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Should Nordengrund Repeal Its Drug Laws?

Poll ended at Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:56 pm

Yes
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No
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Abatael
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Postby Abatael » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:21 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Uirokeilendh wrote:I. Virtually all 'recreational' drugs have a medical purpose.
Heroine for example, is essentially just another form of morphine. In-fact, it's safe when uncontaminated. The problem with it is it's addictive, and thus not inappropriate for medical use.
II. Alcohol & nicotine are used a recreational drugs, and those a legal in your nation.
III. You don't think people can use medicinal drugs for recreational purposes?


OCC: I have a reputation for being a hypocrite. Personally I have no problem with alcohol, smoking products or tobacco, because I do not think they are anywhere near as bad as the hard drugs. I also grew up around them.

IC: I, the chancellor of Nordengrund, do not rule a hivemind. Speaking in second person is a bad habit of mine because I like to represent all Nordengrundians in the issues.


OoC: You aren't hypocritical. You simply have exceptions to certain things; that's not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be you telling people not to use drugs, and then you using them.
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Postby Nordengrund » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:22 pm

Tuthina wrote:
Abatael wrote:Both Venolia, and Nordengrund are Godly.

I stand corrected, then. We still suggest Nordengrund to legalise most of the drugs, and put all who commits crime under drug influence and failed to recover their sanity after a while in mental institution. We think it weeds out the more corrupting factors of the society regardless of religions.


We are considering of legalizing all drugs, but hanging drug users that cause problems in society.
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Tuthina
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Postby Tuthina » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:24 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Tuthina wrote:I stand corrected, then. We still suggest Nordengrund to legalise most of the drugs, and put all who commits crime under drug influence and failed to recover their sanity after a while in mental institution. We think it weeds out the more corrupting factors of the society regardless of religions.


We are considering of legalizing all drugs, but hanging drug users that cause problems in society.

We prefer summary execution by firearms or burning, but as long as it is lethal enough, we think it is a suitable alternative.
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Postby Uirokeilendh » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:27 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Uirokeilendh wrote:I. Virtually all 'recreational' drugs have a medical purpose.
Heroine for example, is essentially just another form of morphine. In-fact, it's safe when uncontaminated. The problem with it is it's addictive, and thus not inappropriate for medical use.
II. Alcohol & nicotine are used a recreational drugs, and those a legal in your nation.
III. You don't think people can use medicinal drugs for recreational purposes?


OCC: I have a reputation for being a hypocrite. Personally I have no problem with alcohol, smoking products or tobacco, because I do not think they are anywhere near as bad as the hard drugs. I also grew up around them.

IC: I, the chancellor of Nordengrund, do not rule a hivemind. Speaking in second person is a bad habit of mine because I like to represent all Nordengrundians in the issues.


OOC: There is no such thing as hard & soft drugs.

IC: You should maybe work on that. The Uirokeilendhic National Governmental Corporation can provide you with some marvellous pharmaceuticals to relax you, if stress is the problem.
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Postby Nordengrund » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:27 pm

Tuthina wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
We are considering of legalizing all drugs, but hanging drug users that cause problems in society.

We prefer summary execution by firearms or burning, but as long as it is lethal enough, we think it is a suitable alternative.


We abolished execution by firing squad because we think it is a waste of bullets. We usually execute people by hanging or the electric chair these days.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:30 pm

No. Hard core and soft core narcotics and drugs should stay abolished.

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Postby Abatael » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:30 pm

Uirokeilendh wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
OCC: I have a reputation for being a hypocrite. Personally I have no problem with alcohol, smoking products or tobacco, because I do not think they are anywhere near as bad as the hard drugs. I also grew up around them.

IC: I, the chancellor of Nordengrund, do not rule a hivemind. Speaking in second person is a bad habit of mine because I like to represent all Nordengrundians in the issues.


OOC: There is no such thing as hard & soft drugs.

IC: You should maybe work on that. The Uirokeilendhic National Governmental Corporation can provide you with some marvellous pharmaceuticals to relax you, if stress is the problem.


OoC: Do you usually speak in fields, in which you have little to no experience? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_drugs

Nordengrund, seriously, disregard everything this guy says.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:32 pm

Prohibition doesn't work. It doesn't reduce consumption. It causes collateral health issues due to inferior product, it creates an anti-government subculture and it enriches the criminal element.

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Postby Sedikal » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:32 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Tuthina wrote:We prefer summary execution by firearms or burning, but as long as it is lethal enough, we think it is a suitable alternative.


We abolished execution by firing squad because we think it is a waste of bullets. We usually execute people by hanging or the electric chair these days.

Lethal injection?
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Postby Tuthina » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:34 pm

Sedikal wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
We abolished execution by firing squad because we think it is a waste of bullets. We usually execute people by hanging or the electric chair these days.

Lethal injection?

We regard that as one of the more stupid invention as it failed to improve the efficiency, successful rate, or cost of the execution, and we hope the feeling is shared by other nations as well.
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Postby Uirokeilendh » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:35 pm

Abatael wrote:
Uirokeilendh wrote:
OOC: There is no such thing as hard & soft drugs.

IC: You should maybe work on that. The Uirokeilendhic National Governmental Corporation can provide you with some marvellous pharmaceuticals to relax you, if stress is the problem.


OoC: Do you usually speak in fields you have little to no experience in? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_drugs

Nordengrund, seriously, disregard everything this guy says.


OOC: They are not scientifically determined classifications, and they a based on perceptions.
I do not consider them valid.
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Abatael
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Postby Abatael » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:40 pm

Uirokeilendh wrote:
Abatael wrote:
OoC: Do you usually speak in fields you have little to no experience in? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_drugs

Nordengrund, seriously, disregard everything this guy says.


OOC: They are not scientifically determined classifications, and they a based on perceptions.
I do not consider them valid.


OoC: They're still existent, and here some more sites, most of which classify them:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hard+drug
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/soft+drug
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_drug
http://www.medic8.com/drug-addiction/fa ... drugs.html
http://www.medic8.com/drug-addiction/fa ... drugs.html

And, simply because you do not consider them "valid," (whatever that equivocal term is supposed to mean) does not invalidate, or somehow disqualify the terms for usage, especially for legal usage, which, in this case, is how they are being employed. And, terms "hard," and "soft" drugs are not unprecedented in legal utilization.
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Postby Uirokeilendh » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:47 pm

Abatael wrote:OoC: [...]

This isn't the place for an OOC debate.
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Mirato
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Postby Mirato » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:47 pm

Definitely not! Marijuana should be legal for medical purposes, but no recreational drugs.
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Postby Abatael » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:48 pm

Uirokeilendh wrote:
Abatael wrote:OoC: [...]

This isn't the place for an OOC debate.


Of course it's not.
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Postby Cyaka » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:57 pm

We have legalised all drugs and the government heavily regulates and taxes them. It prevents people seeing them as a taboo from a young age and also brings in money.

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Postby Antarsia » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:17 pm

Laws should only be in place to keep people from harming each other or each other's property. Use of drugs in one's home only affects one person; the one using. As such, the government has no business dictating what people can and cannot do to themselves.
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Postby Abatael » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:20 pm

Antarsia wrote:Laws should only be in place to keep people from harming each other or each other's property. Use of drugs in one's home only affects one person; the one using. As such, the government has no business dictating what people can and cannot do to themselves.


Maybe in the nation of Antarsia the government does not care about the health, and virtue of the citizens, but, in Nordengrund, the governmental administration is familiar with the concept of humanity, and humaneness; that is why such laws are in place.
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Postby Antarsia » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:26 pm

Abatael wrote:
Antarsia wrote:Laws should only be in place to keep people from harming each other or each other's property. Use of drugs in one's home only affects one person; the one using. As such, the government has no business dictating what people can and cannot do to themselves.


Maybe in the nation of Antarsia the government does not care about the health, and virtue of the citizens, but, in Nordengrund, the governmental administration is familiar with the concept of humanity, and humaneness; that is why such laws are in place.


Antarsia is concerned for the health and well being of its citizens, that is why we provide universal healthcare including programs for those suffering addiction.

We simply value freedom more.
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Postby Novus Niciae » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:30 pm

Drugs sap the productivity of their users by causing a stupor so intense that they can do no useful task or have meaningful interpersonal relationships and cause a addiction so fierce that addicts often have to resort to a life of crime to fuel their addictions.

We would strongly advise against legalizing drugs.
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:31 pm

it really depends on the priorities of the majority of you population what should be done, and upon the details of your nation's culture's as to what is likely to result from doing so.

in cameroi we don't outright ban possession or production of any substance or artifact, though we do ban the mass production, sale, and wholesale importation of any a 2/3rds majority of our population wish to.
so far these are limited to cars and guns. nothing about medicinal substances; for which, there just isn't that much demand to recreationally consume them.
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Postby Namor » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:39 pm

In Namor, the drug industry is allowed however not encouraged.
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Postby Westerveim » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:50 pm

Urmanian wrote:All drugs should be legalized. The state should have no part in deciding what people should or should not put in their body.


The policy of Westerveim's government regarding drugs is aligned with Urmania's.
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Postby Iglesian Archipelago » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:58 pm

Iglesiantis believes that all drugs should be legal. The Iglesian state doesn't say what you can put and what you cannot put in your body, as we view that as dictatorial, authoritarian, oppressive.

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Abatael
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Postby Abatael » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:24 pm

Nordengrund, do you want to know what drugs do to people? What they cause people to do? How stupid they make the user?

If you do, access the sites below at your own desire:

THE SITES BELOW CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

THE SITES BELOW CONTAIN IMAGES THAT SOME VIEWERS MAY FIND DISTURBING. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.
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http://img.youtube.com/vi/-yiyzzSwnGM/0.jpg - Caused from a mother using drugs.
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... 00x216.jpg - Side effects from a drug known as "Krokodil."
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... ug6344.jpg
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... rug243.jpg - As you see here, drugs can literally cause you to rot away.
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... 534634.jpg
http://dybiz.com/sites_randomblog/wp-co ... kodil3.jpg
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/1296546_f520.jpg - Defects from drug abuse.
Removed - These are an example of what drugs can cause you to do. Because of the affects of the drugs, he thought peeling his face off with a broken piece of glass, and feeding it to dogs would be a good idea.
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Removed - This one I would say is the worst. You may have heard about this, but, here, a man got high on a drug, and he then proceeded to assault someone else, and ate a portion of his face. Remember, this was due to him using drugs.
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How can you subject your people to such disgusting, and immoral, and inhumane conditions? You might as well just cut their faces off for them.
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