What is the main military weapon of your country?

[Fatatatutti]

Carbines and SBRs. Put a 12.5inch barrel on an AR Platform and you are golden.

That's what I've been trying to tell UAWC but the youngsters seem to prefer something flashier - something that makes loud noises or rips off a whole mag in five seconds.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

[Imitora]

That's what I've been trying to tell UAWC but the youngsters seem to prefer something flashier - something that makes loud noises or rips off a whole mag in five seconds.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

One can lead a student to knowledge, but you unfortunately cannot force them to learn
-- Col. Aaron Waikes, Imitoran Marine Corps

[Uawc]

Carbines and SBRs. Put a 12.5inch barrel on an AR Platform and you are golden.

That's what I've been trying to tell UAWC but the youngsters seem to prefer something flashier - something that makes loud noises or rips off a whole mag in five seconds.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

If I remember correctly, ever one of our assault rifles fires at 600 RPM. That's not very fast. Our shotgun goes at 400 RPM, and our main SMG 550. Only a couple of our weapons are so horrifically fast as you describe; and only one is standard issue, and even then it's used mounted and belt-fed.

[Roman Imperium]

Legionaries use the AR80 as their main assault rifle, while the Auxiliaries use the AK-74.

Legionaries use the FN Minimi as their standard Squad Support weapon, the Auxiliaries use the RPK.

Legionaries use the FN MAG as their standard General Purpose Machine Gun, the Auxiliaries use the PK.

Legionaries use the MILAN and the AT4 as their standard rocket launchers, the Auxiliaries use the RPG-7.

[Barrettstia]

Our shotgun goes at 400 RPM,

Which, I think it's been stated, is infeasibly fast for an automatic shotgun.

[Fatatatutti]

Carbines and SBRs. Put a 12.5inch barrel on an AR Platform and you are golden.

That's what I've been trying to tell UAWC but the youngsters seem to prefer something flashier - something that makes loud noises or rips off a whole mag in five seconds.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

If I remember correctly, ever one of our assault rifles fires at 600 RPM.

Do the math: 600 RPM = 10 rounds per second. That's 3 seconds to burn off a 30-round mag. A trooper's whole ammo supply could be Gone in Thirty Seconds. And if the first few rounds don't hit the target, God only knows where the rest of them go.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

[Uawc]

Our shotgun goes at 400 RPM,

Which, I think it's been stated, is infeasibly fast for an automatic shotgun.

It's only slightly faster than the AA-12, which I'm pretty sure is 350 RPM.

OOC: My nation is somewhere between MT and PMT.

[Uawc]

Carbines and SBRs. Put a 12.5inch barrel on an AR Platform and you are golden.

That's what I've been trying to tell UAWC but the youngsters seem to prefer something flashier - something that makes loud noises or rips off a whole mag in five seconds.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

If I remember correctly, ever one of our assault rifles fires at 600 RPM.

Do the math: 600 RPM = 10 rounds per second. That's 3 seconds to burn off a 30-round mag. A trooper's whole ammo supply could be Gone in Thirty Seconds. And if the first few rounds don't hit the target, God only knows where the rest of them go.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

Don't most assault rifles shoot faster anyway...?

[Fatatatutti]

Don't most assault rifles shoot faster anyway...?

A soldier who has to carry his own ammo learns to avoid automatic. He also learns that he wants the same ammo as the others in his squad in case he does run out. So he doesn't want an SMG, he wants a carbine.

And he certainly doesn't want a shotgun. He wants to shoot the poor schlepp with the shotgun before he gets a chance to shoot back.

We don't issue shotguns at all and only the commandos use SMGs once in a while for specific missions.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

[The Grand World Order]

Don't most assault rifles shoot faster anyway...?

A soldier who has to carry his own ammo learns to avoid automatic. He also learns that he wants the same ammo as the others in his squad in case he does run out. So he doesn't want an SMG, he wants a carbine.

And he certainly doesn't want a shotgun. He wants to shoot the poor schlepp with the shotgun before he gets a chance to shoot back.

We don't issue shotguns at all and only the commandos use SMGs once in a while for specific missions.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

Being a nation that participates heavily in urban combat, we find shotguns to be rather useful, but we would never consider equipping an entire unit with them, save for a fireteam possibly.

[Ruthless Slaughter]

Don't most assault rifles shoot faster anyway...?

A soldier who has to carry his own ammo learns to avoid automatic. He also learns that he wants the same ammo as the others in his squad in case he does run out. So he doesn't want an SMG, he wants a carbine.

And he certainly doesn't want a shotgun. He wants to shoot the poor schlepp with the shotgun before he gets a chance to shoot back.

We don't issue shotguns at all and only the commandos use SMGs once in a while for specific missions.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

Pretty sound reasoning, but the shotgun does have its niche in room clearing and close urban combat. Combat doctrines can certainly work without shotguns, but I personally wouldn't discount them entirely.

[Fatatatutti]

Yes, we do recognize the potential of shotguns in an urban setting. If anybody invades our cities, we might make use of them. But our terrain is much like UAWC describes his, jungle/mountains. That's where we're hoping to stop any invaders and blowing the doors off the trees doesn't seem like much of a priority.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

[The Grand World Order]

Yes, we do recognize the potential of shotguns in an urban setting. If anybody invades our cities, we might make use of them. But our terrain is much like UAWC describes his, jungle/mountains. That's where we're hoping to stop any invaders and blowing the doors off the trees doesn't seem like much of a priority.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

Shotguns have been useful in the hands of point men in jungle patrols- they offer a good first reaction to an ambush, or a quick but devastating dose of power in the event of launching an ambush.

[Barrettstia]

In Barrettstian infantry squads one man carries a shotgun or automatic shotgun for the situations where they're useful. At the same time one person carries a sniper rifle and another carries a squad automatic weapon and in certain circumstances an anti-tank weapon. Everybody else carries an assault rifle (which is shortly getting phased out in favour of a new battle rifle) and a pistol. No-one but the special forces use SMGs as part of their ordinary equipment.

[The Grand World Order]

GWO troops usually carry two kits for their MI-8A2 rifles (usually, an AR kit and a BR kit), and two or three men, depending on the environment, will carry an FSIAAS/EG-AAS12.

[Wrestlemania XXVI]

I don't really know what other nations call them, but Wrestlmania XXVI calls them Pedigrees





We also use what we call Tombstones

Also we use monsters



And our most poweful weapon

[Fatatatutti]

Shotguns have been useful in the hands of point men in jungle patrols- they offer a good first reaction to an ambush, or a quick but devastating dose of power in the event of launching an ambush.

Thanks. I'll look into that.

-- Gen. Castro-Stalina, Fatatatutti Foreign Legion

[Bedford Island]

I would like to add that having a man with a SAW behind the shotgun-wielding point man is a good idea. Suppression is critical in the early seconds of a spot contact.

~ Major George N. Frost, RBIA

[Uawc]

The UAWC has developed its first weapon that falls into the category of "carbine".

The UAWC BDC-X1 pistol-caliber carbine uses box magazines of 30 .45 UCP rounds* as well as drums of 100. The carbine's primary mode of fire is semi-automatic, but by holding down the trigger the user can fire at full-auto. When fully-automatic, the BDC-X1 fires at 550 RPM. It comes fitted with a red dot sight, backup iron sights, muzzle brake and a flashlight, all of which are easily detachable and replaceable. The BDC-X1 also comes with a suppressor, making it essentially a scaled-up version of the scarily quiet silenced MP5. The BDC-X1 is quiet, powerful, accurate, easy to operate, comfortable, reliable and an excellent weapon for all kinds of situations.

The BDC-X1 carbine will fill a critical niche in the UAWC's military tactics.



*.45 UCP is the UAWC's version of .45 ACP. The two rounds are very similar, and are in fact interchangeable and can be used in the same guns. However, the .45 UCP round is optimized for inflicting hydrostatic shock.

OOC: Seriously, I'm really proud of this. Any and all opinions are appreciated.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

The UAWC has developed its first weapon that falls into the category of "carbine".

The UAWC BDC-X1 pistol-caliber carbine uses box magazines of 30 .45 UCP rounds* as well as drums of 100. The carbine's primary mode of fire is semi-automatic, but by holding down the trigger the user can fire at full-auto. When fully-automatic, the BDC-X1 fires at 550 RPM. It comes fitted with a red dot sight, backup iron sights, muzzle brake and a flashlight, all of which are easily detachable and replaceable. The BDC-X1 also comes with a suppressor, making it essentially a scaled-up version of the scarily quiet silenced MP5. The BDC-X1 is quiet, powerful, accurate, easy to operate, comfortable, reliable and an excellent weapon for all kinds of situations.

The BDC-X1 carbine will fill a critical niche in the UAWC's military tactics.



*.45 UCP is the UAWC's version of .45 ACP. The two rounds are very similar, and are in fact interchangeable and can be used in the same guns. However, the .45 UCP round is optimized for inflicting hydrostatic shock.

Seems more like an over sized smg, a carbine is just a short rifle, so for your nation a carbine would probably fire a 7.62x39 round and be about 24-28 inches long, that is why bull pup rifles are useful, they allow you to still have a relatively long barrel even if they are barely over 2 feet long, a good example is the TAR-21.

[Uawc]

The UAWC has developed its first weapon that falls into the category of "carbine".

The UAWC BDC-X1 pistol-caliber carbine uses box magazines of 30 .45 UCP rounds* as well as drums of 100. The carbine's primary mode of fire is semi-automatic, but by holding down the trigger the user can fire at full-auto. When fully-automatic, the BDC-X1 fires at 550 RPM. It comes fitted with a red dot sight, backup iron sights, muzzle brake and a flashlight, all of which are easily detachable and replaceable. The BDC-X1 also comes with a suppressor, making it essentially a scaled-up version of the scarily quiet silenced MP5. The BDC-X1 is quiet, powerful, accurate, easy to operate, comfortable, reliable and an excellent weapon for all kinds of situations.

The BDC-X1 carbine will fill a critical niche in the UAWC's military tactics.



*.45 UCP is the UAWC's version of .45 ACP. The two rounds are very similar, and are in fact interchangeable and can be used in the same guns. However, the .45 UCP round is optimized for inflicting hydrostatic shock.

Seems more like an over sized smg, a carbine is just a short rifle, so for your nation a carbine would probably fire a 7.62x39 round and be about 24-28 inches long, that is why bull pup rifles are useful, they allow you to still have a relatively long barrel even if they are barely over 2 feet long, a good example is the TAR-21.

We do have a bullpup AR, it's just that the BDC-X1 has strengths that the bullpup doesn't. Also, plenty of people don't feel comfortable with bullpups for various reasons.

And indeed, some do consider this to be an over-sized submachine gun, and it can be used as one. Thing is, it's got less recoil and is more accurate. Additionally, there are quite a few carbines already that fire pistol calibers, from 9mm Parabellum to .44 Mag.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

The UAWC has developed its first weapon that falls into the category of "carbine".

The UAWC BDC-X1 pistol-caliber carbine uses box magazines of 30 .45 UCP rounds* as well as drums of 100. The carbine's primary mode of fire is semi-automatic, but by holding down the trigger the user can fire at full-auto. When fully-automatic, the BDC-X1 fires at 550 RPM. It comes fitted with a red dot sight, backup iron sights, muzzle brake and a flashlight, all of which are easily detachable and replaceable. The BDC-X1 also comes with a suppressor, making it essentially a scaled-up version of the scarily quiet silenced MP5. The BDC-X1 is quiet, powerful, accurate, easy to operate, comfortable, reliable and an excellent weapon for all kinds of situations.

The BDC-X1 carbine will fill a critical niche in the UAWC's military tactics.



*.45 UCP is the UAWC's version of .45 ACP. The two rounds are very similar, and are in fact interchangeable and can be used in the same guns. However, the .45 UCP round is optimized for inflicting hydrostatic shock.

Seems more like an over sized smg, a carbine is just a short rifle, so for your nation a carbine would probably fire a 7.62x39 round and be about 24-28 inches long, that is why bull pup rifles are useful, they allow you to still have a relatively long barrel even if they are barely over 2 feet long, a good example is the TAR-21.

We do have a bullpup AR, it's just that the BDC-X1 has strengths that the bullpup doesn't. Also, plenty of people don't feel comfortable with bullpups for various reasons.

And indeed, some do consider this to be an over-sized submachine gun, and it can be used as one. Thing is, it's got less recoil and is more accurate. Additionally, there are quite a few carbines already that fire pistol calibers, from 9mm Parabellum to .44 Mag.

Truthfully, I still view the pistol calibre carbines to be useless, if you want a gun with minimum recoil, and a small round go for an smg, if you want to have the stopping power of a rifle in the size of a large smg go for a rifle calibre carbine, a pistol calibre carbine offers no real advantages over a rifle carbine except for recoil. Anyway, that is my opinion if you really want a pistol carbine than go for it, just don't expect to kill someone wearing modern body armour very quickly.

[Barrettstia]

The UAWC has developed its first weapon that falls into the category of "carbine".

The UAWC BDC-X1 pistol-caliber carbine uses box magazines of 30 .45 UCP rounds* as well as drums of 100. The carbine's primary mode of fire is semi-automatic, but by holding down the trigger the user can fire at full-auto. When fully-automatic, the BDC-X1 fires at 550 RPM. It comes fitted with a red dot sight, backup iron sights, muzzle brake and a flashlight, all of which are easily detachable and replaceable. The BDC-X1 also comes with a suppressor, making it essentially a scaled-up version of the scarily quiet silenced MP5. The BDC-X1 is quiet, powerful, accurate, easy to operate, comfortable, reliable and an excellent weapon for all kinds of situations.

The BDC-X1 carbine will fill a critical niche in the UAWC's military tactics.



*.45 UCP is the UAWC's version of .45 ACP. The two rounds are very similar, and are in fact interchangeable and can be used in the same guns. However, the .45 UCP round is optimized for inflicting hydrostatic shock.

OOC: Seriously, I'm really proud of this. Any and all opinions are appreciated.

The ergonomics suck. with the stock in that position I would have to hold my hand higher than my shoulder to aim this weapon while at the same time craning my neck to look through the sights. Move the stock higher and the rest of the gun will be lowered to a comfortable level.

Also, I'm confused as to why you've chosen a pistol calibre carbine. Nowadays they seem to have little military application when you have the option of an SMG or a rifle carbine. You already have more than enough guns that fire pistol rounds, so why not fill that much needed niched and get a compact rifle which isn't a bullpup, AKA, the original purpose carbines were intended as? Better yet, make it a shorter version of your current assault or battle rifle so that the parts can be interchanged for easy training and maintenance.

[EDIT]: Also that grip doesn't look like it has enough space for your hand. I'm building what I think you should use based on your current design just now and I'll post what I create.

[Imitora]

The ergonomics suck. with the stock in that position I would have to hold my hand higher than my shoulder to aim this weapon while at the same time craning my neck to look through the sights. Move the stock higher and the rest of the gun will be lowered to a comfortable level.

Also, I'm confused as to why you've chosen a pistol calibre carbine. Nowadays they seem to have little military application when you have the option of an SMG or a rifle carbine. You already have more than enough guns that fire pistol rounds, so why not fill that much needed niched and get a compact rifle which isn't a bullpup, AKA, the original purpose carbines were intended as?

^This.

Make it a rifle round, not a pistol round. The rear sight wont line up with the front sight when flipped up. It doesn't actually look like a carbine, more like a full sized rifle following Commifornia gun laws. The front mounted light looks to far from the hand gaurd to be easily turned on and off.

Oh, and Federal figured out the problem you have with the .45ACP back in the 80s.

Federal HydraShock.

[Barrettstia]

Okay, here's my reworking of your design:

Changes

• Upgraded to a rifle round
• New adjustable stock in a position which won't give your soldiers neck, shoulder and elbow injuries
• Pistol grip large enough to fit a whole hand on
• Longer picatinny rail on the top

However, because of your original design what we have here is closer to a rifle because of its size. to make it a carbine you'd probably have to chop the barrel of at the end of the handguard or thereabouts. I'd also suggest adding some sort of rail system to the sides and possibly bottom of your handguard to give yourself some more options.

Also using that receiver is going to make the rifle incredibly flimsy. You could probably bend it in half at the point where the magazine is fed in.