Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[Sevvania]

The next installment of the series.

WW1 would be interesting.

It could be interesting to see how they decided to go about it, but from my understanding, soldiers during World War I tended to spend most of their time in a hole shooting at soldiers in another hole on the other side of No-Man's Land, occasionally coming up out of their holes to rush into oncoming MG fire.

Respawning in 5, 4, 3....

Edit: Zombie Defense Mauser

[The Republic of Lanos]

WW1 would be interesting.

It could be interesting to see how they decided to go about it, but from my understanding, soldiers during World War I tended to spend most of their time in a hole shooting at soldiers in another hole on the other side of No-Man's Land, occasionally coming up out of their holes to rush into oncoming MG fire.

Respawning in 5, 4, 3....

Fucking MG campers.

[San-Silvacian]

I think my new nation is going to be an Anglo-Saxon empire for the advancement of all white Anglo-Saxon men and women.

But instead of silly redneck white trash it shall be proper Englishmen.

SMLE ahoy.

[Nua Corda]

Just to give you an idea of the size of the thing;


There it is next to a normal No. 4 in 7x55mm Cordian

[Spreewerke]

MMW of Spreewerke from 1960-1978 (where it is then just updated with AK-74 gas block and other "modernization" features, used until 1981 when I develop a true AK-103-alike):



y/y?



STATISTICAL STATS:

The SFR-58/60 is an updated variant of the Puzikas-provided AKM (SFR-58). Upgrades include a full-profile, left-side folding wood stock utilizing a push-down,-rotate folding method as found on the real-life Galil/FAL/K2/etc. The pistol grip also features a metal ferrule cap for reinforcement, and also features a hard-chromed bolt-carrier group to protect against corrosion from ammunition utilizing salt-based primers. The gas tube features two gas ports (one on either side: image explained shortly), opposed to a ported gas block. Later, variants with receiver-mounted optic rails were developed (buttstock had appropriate slot cut for clearance when folded), as well. Also worth noting, this rifle features a flash suppressor opposed to a muzzle brake, and due to it being the same diameter as standard muzzle devices, the bayonet is still usable. Also, all furniture is wooden: upper handguard is just painted black to help distinguish it from standard AKM gas tubes when being used alongside friendly forces using standard AKM gas tubes/gas blocks. To backtrack slightly, the gas tubes are issued with one port on either side. Due to the KC adopting a hotter 7.62x39mm cartridge, additional ports were added to lessen the force exerted on the piston/bolt-carrier/receiver when cycling the action. If, for some reason, sub-sonic were to be used, a gas tube with gas ports omitted could be used.

Fire Rate: Select-fire (safe, full, semi-); 600RPM fully-automatic
Effective Range: 300 meters, ~3.5MOA at 100m
Caliber: 7.62x39mm
Magazine capacity: 5, 10, 20, and 30-round box magazines; 75-round drum magazines

Anything I'm really missing? I typically don't do stat blocks.

[San-Silvacian]

WW1 would be interesting.

It could be interesting to see how they decided to go about it, but from my understanding, soldiers during World War I tended to spend most of their time in a hole shooting at soldiers in another hole on the other side of No-Man's Land, occasionally coming up out of their holes to rush into oncoming MG fire.

Respawning in 5, 4, 3....

Edit: Zombie Defense Mauser

They could throw in Metro 2033 elements with having to put your gas mask on every 30 minutes because ole' Herman the German decided to troll your trench with some mustard gas.

[Fordorsia]

WW1 would be interesting.

It could be interesting to see how they decided to go about it, but from my understanding, soldiers during World War I tended to spend most of their time in a hole shooting at soldiers in another hole on the other side of No-Man's Land, occasionally coming up out of their holes to rush into oncoming MG fire.

Respawning in 5, 4, 3....

True, but I love shooting games where you strategically wait for something to happen. Sitting on a hill for 30 minutes with a friend planning to ambush another friend? Sure why not?

I love 'em.

Charges into no-man's land and missions in tunnels would be great. Who says you can't have the single traditional flying mission too? I reckon if it wasn't made by Infinity Ward or Activision and was based around actual events and realistic gameplay, it would be beyond amazing.

[Sevvania]

MMW of Spreewerke from 1960-1978 (where it is then just updated with AK-74 gas block and other "modernization" features, used until 1981 when I develop a true AK-103-alike):

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y/y?



STATISTICAL STATS:

The SFR-58/60 is an updated variant of the Puzikas-provided AKM (SFR-58). Upgrades include a full-profile, left-side folding wood stock utilizing a push-down,-rotate folding method as found on the real-life Galil/FAL/K2/etc. The pistol grip also features a metal ferrule cap for reinforcement, and also features a hard-chromed bolt-carrier group to protect against corrosion from ammunition utilizing salt-based primers. The gas tube features two gas ports (one on either side: image explained shortly), opposed to a ported gas block. Later, variants with receiver-mounted optic rails were developed (buttstock had appropriate slot cut for clearance when folded), as well. Also worth noting, this rifle features a flash suppressor opposed to a muzzle brake, and due to it being the same diameter as standard muzzle devices, the bayonet is still usable. Also, all furniture is wooden: upper handguard is just painted black to help distinguish it from standard AKM gas tubes when being used alongside friendly forces using standard AKM gas tubes/gas blocks. To backtrack slightly, the gas tubes are issued with one port on either side. Due to the KC adopted a hotter 7.62x39mm cartridge, additional ports were added to lessen the force exerted on the piston/bolt-carrier/receiver when cycling the action. If, for some reason, sub-sonic were to be used, a gas tube with gas ports omitted could be used.

Fire Rate: Select-fire (safe, full, semi-); 600RPM fully-automatic
Effective Range: 300 meters, ~3.5MOA at 100m
Caliber: 7.62x39mm
Magazine capacity: 5, 10, 20, and 30-round box magazines; 75-round drum magazines

Anything I'm really missing? I typically don't do stat blocks.

Not bad, although personally, I think you should replace the black part of the handguard with perforated metal or something.

[Spreewerke]

MMW of Spreewerke from 1960-1978 (where it is then just updated with AK-74 gas block and other "modernization" features, used until 1981 when I develop a true AK-103-alike):

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y/y?



STATISTICAL STATS:

The SFR-58/60 is an updated variant of the Puzikas-provided AKM (SFR-58). Upgrades include a full-profile, left-side folding wood stock utilizing a push-down,-rotate folding method as found on the real-life Galil/FAL/K2/etc. The pistol grip also features a metal ferrule cap for reinforcement, and also features a hard-chromed bolt-carrier group to protect against corrosion from ammunition utilizing salt-based primers. The gas tube features two gas ports (one on either side: image explained shortly), opposed to a ported gas block. Later, variants with receiver-mounted optic rails were developed (buttstock had appropriate slot cut for clearance when folded), as well. Also worth noting, this rifle features a flash suppressor opposed to a muzzle brake, and due to it being the same diameter as standard muzzle devices, the bayonet is still usable. Also, all furniture is wooden: upper handguard is just painted black to help distinguish it from standard AKM gas tubes when being used alongside friendly forces using standard AKM gas tubes/gas blocks. To backtrack slightly, the gas tubes are issued with one port on either side. Due to the KC adopted a hotter 7.62x39mm cartridge, additional ports were added to lessen the force exerted on the piston/bolt-carrier/receiver when cycling the action. If, for some reason, sub-sonic were to be used, a gas tube with gas ports omitted could be used.

Fire Rate: Select-fire (safe, full, semi-); 600RPM fully-automatic
Effective Range: 300 meters, ~3.5MOA at 100m
Caliber: 7.62x39mm
Magazine capacity: 5, 10, 20, and 30-round box magazines; 75-round drum magazines

Anything I'm really missing? I typically don't do stat blocks.

Not bad, although personally, I think you should replace the black part of the handguard with perforated metal or something.

Perforated metal is for Mall-Rambos of the 1980s, cut hands, and easily-crushed/dented.

Heat dispersion is a kind-of-bitch, but seeing as how the M16A1 had aluminum inserts for heat shields in its handguards, what's to say my lower HG cannot have the same?

[Dorlania]

yeah i was refering to Heavy Bolters as support weapons

ex. Catachans

Yeah I'm pretty much most regiments of the Guard use them. I'm yet to find a heavy machine gun that is more badass than the Heavy Bolter too.


Look at it! Look how badass it is!

Krieg has some of the best HBs around

[San-Silvacian]

It could be interesting to see how they decided to go about it, but from my understanding, soldiers during World War I tended to spend most of their time in a hole shooting at soldiers in another hole on the other side of No-Man's Land, occasionally coming up out of their holes to rush into oncoming MG fire.

Respawning in 5, 4, 3....

True, but I love shooting games where you strategically wait for something to happen. Sitting on a hill for 30 minutes with a friend planning to ambush another friend? Sure why not?

I love 'em.

Charges into no-man's land and missions in tunnels would be great. Who says you can't have the single traditional flying mission too? I reckon if it wasn't made by Infinity Ward or Activision and was based around actual events and realistic gameplay, it would be beyond amazing.

New age CoD WW1: "OMG THE JAPS HAVE AN HYDROGEN BOMB WITH ZOMBIES STRAPPED ON TO IT! EMP! EMP! EMP! QUICKLY! GRAB YOUR RIFLE! AND YOUR SQUAD OF CHEESY, ONE-FACED CHARACTERS WHO LIKE TO IRONICALLY CALL THEMSELVES SILLY THINGS LIKE SOAP, BECAUSE IN THE TRENCH YOU HAVE NO SOAP. ALSO DID I FORGET TO MENTION THOSE SILLY NEO-CHINESE THAT ARE ALLIED WITH THE JAPANESE FOR SOME REASON BUT ALSO HAVE A HYDROGEN BOMB TIMES INFINITY WARD."



CoD WW1 rifle Lee Enfield Tactical

BF WW1: "ALRIGHT BRO LISTEN HERE FOXTROT NINER ZERO ZERO BETA MAX GET THESE FUCKERS OFF ME. I'M GETTING FUCKED UP THE ASS OVER HERE LAYING DOWN C4. INSTEAD OF TWO NUKES WE ARE FACED WITH THREE POCKET NUKES CAPABLE OF BLOWING UP A MAN WHICH WILL LIKE, TOTALLY RUIN THE WORLD'S ECONOMY WHICH IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY WOULD BE MADE UP OF IMPERIALISM, EXPLOITING INDIA/CHINA, AND MUSTACHES."



screenie of uber realistic graphical glare from a single sniper scope and tactical lantern.

ARMA WW1: "HELLO THERE KIND SIR, WELCOME TO THE WESTERN FRON- OH DAMN THE NEW BOY JUST GOT HIT BY A SNIPER. TIME TO SIT FOR SIX MONTHS UNTIL WE DO A FIVE MINUTE OFFENSIVE WHICH WILL OPEN UP WITH FOUR MONTHS OF ARTILLERY FIRE."

[Aqizithiuda]

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8.92x65mm Wyvern

Loving it.

This should be interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnikov_assault_rifle

Puzikas, if you see this, could you please check the sources and see if the wiki article is right?

Guys, I found a neat article on Forgotten Weapons. Benelli made a semi-caseless submachine gun, what the hell?


http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/benelli-cbm2/

A cool idea, but ultimately no better than a normal SMG. If anything, performance will be slightly worse.

This is nothing new.

It's mainly a reliability increase casket mags exist

Guys, I found a neat article on Forgotten Weapons. Benelli made a semi-caseless submachine gun, what the hell?


http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/benelli-cbm2/

This is a WTF moment though it's kind of like the portal Turret guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... GPIQ72-2Vg

The general design of the mags has existed since the 1960s (aka the latter Springfield SPIW prototype).

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Speaking of prototypes and caseless ammo, here's the writeup for the ammo for my caseless ammo:

A repost of the ammunition section of my caseless rifle write up, for C&C:

Ammunition

Length: 45mm
Diameter: 11.32mm
Bullet Diameter: 6.7mm
Propellant Weight: 50.325 grains (3.261 grams)
Case Weight: 1.543 grains (0.1 grams)
Primer Wight: 1 grain (0.065 grams)
Booster Weight: 2.716 grains (0.141 grams)
Projectile Weight: 108 grains (7 grams)
Cartridge Weight: 163.074 grains (10.567 grams)
Operating Pressure: 58 000 psi

Ammunition for the Starkhaþ consists of 6 components - the combustible electric primer, the combustible case, the consolidated propellant charge, the booster charge, the bullet and the combustible nose cap - and has been coated with a protective layer of combustible heat resistant lacquer to reduce the chance of cookoff in hot chambers. Each component was selected especially for its purpose from a wide array and backlog of studies performed by governments and private enterprise across fifty years of time in order to provide the best possible round.

The case, for example, is made from felted nitrocellulose, in much the same way as the combustible component of NACO standard 125mm tank ammunition and modular charges for 155mm artillery units. Such cases have previously proven to be relatively durable and capable of being used in autoloaders without issues. However, in order to improve the durability of the round, Wesi designers utilised work performed by Nitrochemie Aschau GmbH¹ and added 0.5% by weight cationic starch to a mixture of 51% nitrocellulose, 48.1% cellulose and 0.9% acardite. This fibre pulp is then strained and placed in a mold where it is compacted and shaped into a cylinder with an opening in either end - one opening relatively small, the other the diameter of the case. This resulting case has approximately 34% more breaking strength, almost the double the resiliance, 41% more resistance to tear propagation and 26% more textile strength than a case made without the addition of cationic starch.

The next component, the primer, is based on work by Dynamit Nobel Aktiengesellschaft². A mixture comprised of 55.55% by weight potassium picrate, 8% zinc peroxide, 8% titanium powder, 12.7% carbon fiber and 15.87% nitrocellulose is mixed together in a solvent until thoroughly homoginised. The resultant mixture is then poured into the primer cup of the combustible case via a pipette, and the remaining solvent causes temporary dissolution of the nitrocellulose fibers, allowing the primer to adhere to the cellulose in the case. This primer can be ignited by a 200 μF charge at 40 volts. On igniting, the primer will trigger a booster charge made from fast burning ball powder, which propels the projectile out of the caseless round into the barrel before the rest of the propellant ignites, and also shatters the consolidated propellant back into individual grains.

The consolidated propellant charge was carefully designed and tailored to the round. A study on caseless ammunition conducted in 1962 concluded that single bass powders of the IMR formulation, when consolidated, would still burn cleanly even after ten months immersion in water³. As a result, the propellant of choice used in the 6.5x45mm CCTA is an extremely thermally stable single based granular powder developed by the Wesi military following issues with ammunition during the Great Desert War. While initial cartridges used off the shelf, unoptimised powders, a powder designed to take advantage of the chamber size and consolidated nature of the charge had been developed, greatly improving performance.

The actual consolidation of the powder is a relatively simple affair. The powder is mixed with at energetic thermoplastic binder developed by French company SNPE and compressed in a mold at elevated temperatures. The heat softens the grains, allowing them to compress more easily, and the binder lubricates the grains and mold, further increasing maximum compaction⁴. This process allows the volume of the powder to be reduced by 33% or more, in turn increasing the effective capacity of the caseless round. When ignited, the propellant breaks apart into individual grains, meaning that there is almost no loss of performance.

A large powder capacity is no use without a good projectile, and the 6.5x45mm CCTA's 108gr steel cored projectile doesn't disappoint. Specially designed to take advantage of the nature of the ammunition, the projectile has a G7 ballistics coefficient of 0.28 at mach 2.5+, giving it a very flat trajectory⁵. The pointed steel core, which sits just back from the nose of the projectile, is hardened to deal with body armour and intermediate barriers, while the slight air gap in the nose and the lead core create instability in the bullet when it's travelling through flesh, increasing wounding ability beyond mere diameter.

The next component of the round is a combustible nose cap made from felted nitrocellulose, which keeps the bullet in place during storage and handling. This is attached to the rest of the cartridge through a combustible thermoplastic glue. The whole cartridge is then spray coated with five different layers of alternating substances⁶. The layers are:

Layer 1: Oleophenolic resin
Layer 2: Polyurethane resin loaded at 10% with lead chromate 60
Layer 3: Polyurethane resin loaded at 5% with phenolic microballoons
Layer 4: Polyurethane resin loaded at 5% with phenolic microballoons
Layer 5: Polyurethane resin.

These alternating layers are layered to a total thickness of 0.16mm, and increases the length of time required for cookoff by a factor of six, meaning that the round can sit in a chamber for an extended period of time even after sustained fire.

¹ "Method for producing a combustible cartridge case for cartridge ammunition", Nitrochemie Aschau GmbH, US Patent 6910422
² "Electrically primable igniter charges for caseless ammunition and propellant cartridges", Dynamit Nobel Aktiengesellschaft, US Patent 4956029
³ "Combustible Ammunition for Small Arms II. Development of a Combustible Small Arms Cartridge", Van Artsdalen, E. F. et al.
⁴ Development of a Lightweight Ammunition Concept Using an Alternative Case Material and Enhanced Propellant, Todd Cloutier and Lucian Sadowsk
⁵ Border Barrels Bullet Drag Calculator, Accessed 1/4/13
⁶ Varnish protecting a caseless or combustible-case round of ammunition against thermoinitiation, L'Etat Francais represente par le Delegue Ministeriel pour l'Armement, US Patent 4766812

[Sevvania]

Perforated metal is for Mall-Rambos of the 1980s, cut hands, and easily-crushed/dented.

Heat dispersion is a kind-of-bitch, but seeing as how the M16A1 had aluminum inserts for heat shields in its handguards, what's to say my lower HG cannot have the same?

I simply prefer the aesthetic of perforated metal. The black handguard makes sense, but just doesn't look quite right to me.

Since you seem to be trying to add more detail to the preset AK, perhaps this should be of assistance:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/pimpmygun/
Search the pool for things like "AK pastie", "AK-74 pastie", basically whatever you might need plus the word "pastie" at the end. This will bring up other peoples' designs, and there's often a link to the weapon's code so you can import accessories, furniture, etc. for use on your own gun.

[Nua Corda]

SMLE Obrez. Zombies, say hello to the gentlemanly wrath of the mad minute!

[Coltarin]

I was wondering what kind of SMG should I issue for a mid-'30s to mid '50s?

[The Republic of Lanos]

I was wondering what kind of SMG should I issue for a mid-'30s to mid '50s?

M3?

[Sevvania]

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SMLE Obrez. Zombies, say hello to the gentlemanly wrath of the mad minute!

I like this. Have you considered creating a line of similarly-styled zombie weapons for your storefront?

[Fordorsia]

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SMLE Obrez. Zombies, say hello to the gentlemanly wrath of the mad minute!

I want to question your intentions and call you a heretic, but it's just too awesome to be angry at.

[Spreewerke]

Perforated metal is for Mall-Rambos of the 1980s, cut hands, and easily-crushed/dented.

Heat dispersion is a kind-of-bitch, but seeing as how the M16A1 had aluminum inserts for heat shields in its handguards, what's to say my lower HG cannot have the same?

I simply prefer the aesthetic of perforated metal. The black handguard makes sense, but just doesn't look quite right to me.

Since you seem to be trying to add more detail to the preset AK, perhaps this should be of assistance:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/pimpmygun/
Search the pool for things like "AK pastie", "AK-74 pastie", basically whatever you might need plus the word "pastie" at the end. This will bring up other peoples' designs, and there's often a link to the weapon's code so you can import accessories, furniture, etc. for use on your own gun.

My pants became 85% tighter when I clicked that link and typed "AK-103."

I THANK THEE.

Now it just makes my '70s-era model look shitty.

[Nua Corda]

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SMLE Obrez. Zombies, say hello to the gentlemanly wrath of the mad minute!

I like this. Have you considered creating a line of similarly-styled zombie weapons for your storefront?

I might actually add a ridiculous bayonet to this thing, because honestly it's going to be more effective as a sword.

[Fordorsia]

I like this. Have you considered creating a line of similarly-styled zombie weapons for your storefront?

I might actually add a ridiculous bayonet to this thing, because honestly it's going to be more effective as a sword.

Yes.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

WW1 would be interesting. I don't give a shit about "Extreme action invincible firefight with spinning".

Until the unwashed, mouth breathing masses cry out about how unrealistically long it takes to reload invade the voice chat.

Darkest Days did alright.

I wonder how RO2 would do it...

[Lolzieristan]

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SMLE Obrez. Zombies, say hello to the gentlemanly wrath of the mad minute!

Being left-eye dominant/right handed, I personally get annoyed at all right-handed bolt-actions. But that aside, wouldn't it make sense to make a cut-down bolt action left-hand cycling? So your off-hand could work the bolt more easily?

[Nua Corda]

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SMLE Obrez. Zombies, say hello to the gentlemanly wrath of the mad minute!

Being left-eye dominant/right handed, I personally get annoyed at all right-handed bolt-actions. But that aside, wouldn't it make sense to make a cut-down bolt action left-hand cycling? So your off-hand could work the bolt more easily?

I'm left handed.

I shoot rifles right handed, because I'm right-eye dominant, but I shoot pistols left handed. So this works perfectly.

[Lolzieristan]

Being left-eye dominant/right handed, I personally get annoyed at all right-handed bolt-actions. But that aside, wouldn't it make sense to make a cut-down bolt action left-hand cycling? So your off-hand could work the bolt more easily?

I'm left handed.

In that case, carry on