 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
So on the very sort of tank that needs the greatest possible contact area to keep ground pressure reasonable that is already barely maneuverable to begin with, you decide to ignore both of these issues and reduce contact area in order to preserve something it never had. You won't even need to hit a mine. This thing will take itself out.


Wide tracks. It has just as much surface area as a tank with the same length total tracks. It's simple, that and most of Biop isn't dirt or sand but hard Ore. It's built for it's enviroment


And instead you've increased the frontal area and reduced its ability to navigate in tighter confines. You don't just get to say 'I widened the tracks' without any trade-offs. Otherwise every tank IRL would have 900+ mm treads and ground pressure would not be an issue for designers to consider at all.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:45 pm

Wider tracks also increase rolling resistance.
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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:50 pm

*whistles happily and hugs his T-14*

Ya know, Biop, sometimes bigger isn't always better.
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Postby Kouralia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:53 pm

Orussia wrote:*whistles happily and hugs his T-14*

Ya know, Biop, sometimes bigger isn't always better.

*Hugs Kouralian AV-3/123*
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:18 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Orussia wrote:*whistles happily and hugs his T-14*

Ya know, Biop, sometimes bigger isn't always better.

*Hugs Kouralian AV-3/123*


*Not really sure how to hug a tank*

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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:22 pm

Anemos Major wrote:*Not really sure how to hug a tank*

Well, the barrel is definitely a huggable protrusion. I suppose you could try hugging the top of the turret?

Or just get a scale model and hug that. :P
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Postby Immoren » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:23 pm

I might be wrong in remembering, but weren't track width directly proportional to wear and tear to edges of track (at least when vehicle is turning),
Thus wider tracks=faster break down? :?

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Postby Ea90 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:24 pm

Do you have a link to your T-14, Orussia?

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Postby Kouralia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:26 pm

Ea90 wrote:Do you have a link to your T-14, Orussia?

I've got a pic of it.

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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:31 pm

Ea90 wrote:Do you have a link to your T-14, Orussia?

I have a general statblock, a .3dm model, and preliminary turret armoring composites.

T-14 Main Battle Tank Stats

Crew: 3 (Driver in hull, Commander and Gunner in turret)

Weight, Dry: 40 tons
Weight, Light: 47 tons
Weight, Combat: 50 tons
Weight, Maximum: 55 tons

Engine:

30-liter 6-cylinder
Opposed Piston Diesel
Twin-turbocharged
1750HP, derated to 1500HP

Transmission:

8-speed semi-automatic
6 speeds forward, 2 reverse

Performance:

Maximum Road Speed: 80 kmph
Maximum Off-road Speed: 40 kmph
Power/Weight Ratio: 30 hp/t
Onboard Fuel Range: 482 km
Extended Fuel Range: 1207 km
Traverse Speed: Up to 48 deg/s, with pivot capability

Armament:

Main Gun:
1x 122mm M13-T2/B L/56 smoothbore tank gun
APFSDS, HEAT-DT, HE-FRAG, GLATGM compatible
Bustle-mounted ammo magazine holding 48 rounds with mission varible loadout.
Autoloader takes between 3.5 and 6.5 seconds to reload the gun, based on type of round selected, its location within the rack, and the position of the gun.

Co-axial:
1x 12.7mm SA-1208HMG
1x 500 round case magazine mounted in front of the gunner's position
360 rounds per minute

Secondary:
1x 15.2mm SA-1522LAC heavy machine guns on RWS mount
1x 500 round belt magazine
240 rounds per minute


And my most frequently posted image of the T-14. I think I need more. :P
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