Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Husseinarti]

What do people think is the best fast attack craft?

An anti-shipping missile.

[Palakistan]

What do people think is the best fast attack craft?

An anti-shipping missile.

If we're going by speed..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

[The Military Department of Freedonia]

Due to recent increases in Freedonia's defense spending, we have built a navy (Previously our armed forces were comprised of 30-40 angry guys with sharpened sticks).
The Navy includes:
7 Aircraft Carriers, with a total of 300 naval fighters and bombers (not all aircraft are carrier based, however and the number of support aircraft varies)
26 Battleships
45 Cruisers
78 Destroyers
40 Minesweepers
146 Patrol Boats
131 Cargo Ships
200 Landing Craft, of various sizes

The crew, including reservists and officers, of these ships total 570,000 men. The shipboard marines total 300,000 men.

The rest of the Naval fleet is classified as of this time, if it officially exists, but I can neither confirm nor deny that it exists at this time.

[Pharthan]

Due to recent increases in Freedonia's defense spending, we have built a navy (Previously our armed forces were comprised of 30-40 angry guys with sharpened sticks).
The Navy includes:
7 Aircraft Carriers, with a total of 300 naval fighters and bombers (not all aircraft are carrier based, however and the number of support aircraft varies)
26 Battleships
45 Cruisers
78 Destroyers
40 Minesweepers
146 Patrol Boats
131 Cargo Ships
200 Landing Craft, of various sizes

The crew, including reservists and officers, of these ships total 570,000 men. The shipboard marines total 300,000 men.

The rest of the Naval fleet is classified as of this time, if it officially exists, but I can neither confirm nor deny that it exists at this time.

Why battleships, and why bombers on carriers? Just go for strike-fighters.
If you add good AEW aircraft to your carrier strike groups, you won't need battleships.

[Velkanika]

Due to recent increases in Freedonia's defense spending, we have built a navy (Previously our armed forces were comprised of 30-40 angry guys with sharpened sticks).
The Navy includes:
7 Aircraft Carriers, with a total of 300 naval fighters and bombers (not all aircraft are carrier based, however and the number of support aircraft varies)
26 Battleships
45 Cruisers
78 Destroyers
40 Minesweepers
146 Patrol Boats
131 Cargo Ships
200 Landing Craft, of various sizes

The crew, including reservists and officers, of these ships total 570,000 men. The shipboard marines total 300,000 men.

The rest of the Naval fleet is classified as of this time, if it officially exists, but I can neither confirm nor deny that it exists at this time.

1. This thread is ooc so don't waste our time with that "classified" crap.

2. This better be an interwar fleet with that composition.

[United Marxist Nations]

Due to recent increases in Freedonia's defense spending, we have built a navy (Previously our armed forces were comprised of 30-40 angry guys with sharpened sticks).
The Navy includes:
7 Aircraft Carriers, with a total of 300 naval fighters and bombers (not all aircraft are carrier based, however and the number of support aircraft varies)
26 Battleships
45 Cruisers
78 Destroyers
40 Minesweepers
146 Patrol Boats
131 Cargo Ships
200 Landing Craft, of various sizes

The crew, including reservists and officers, of these ships total 570,000 men. The shipboard marines total 300,000 men.

The rest of the Naval fleet is classified as of this time, if it officially exists, but I can neither confirm nor deny that it exists at this time.

Why battleships, and why bombers on carriers? Just go for strike-fighters.
If you add good AEW aircraft to your carrier strike groups, you won't need battleships.

To be fair, he may not be in MT.

[Palakistan]

Due to recent increases in Freedonia's defense spending, we have built a navy (Previously our armed forces were comprised of 30-40 angry guys with sharpened sticks).
The Navy includes:
7 Aircraft Carriers, with a total of 300 naval fighters and bombers (not all aircraft are carrier based, however and the number of support aircraft varies)
26 Battleships
45 Cruisers
78 Destroyers
40 Minesweepers
146 Patrol Boats
131 Cargo Ships
200 Landing Craft, of various sizes

The crew, including reservists and officers, of these ships total 570,000 men. The shipboard marines total 300,000 men.

The rest of the Naval fleet is classified as of this time, if it officially exists, but I can neither confirm nor deny that it exists at this time.

1. This thread is ooc so don't waste our time with that "classified" crap.

2. This better be an interwar fleet with that composition.

3. He better have had 2-300 billion dollars laying around, and good allies with naval tech.

[Altaiire]

This should just about finish it. Many thanks to everyone who helped me with this, especially Akasha.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/qzFHb1w.png
Type: Nuclear guided missile submarine
Displacement:
• 24,800 tons surfaced
• 28,100 tons submerged
Length: 200 m
Beam: 14.8 m
Draft: 12.2 m
Propulsion: Integrated Electric Propulsion
• 1 × supercritical water nuclear reactor (200 MWth / 90 MWe)
• 2 × emergency diesel generators (24 MW)
• 1 × superconducting electric motor driving hydrojet impeller
Speed:
• 20 knots surfaced
• 35 knots submerged
Range: Unlimited
Test depth: 1200 m
Hull type: Single hull
Hull material: Titanium aluminide alloy
Armament:
• 4 × 533mm torpedo tubes with a maximum capacity of 32 torpedoes
• 42 × Vertical Missile Launch System magazines with a maximum capacity of 252 missiles

Key
1 - Sonar dome
2 - Fore ballast tanks
3 - Machinery for bow hydroplanes
4 - Fore crew facilities
5 - Fore crew berthing
6 - Sonar room
7 - Radio room
8 - Control room
9 - Navigation
10 - Officer's berthing
11 - Officer's ward
12 - Server room
13 - Mess hall
14 - Recreation hall
15 - USV airlock
16 - USV hangar
17 -Staging area
18 - Torpedo room
19 - Auxiliary diesel engines
20 - Airlock
21 - Armory
22 - Junction
23 - Auxiliary machinery room
24 - Aft crew berthing
25 - Aft crew facilities
26 - Engineering storage
27 - Reactor compartment
28 - Engine compartment

[The Selkie]

This should just about finish it. Many thanks to everyone who helped me with this, especially Akasha.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/qzFHb1w.png
Type: Nuclear guided missile submarine
Displacement:
• 24,800 tons surfaced
• 28,100 tons submerged
Length: 200 m
Beam: 14.8 m
Draft: 12.2 m
Propulsion: Integrated Electric Propulsion
• 1 × supercritical water nuclear reactor (200 MWth / 90 MWe)
• 2 × emergency diesel generators (24 MW)
• 1 × superconducting electric motor driving hydrojet impeller
Speed:
• 20 knots surfaced
• 35 knots submerged
Range: Unlimited
Test depth: 1200 m
Hull type: Single hull
Hull material: Titanium aluminide alloy
Armament:
• 4 × 533mm torpedo tubes with a maximum capacity of 32 torpedoes
• 42 × Vertical Missile Launch System magazines with a maximum capacity of 252 missiles

(Image)

Key
1 - Sonar dome
2 - Fore ballast tanks
3 - Machinery for bow hydroplanes
4 - Fore crew facilities
5 - Fore crew berthing
6 - Sonar room
7 - Radio room
8 - Control room
9 - Navigation
10 - Officer's berthing
11 - Officer's ward
12 - Server room
13 - Mess hall
14 - Recreation hall
15 - USV airlock
16 - USV hangar
17 -Staging area
18 - Torpedo room
19 - Auxiliary diesel engines
20 - Airlock
21 - Armory
22 - Junction
23 - Auxiliary machinery room
24 - Aft crew berthing
25 - Aft crew facilities
26 - Engineering storage
27 - Reactor compartment
28 - Engine compartment

Short question: How can a submarine be faster when it is submerged? Aren't subs usually faster on the surface?

[Lamoni]

This should just about finish it. Many thanks to everyone who helped me with this, especially Akasha.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/qzFHb1w.png
Type: Nuclear guided missile submarine
Displacement:
• 24,800 tons surfaced
• 28,100 tons submerged
Length: 200 m
Beam: 14.8 m
Draft: 12.2 m
Propulsion: Integrated Electric Propulsion
• 1 × supercritical water nuclear reactor (200 MWth / 90 MWe)
• 2 × emergency diesel generators (24 MW)
• 1 × superconducting electric motor driving hydrojet impeller
Speed:
• 20 knots surfaced
• 35 knots submerged
Range: Unlimited
Test depth: 1200 m
Hull type: Single hull
Hull material: Titanium aluminide alloy
Armament:
• 4 × 533mm torpedo tubes with a maximum capacity of 32 torpedoes
• 42 × Vertical Missile Launch System magazines with a maximum capacity of 252 missiles

(Image)

Key
1 - Sonar dome
2 - Fore ballast tanks
3 - Machinery for bow hydroplanes
4 - Fore crew facilities
5 - Fore crew berthing
6 - Sonar room
7 - Radio room
8 - Control room
9 - Navigation
10 - Officer's berthing
11 - Officer's ward
12 - Server room
13 - Mess hall
14 - Recreation hall
15 - USV airlock
16 - USV hangar
17 -Staging area
18 - Torpedo room
19 - Auxiliary diesel engines
20 - Airlock
21 - Armory
22 - Junction
23 - Auxiliary machinery room
24 - Aft crew berthing
25 - Aft crew facilities
26 - Engineering storage
27 - Reactor compartment
28 - Engine compartment

Short question: How can a submarine be faster when it is submerged? Aren't subs usually faster on the surface?

Short answer for a short question:

Older submarines (WWII vintage) were faster on the surface because the shape of their hull resembled that of surface ships, which isn't nearly as efficient underwater. Modern submarines have tear-drop shaped hulls, which are much better suited for underwater speed and operations.

EDIT:

[The Selkie]

Short question: How can a submarine be faster when it is submerged? Aren't subs usually faster on the surface?

Short answer for a short question:

Older submarines (WWII vintage) were faster on the surface because the shape of their hull resembled that of surface ships, which isn't nearly as efficient underwater. Modern submarines have tear-drop shaped hulls, which are much better suited for underwater speed and operations.

Ah, I see. Thanks. You learn new things every day!

[Verdiga]

We have Arleigh Burke class destroyers as our main destroyers, albeit slightly modified.

We also have some US submarines for naval defense.

[Lamoni]

No problem.

[Laywenrania]

Short question: How can a submarine be faster when it is submerged? Aren't subs usually faster on the surface?

and in addition to the previous answer: On many subs the Diesel engines for surface propulsion had more power then the submerged-electric propulsion (p.e. the german Typ VII had 2'400 kW Diesel engines and only 560 kW for electric propulsion). Later snorkels could be used to use the Diesel submerged.

[The Selkie]

Short question: How can a submarine be faster when it is submerged? Aren't subs usually faster on the surface?

and in addition to the previous answer: On many subs the Diesel engines for surface propulsion had more power then the submerged-electric propulsion (p.e. the german Typ VII had 2'400 kW Diesel engines and only 560 kW for electric propulsion). Later snorkels could be used to use the Diesel submerged.

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

[Spirit of Hope]

and in addition to the previous answer: On many subs the Diesel engines for surface propulsion had more power then the submerged-electric propulsion (p.e. the german Typ VII had 2'400 kW Diesel engines and only 560 kW for electric propulsion). Later snorkels could be used to use the Diesel submerged.

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

Yes, it did make it slightly easier to detect the submarine. It also somewhat restricted the submarines ability to dive and only really worked in good seas. But it allowed diesel submarines to remain submerged near indefinitely, as long as they had diesel fuel, and move faster while submerged. Both of which dramatically increased the submarines chance of surviving.

[The Selkie]

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

Yes, it did make it slightly easier to detect the submarine. It also somewhat restricted the submarines ability to dive and only really worked in good seas. But it allowed diesel submarines to remain submerged near indefinitely, as long as they had diesel fuel, and move faster while submerged. Both of which dramatically increased the submarines chance of surviving.

I can imagine that. Modern submarines still use this method, so the question would be, what happens to the gases the engines produce? I imagine, they store it up and then release it once surfacing or snorkelling, but the problem would then be, that everyone could detect them far easier.

EDIT: It's a question, or at least supposed to.

[Laywenrania]

and in addition to the previous answer: On many subs the Diesel engines for surface propulsion had more power then the submerged-electric propulsion (p.e. the german Typ VII had 2'400 kW Diesel engines and only 560 kW for electric propulsion). Later snorkels could be used to use the Diesel submerged.

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

The british radars with higher resolution could actually really detect the snorkel, the germans then tried to coat radar-absorbing materials on the snorkel head, although iirc the efficiency of this was in doubt.
Also, if used at day, a good crew of a ship/plane could detect the trail behind the snorkel of the traveling submarine

I can imagine that. Modern submarines still use this method, so the question would be, what happens to the gases the engines produce? I imagine, they store it up and then release it once surfacing or snorkelling, but the problem would then be, that everyone could detect them far easier.

The snorkel served as two-way device basically. One way to get oxygen in the sub for crew and mostly the engine and second get out the diesel fumes.

[Spirit of Hope]

Yes, it did make it slightly easier to detect the submarine. It also somewhat restricted the submarines ability to dive and only really worked in good seas. But it allowed diesel submarines to remain submerged near indefinitely, as long as they had diesel fuel, and move faster while submerged. Both of which dramatically increased the submarines chance of surviving.

I can imagine that. Modern submarines still use this method, so the question would be, what happens to the gases the engines produce? I imagine, they store it up and then release it once surfacing or snorkelling, but the problem would then be, that everyone could detect them far easier.

EDIT: It's a question, or at least supposed to.

As already noted the snorkel was to way, it didn't just bring in air it also released the unwanted gasses. Also some modern submarines use fuel cells which do't have the same oxygen issues that diesel submarines have.

[The Selkie]

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

The british radars with higher resolution could actually really detect the snorkel, the germans then tried to coat radar-absorbing materials on the snorkel head, although iirc the efficiency of this was in doubt.
Also, if used at day, a good crew of a ship/plane could detect the trail behind the snorkel of the traveling submarine

I can imagine that. Modern submarines still use this method, so the question would be, what happens to the gases the engines produce? I imagine, they store it up and then release it once surfacing or snorkelling, but the problem would then be, that everyone could detect them far easier.

The snorkel served as two-way device basically. One way to get oxygen in the sub for crew and mostly the engine and second get out the diesel fumes.

I can imagine that. Modern submarines still use this method, so the question would be, what happens to the gases the engines produce? I imagine, they store it up and then release it once surfacing or snorkelling, but the problem would then be, that everyone could detect them far easier.

EDIT: It's a question, or at least supposed to.

As already noted the snorkel was to way, it didn't just bring in air it also released the unwanted gasses. Also some modern submarines use fuel cells which do't have the same oxygen issues that diesel submarines have.

There is a plan for a diesel-electric submarine coming together in my head... expect a new Silverport Dockyards Product here, soon. But it will take a while, so stay tuned!

[Fin Dovah Junaar]

Galleass best ship.

[The Akasha Colony]

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

It would be harder to detect a snorkeling submarine than a completely surfaced one, which is what submarines had to do to recharge their batteries before the snorkel was developed. Nowadays, avoiding surfacing is also a benefit because modern submarines are very unstable and ponderous on the surface, and a very unpleasant ride for the crew. A snorkel allows the diesels to be run without making half the crew seasick every few days.

[The Selkie]

Ah, interesting. But wouldn't the snorkel make it easier to detect the submarine?

It would be harder to detect a snorkeling submarine than a completely surfaced one, which is what submarines had to do to recharge their batteries before the snorkel was developed. Nowadays, avoiding surfacing is also a benefit because modern submarines are very unstable and ponderous on the surface, and a very unpleasant ride for the crew. A snorkel allows the diesels to be run without making half the crew seasick every few days.

I see. So no barfing crews when underwater. Boring, but a bit of a relief!

EDIT: Do nuclear submarines snorkel? I mean, sure, they have no gases by diesel engine, but they have a crew, which needs fresh air every now and then.

[The Akasha Colony]

EDIT: Do nuclear submarines snorkel? I mean, sure, they have no gases by diesel engine, but they have a crew, which needs fresh air every now and then.

No, they have onboard oxygen generators that use electricity to separate hydrogen and oxygen from seawater. The only time they'd need to snorkel is if they were running their backup diesel engines, but this would only happen if something's gone wrong with the nuclear reactor.

[The Selkie]

EDIT: Do nuclear submarines snorkel? I mean, sure, they have no gases by diesel engine, but they have a crew, which needs fresh air every now and then.

No, they have onboard oxygen generators that use electricity to separate hydrogen and oxygen from seawater. The only time they'd need to snorkel is if they were running their backup diesel engines, but this would only happen if something's gone wrong with the nuclear reactor.

Clever boys who build these things... I think I have a solid grasp on submarine engines now.