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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:49 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:Your tankers do not know how to drive a tank apparently.

Implying that you have a single clue.

Tanks don't even drive straight. I read some statistics about left-to-right drift on a dtic document.
In any case, the driver should be able to shift power from one sprocket to the other, appropriately, as the situation allows.
Kouralia wrote:I've got a pic of it.

Needs a 105mm dual-purpose gun.
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Postby Ea90 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:59 pm

Orussia wrote:
T-14 Main Battle Tank Stats

Crew: 3 (Driver in hull, Commander and Gunner in turret)

Weight, Dry: 40 tons
Weight, Light: 47 tons
Weight, Combat: 50 tons
Weight, Maximum: 55 tons

Engine:

30-liter 6-cylinder
Opposed Piston Diesel
Twin-turbocharged
1750HP, derated to 1500HP

Transmission:

8-speed semi-automatic
6 speeds forward, 2 reverse

Performance:

Maximum Road Speed: 80 kmph
Maximum Off-road Speed: 40 kmph
Power/Weight Ratio: 30 hp/t
Onboard Fuel Range: 482 km
Extended Fuel Range: 1207 km
Traverse Speed: Up to 48 deg/s, with pivot capability

Armament:

Main Gun:
1x 122mm M13-T2/B L/56 smoothbore tank gun
APFSDS, HEAT-DT, HE-FRAG, GLATGM compatible
Bustle-mounted ammo magazine holding 48 rounds with mission varible loadout.
Autoloader takes between 3.5 and 6.5 seconds to reload the gun, based on type of round selected, its location within the rack, and the position of the gun.

Co-axial:
1x 12.7mm SA-1208HMG
1x 500 round case magazine mounted in front of the gunner's position
360 rounds per minute

Secondary:
1x 15.2mm SA-1522LAC heavy machine guns on RWS mount
1x 500 round belt magazine
240 rounds per minute


And my most frequently posted image of the T-14. I think I need more. :P

Very nice.
Do you plan on offering it for export?

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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:Needs a 105mm dual-purpose gun.

Needs moar 105mm Howitzer M4.

Ea90 wrote:Very nice.
Do you plan on offering it for export?

Yes, the T-14 is tentatively available for export in two different variants.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:03 pm

Orussia wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:Needs a 105mm dual-purpose gun.

Needs moar 105mm Howitzer M4.

It's actually a pity the WoT T14 isn't buffed up somehow. Mounting a 76mm gun or a 105mm gun.
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Postby Ea90 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:04 pm

Orussia wrote:Yes, the T-14 is tentatively available for export in two different variants.

Nice.
So do you have a storefront or something?

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Postby Orussia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:06 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Orussia wrote:Yes, the T-14 is tentatively available for export in two different variants.

Nice.
So do you have a storefront or something?

Not anymore. There is one kicking around, but it's stupidly out of date. So I'm just going to start from scratch.
EDIT: Scratch that. It's recoverable. IS TIME TO DO WORKS.
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:06 pm

Orussia wrote:
Ea90 wrote:Nice.
So do you have a storefront or something?

Not anymore. There is one kicking around, but it's stupidly out of date. So I'm just going to start from scratch.
EDIT: Scratch that. It's recoverable. IS TIME TO DO WORKS.


Relevant.

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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:41 pm

Orussia wrote:
Ea90 wrote:Nice.
So do you have a storefront or something?

Not anymore. There is one kicking around, but it's stupidly out of date. So I'm just going to start from scratch.
EDIT: Scratch that. It's recoverable. IS TIME TO DO WORKS.

Let me know soon.

I am going to re establish popular committee militias thus I might be interested in those. :P

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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:30 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:Tanks don't even drive straight. I read some statistics about left-to-right drift on a dtic document.


This is not surprising. People cannot even walk in a straight line, how can you expect them to drive straight?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:56 pm

Orussia wrote:*whistles happily and hugs his T-14*

Ya know, Biop, sometimes bigger isn't always better.


You my good sir are 100% Correct, This is one of those times, It';s also one of those times where I said fuck it I'm using it cause I'm allowed a bit of fun
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:57 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:Tanks don't even drive straight. I read some statistics about left-to-right drift on a dtic document.


This is not surprising. People cannot even walk in a straight line, how can you expect them to drive straight?


YOu don't.
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Postby Lamoni » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:59 pm

Orussia wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Non parlo inferiorità.

:p

EDIT: (Ignore the derpery of my insufficient Russian.)

Relevant to the thread.


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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:18 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:YOu don't.


Neither do you, even if you don't realize it.

Walking straight is definitely possible but you need to actually make a conscious effort and have convenient landmarks to continuously orient yourself. But if you aren't thinking about it and correcting you'll weave.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:35 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:YOu don't.


Neither do you, even if you don't realize it.

Walking straight is definitely possible but you need to actually make a conscious effort and have convenient landmarks to continuously orient yourself. But if you aren't thinking about it and correcting you'll weave.

Actually your walking path will curve, since one leg is longer then the other.
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Postby Anacasppia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:44 pm

omg this is devolving into ns psychomotor realism thread

Anyways, does anyone know what makes for the BandKanon 1's high rate of fire? Could whatever it is be applied to a self-propelled, crew-under-armor gun?
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:47 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:Actually your walking path will curve, since one leg is longer then the other.


Like hands, legs have laterality. Legs are often slightly different lengths but this is unrelated (laterality comes from the brain, not the limb) and basically random, your favoured leg can actually be your shorter leg.

But what I mean is when you know where you are going. Like when you are walking down a sidewalk or a road. You will tend to travel in a generally straight line, but a gently meandering one.
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:54 pm

Anacasppia wrote:omg this is devolving into ns psychomotor realism thread

Anyways, does anyone know what makes for the BandKanon 1's high rate of fire? Could whatever it is be applied to a self-propelled, crew-under-armor gun?


It is a self-propelled gun, with crew under armor.

It has a high ROF because it had a very simple bustle autoloader that was fixed to the gun. The entire loading process consisted of cycling the round into line with the breech and ramming it in.
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Postby Anacasppia » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:50 pm

:0 Okay
Also, does anyone have any information on the French ACRA 142mm Gun-launcher?

Image
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Postby Registug » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:57 pm

does anyone know the differences in protection between cast armour and rolled?
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Postby Lamoni » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:10 am

Registug wrote:does anyone know the differences in protection between cast armour and rolled?


Sorry for the crappy formatting, but it's a straight copypasta:

***

From "Technology of Tanks" by Ogorkiewicz:

During the 1930s the use of cast armour also began to spread to hulls and in
particular to the hulls of French light tanks, such as the R-35 and H-35, which
were the first to be made out of large castings. In 1941 castings began to be used on a large scale for the production of hulls of the US M4 medium tanks and they were subsequently incorporated in the hulls of other tanks, such as the US M26 and
M46 medium tanks, the Soviet IS and British Chieftain, particularly in the form of
cast glacis. By the 1950s complete hulls began to be cast in one piece for the US
M48 tanks and hulls were similarly cast for the Swiss Pz.61 and Pz.68 tanks as
well as the US M60 and M103 tanks.

The chemical composition of cast armour has been much the same as that of
rolled armour plates but its quality is inherently more variable and the thickness of
castings can not be controlled as accurately as that of rolled plates, which requires
them to be somewhat thicker to allow for it. Castings are also at a disadvantage in
relation to plates because they are generally of complex shape and varying thickness and can not therefore, be given equally uniform heat treatment, which has an adverse effect on their ballistic properties. In consequence, cast armour needs to be about 5 per cent thicker than RHA for a given level of ballistic protection.

On the other hand, casting lends itself much more readily than fabrication from rolled plates to the production of the complex shapes of turrets and hull fronts. It
also facilitates an efficient distribution of armour, as well as allowing a reduction in the number of welded joints and in the preparation that goes with them. The
ultimate demonstration of this is provided by the turrets and the hulls which have
been cast in one piece. However, the size of the castings which they represent is apt to tax industrial resources.
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:11 am

Anacasppia wrote::0 Okay
Also, does anyone have any information on the French ACRA 142mm Gun-launcher?

(Image)


It wasn't really pursued that far as a project, but essentially they were trying to develop a 142mm gun-launcher intended to fire two munitions: a guided, high velocity (up to 450m/s) SACLOS missile and an anti-personnel explosive munition. The missile allegedly had a maximum range of 3.5-3.8km, and it carried a 6kg warhead.

Image

It was, by all means, a potent weapon, but after a few-hundred test firings they came to the conclusion that the missile was too expensive (compared to the HOT of the time, certainly) and that it's exclusively gun-launched nature made it a bit of an inefficient purchase (the ACRA was in the unfortunate position of being developed at the French were starting to take a serious look at the use of ATGMs on helicopter platforms). Bear in mind that this was by no means the French MBT-70 equivalent; at least not at this stage of the project...

Image

... it was a fair bit less sophisticated.

There was an AMX-10 variant of the ACRA launcher too:

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:32 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:
The Kievan People wrote:
Neither do you, even if you don't realize it.

Walking straight is definitely possible but you need to actually make a conscious effort and have convenient landmarks to continuously orient yourself. But if you aren't thinking about it and correcting you'll weave.

Actually your walking path will curve, since one leg is longer then the other.

Actually, you spiral almost randomly. Something like a 66ft circumference of each spiral.

Because we humans are imprecise and unpredictable, this 66ft spiral will migrate, slightly.
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Postby Registug » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:35 am

Lamoni wrote:
Registug wrote:does anyone know the differences in protection between cast armour and rolled?


Sorry for the crappy formatting, but it's a straight copypasta:

***

From "Technology of Tanks" by Ogorkiewicz:

During the 1930s the use of cast armour also began to spread to hulls and in
particular to the hulls of French light tanks, such as the R-35 and H-35, which
were the first to be made out of large castings. In 1941 castings began to be used on a large scale for the production of hulls of the US M4 medium tanks and they were subsequently incorporated in the hulls of other tanks, such as the US M26 and
M46 medium tanks, the Soviet IS and British Chieftain, particularly in the form of
cast glacis. By the 1950s complete hulls began to be cast in one piece for the US
M48 tanks and hulls were similarly cast for the Swiss Pz.61 and Pz.68 tanks as
well as the US M60 and M103 tanks.

The chemical composition of cast armour has been much the same as that of
rolled armour plates but its quality is inherently more variable and the thickness of
castings can not be controlled as accurately as that of rolled plates, which requires
them to be somewhat thicker to allow for it. Castings are also at a disadvantage in
relation to plates because they are generally of complex shape and varying thickness and can not therefore, be given equally uniform heat treatment, which has an adverse effect on their ballistic properties. In consequence, cast armour needs to be about 5 per cent thicker than RHA for a given level of ballistic protection.

On the other hand, casting lends itself much more readily than fabrication from rolled plates to the production of the complex shapes of turrets and hull fronts. It
also facilitates an efficient distribution of armour, as well as allowing a reduction in the number of welded joints and in the preparation that goes with them. The
ultimate demonstration of this is provided by the turrets and the hulls which have
been cast in one piece. However, the size of the castings which they represent is apt to tax industrial resources.

Thanks.

I've read that cast armour is softer. Is that related to the "adverse effect on ballistic properties" it says in your copy/paste?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:38 am

Presumably, yes. If you can't apply a "uniform heat treatment" (hardening) then in places, the armour will be "softer" than an equivalent protection RHA.
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Postby Registug » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:42 am

And because cast armour has to be thicker than RHA in order to get the same protection, I'm assuming that RHA is lighter overall?
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