Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[The Kievan People]

But MBT's can already mount a 140 or 152mm gun and have as much armor as it is feasible to have.

[Lubyak]

As I understand it, heavy tanks fell out of favor in the modern world as the guns you could mount on a 'medium' tank, were capable of penetrating most all forms of armor that could be reasonably mounted on a vehicle, thus making the 'heavy tank' useless on the field, as its attributes (bigger gun than a medium tank, and heavier armor) had become irrelevant.

I imagine a superheavy tank would face the same issues. It would also have the issue of being a giant 'SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME!' for artillery and aircraft, and the resources spent building it would likely be better spent making more main battle tanks.

Well, in modern terms, 120mm guns can't penetrate the frontal arc of heavy armor-module Chobham. An M1A2 can't shoot through another M1A2 from the front. So armor a superheavy tank in Chobham. And yes, they do present a massive target. That's one problem I have a hard time getting around.

As was stated, we can simply give the MBT a 140 mm gun, which can penetrate an Abrams fruntal armor. Only reason we don't have MBTs rolling around with 140 mm cannons is because the Cold War ended, and the threat of the Future Soviet Tank dissapeared.

So, it's not like we need a larger platform in order to mount guns capable of penetrating the frontal armor of MT tanks. If we had to start penetrating the frontal armor of the heavily armored Western tanks, we could mount a larger gun. However, since having to do so is extremely unlikely, there's no incentive to do so. So, once again, we come to the question of what point a superheavy tank would serve other than: a) Rule of cool, or b) Giving something to waste resources on.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Well, in modern terms, 120mm guns can't penetrate the frontal arc of heavy armor-module Chobham. An M1A2 can't shoot through another M1A2 from the front. So armor a superheavy tank in Chobham. And yes, they do present a massive target. That's one problem I have a hard time getting around.

As was stated, we can simply give the MBT a 140 mm gun, which can penetrate an Abrams fruntal armor. Only reason we don't have MBTs rolling around with 140 mm cannons is because the Cold War ended, and the threat of the Future Soviet Tank dissapeared.

So, it's not like we need a larger platform in order to mount guns capable of penetrating the frontal armor of MT tanks. If we had to start penetrating the frontal armor of the heavily armored Western tanks, we could mount a larger gun. However, since having to do so is extremely unlikely, there's no incentive to do so. So, once again, we come to the question of what point a superheavy tank would serve other than: a) Rule of cool, or b) Giving something to waste resources on.

Meh, it isn't like we don't waste resources on a lot of crap in the military anyway. The F-22 and F-35 are largely useless when our biggest enemy is Akbar and his RPG-7. On the bright side the Koreans might end up mounting an ETC gun in the K2 PIP. Probably won't, but they might.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

the tundra v5:
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Take a look at where the turret is situated. It won't be able to traverse.

[Bafuria]

As was stated, we can simply give the MBT a 140 mm gun, which can penetrate an Abrams fruntal armor. Only reason we don't have MBTs rolling around with 140 mm cannons is because the Cold War ended, and the threat of the Future Soviet Tank dissapeared.

So, it's not like we need a larger platform in order to mount guns capable of penetrating the frontal armor of MT tanks. If we had to start penetrating the frontal armor of the heavily armored Western tanks, we could mount a larger gun. However, since having to do so is extremely unlikely, there's no incentive to do so. So, once again, we come to the question of what point a superheavy tank would serve other than: a) Rule of cool, or b) Giving something to waste resources on.

Meh, it isn't like we don't waste resources on a lot of crap in the military anyway. The F-22 and F-35 are largely useless when our biggest enemy is Akbar and his RPG-7. On the bright side the Koreans might end up mounting an ETC gun in the K2 PIP. Probably won't, but they might.

I thought you left NS.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Meh, it isn't like we don't waste resources on a lot of crap in the military anyway. The F-22 and F-35 are largely useless when our biggest enemy is Akbar and his RPG-7. On the bright side the Koreans might end up mounting an ETC gun in the K2 PIP. Probably won't, but they might.

I thought you left NS.

Reports of my disappearance have been greatly exaggerated.

[Yes Im Biop]

As was stated, we can simply give the MBT a 140 mm gun, which can penetrate an Abrams fruntal armor. Only reason we don't have MBTs rolling around with 140 mm cannons is because the Cold War ended, and the threat of the Future Soviet Tank dissapeared.

So, it's not like we need a larger platform in order to mount guns capable of penetrating the frontal armor of MT tanks. If we had to start penetrating the frontal armor of the heavily armored Western tanks, we could mount a larger gun. However, since having to do so is extremely unlikely, there's no incentive to do so. So, once again, we come to the question of what point a superheavy tank would serve other than: a) Rule of cool, or b) Giving something to waste resources on.

Meh, it isn't like we don't waste resources on a lot of crap in the military anyway. The F-22 and F-35 are largely useless when our biggest enemy is Akbar and his RPG-7. On the bright side the Koreans might end up mounting an ETC gun in the K2 PIP. Probably won't, but they might.

God damn he is alive

[Strykla]

I thought you left NS.

Reports of my disappearance have been greatly exaggerated.

o:

[New Tarajan]

The Kingdom of New Tarajan now has definitively chosen the Mark VI Reaction as its new backbone MBT:



Producted in collaboration with the Arch Duchy of Purpelia (who takes all the credit).

[Purpelia]

I need to fix up some tank stats right now so I have a question. Does anyone have any good blueprints of a 140mm ETC or normal gun? Preferably with various stats like the thickness of the barrel (outer thickness) and stuff. Or if anyone has just the various stats that would work too. As I need them for my project.

[The Ninth Republic]

The Kingdom of New Tarajan now has definitively chosen the Mark VI Reaction as its new backbone MBT:

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Producted in collaboration with the Arch Duchy of Purpelia (who takes all the credit).

Simply amazing.

One minor quibble - how is the silly little gun on the back operated?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/ ... arison.jpg
Not great for actually scaling, but does give a sense of scale.

[Purpelia]

I don't really need scaling. I need data for a 3d model.

[Strykla]

I need to fix up some tank stats right now so I have a question. Does anyone have any good blueprints of a 140mm ETC or normal gun? Preferably with various stats like the thickness of the barrel (outer thickness) and stuff. Or if anyone has just the various stats that would work too. As I need them for my project.

I'm making a guess, a real blind, uneducated guess right here, without even looking at source material, but I'm thinking that a 140mm gun might be around 20 millimeters bigger than a 120mm gun. Please, don't take my word for it - Dostanuot would probably be able to give you far better answers. Hope this helps tho.

[Purpelia]

I need to fix up some tank stats right now so I have a question. Does anyone have any good blueprints of a 140mm ETC or normal gun? Preferably with various stats like the thickness of the barrel (outer thickness) and stuff. Or if anyone has just the various stats that would work too. As I need them for my project.

I'm making a guess, a real blind, uneducated guess right here, without even looking at source material, but I'm thinking that a 140mm gun might be around 20 millimeters bigger than a 120mm gun. Please, don't take my word for it - Dostanuot would probably be able to give you far better answers. Hope this helps tho.

And yet that tells me absolutely nothing about the outer thickness. As the outer thickness is a function of barrel diameter + the thickness of the barrel wall. And the later is my unknown value. Unless you firmly believe that the wall thickness can remain the same when the pressure rises by a factor of at the very least 1.4. Or that the wall is made out of monomolecular fiber.

[Strykla]

I'm making a guess, a real blind, uneducated guess right here, without even looking at source material, but I'm thinking that a 140mm gun might be around 20 millimeters bigger than a 120mm gun. Please, don't take my word for it - Dostanuot would probably be able to give you far better answers. Hope this helps tho.

And yet that tells me absolutely nothing about the outer thickness. As the outer thickness is a function of barrel diameter + the thickness of the barrel wall. And the later is my unknown value.

I was being sarcastic. Para's link is probably the best you will get without consulting experts like Dostanuot.

[The Kievan People]

Just find those diagrams of the Leclerc with the 140mm gun.

[Purpelia]

And yet that tells me absolutely nothing about the outer thickness. As the outer thickness is a function of barrel diameter + the thickness of the barrel wall. And the later is my unknown value.

I was being sarcastic. Para's link is probably the best you will get without consulting experts like Dostanuot.

And I was being extremely annoyed by your sarcasm.

[Yes Im Biop]

I'm making a guess, a real blind, uneducated guess right here, without even looking at source material, but I'm thinking that a 140mm gun might be around 20 millimeters bigger than a 120mm gun. Please, don't take my word for it - Dostanuot would probably be able to give you far better answers. Hope this helps tho.

And yet that tells me absolutely nothing about the outer thickness. As the outer thickness is a function of barrel diameter + the thickness of the barrel wall. And the later is my unknown value. Unless you firmly believe that the wall thickness can remain the same when the pressure rises by a factor of at the very least 1.4. Or that the wall is made out of monomolecular fiber.

Make it 10% thicker then if your making the round 10% bigger would be my guess/

[Indeos]

And yet that tells me absolutely nothing about the outer thickness. As the outer thickness is a function of barrel diameter + the thickness of the barrel wall. And the later is my unknown value. Unless you firmly believe that the wall thickness can remain the same when the pressure rises by a factor of at the very least 1.4. Or that the wall is made out of monomolecular fiber.

Make it 10% thicker then if your making the round 10% bigger would be my guess/

That's probably not how the physics work.

[Yes Im Biop]

Make it 10% thicker then if your making the round 10% bigger would be my guess/

That's probably not how the physics work.

Probably. But you never know...120 to 140 is 10% right...?

[Purpelia]

Not quite. But the logic is more or less sound. What I need to do is compare the pressure inside the barrel of the two weapons and scale up based on that. And very roughly speaking pressure grows with the volume of the propellant charge, the diameter and length of the barrel and a variety of other factors.

[Yes Im Biop]

Not quite. But the logic is more or less sound. What I need to do is compare the pressure inside the barrel of the two weapons and scale up based on that.

That i cant help you with, But i will bet its more than 10%.

[Indeos]

That's probably not how the physics work.

Probably. But you never know...120 to 140 is 10% right...?

No. No it isn't. Ten percent of 120 is 12. Seriously, how in the fuck do you get that wrong? (It's 16.67% or so, assuming my exhaustion-addled brain can still do simple math.)

[Yes Im Biop]

Probably. But you never know...120 to 140 is 10% right...?

No. No it isn't. Ten percent of 120 is 12. Seriously, how in the fuck do you get that wrong? (It's 16.67% or so, assuming my exhaustion-addled brain can still do simple math.)

Because i'm horrible at anything other than simple percents... And now i see my problem...Fuck. Anyway.