NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[The Germania Alliance]

I think we were both cruising with 'rule of cool.'

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

How big a fleet could I run on $54,926,005,987.19 using high-end MT/early PMT?
Also, my flagship is roughly a Queen Elizabeth Class super-carrier.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

This 'calculator' allows you to work out how large a fleet you could maintain assuming it was identical to the USN in quality and funding.
Since the USN is probably one of the most well-funded navies on Earth, it's probably a good benchmark.

[Kouralia]

Okay, here's my (almost finished) Battalion. This is a combined arms battalion, there are more specialised ones, however this is the most deployed formation.

4x Light Role Infantry Company

1x L.R. Company = 3 platoons and a command echelon, or:
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Platoon Command unit (6 men)
1x Comapny Command unit (4 men)
(all in Land Rovers)

4x Mechanised Infantry Company

1x Mech company = 3x mech platoons and command echelon, or:
3x platoons (78 men)
1x command echelon (4 men)
9x AMV w/ 27 crew
1x Ape w/ 3 crew

2x Airborne Infantry Company

1x Airborne COmpany = 2x Line Airborne Platoons, and one SpecWar platoon, or:
2x Platoons (52 men)
2x Chinooks w/ 8 crew
1x platoon (26 men)
3x Black Hawks w/ 12 crew
1x command echelon (4 men)

2x Armoured Company

1x Armoured Company = 3x Squadron, or:
9 Main Battle Tanks w/ 27 crew, and then
1 COmmand Vehicle w/ 5 men and
2x ARVs w/ 6 crew.

2x UAV Recon Detachment

1x UAV unit =
1x UAV COntrol Vehicle w/ 3 crew
1x ACTL UAV Transport w/ 3 crew
1x Generator Vehicle w/ 3 crew
1x Transport for Controllers w/ 6 crew

2x AAA Detachment

1x Air Defence Unit =
3x Mobile AAA w/ 9 men
3x ACTL Ammo Trucks w/ 9 men
1x Command vehicle w/ 8 men

2x Artillery Detachment

One detachment = 1 MLRS Battery and 2 AS90 Batteries, or:
1) 3x MLRS with 9 crew
3x ACTL Missle Transport w/ 9 crew
1x Command Vehicle w/ 7 crew

2)3x AS90 w/ 30 crew
2x ACTL Ammo transport w/ 6 crew
1x Co-ordination vehicle w/ 7 crew
3x Land Rovers, long Wheel-base.

2)3x AS90 w/ 30 crew
2x ACTL Ammo transport w/ 6 crew
1x Co-ordination vehicle w/ 7 crew
3x Land Rovers, long Wheel-base.

(I believe all 'crew member count ups' are for the total number of that type (e.g. 30 crew for 3 AS90s, not 30 crew for each of the 3 AS90s))

The above comes to 1,544 men, so is the remainign '356' men enough to crew the air support I'll need AND fulfill all support roles needed in a Battalion (cooks, medics, engineers, people driving things, signallers, mechanics etc.) when out in an FoB in a foreign nation?

[Immoren]

Okay, here's my (almost finished) Battalion. This is a combined arms battalion, there are more specialised ones, however this is the most deployed formation.

4x Light Role Infantry Company

1x L.R. Company = 3 platoons and a command echelon, or:
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Platoon Command unit (6 men)
1x Comapny Command unit (4 men)
(all in Land Rovers)

4x Mechanised Infantry Company

1x Mech company = 3x mech platoons and command echelon, or:
3x platoons (78 men)
1x command echelon (4 men)
9x AMV w/ 27 crew
1x Ape w/ 3 crew

2x Airborne Infantry Company

1x Airborne COmpany = 2x Line Airborne Platoons, and one SpecWar platoon, or:
2x Platoons (52 men)
2x Chinooks w/ 8 crew
1x platoon (26 men)
3x Black Hawks w/ 12 crew
1x command echelon (4 men)

2x Armoured Company

1x Armoured Company = 3x Squadron, or:
9 Main Battle Tanks w/ 27 crew, and then
1 COmmand Vehicle w/ 5 men and
2x ARVs w/ 6 crew.

2x UAV Recon Detachment

1x UAV unit =
1x UAV COntrol Vehicle w/ 3 crew
1x ACTL UAV Transport w/ 3 crew
1x Generator Vehicle w/ 3 crew
1x Transport for Controllers w/ 6 crew

2x AAA Detachment

1x Air Defence Unit =
3x Mobile AAA w/ 9 men
3x ACTL Ammo Trucks w/ 9 men
1x Command vehicle w/ 8 men

2x Artillery Detachment

One detachment = 1 MLRS Battery and 2 AS90 Batteries, or:
1) 3x MLRS with 9 crew
3x ACTL Missle Transport w/ 9 crew
1x Command Vehicle w/ 7 crew

2)3x AS90 w/ 30 crew
2x ACTL Ammo transport w/ 6 crew
1x Co-ordination vehicle w/ 7 crew
3x Land Rovers, long Wheel-base.

2)3x AS90 w/ 30 crew
2x ACTL Ammo transport w/ 6 crew
1x Co-ordination vehicle w/ 7 crew
3x Land Rovers, long Wheel-base.

(I believe all 'crew member count ups' are for the total number of that type (e.g. 30 crew for 3 AS90s, not 30 crew for each of the 3 AS90s))

The above comes to 1,544 men, so is the remainign '356' men enough to crew the air support I'll need AND fulfill all support roles needed in a Battalion (cooks, medics, engineers, people driving things, signallers, mechanics etc.) when out in an FoB in a foreign nation?

Seems more like brigade than battalion to me, if you are saying that those are all in same formation.

[Strykla]

Although they are not humanoids, I use my winged creatures mainly in recon.

I'm guessing you mean pegasi? I kind of...replaced light recon aircraft in my military with them.

I was looking at this a while back and the part pertaining to pegasi caught my attention. I had previously seen 'Sonic Rainboom' and at the climax I nearly yelled, "Dash should be paste!" Because really anything organic going over Mach 1 and turning a 90 degree angle is pretty much equivalent to anything organic going from Mach 1 to zero in about an inch. Even with the zero point ponies explanation, most of which was ridiculous, I was not fully convinced. But I cede the position for IC purposes and only in IC.

So what are the uses of pegasi as air support. Obviously they aren't as good as fighters; a Vulcan cannon alone is as large as them and they can't carry thousands of pounds of weapons. Heck, I doubt you could strap an MG on without compromising their abilities. So are they like backpack UAVs? Zero direct combat capabilities but good scouts?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

This 'calculator' allows you to work out how large a fleet you could maintain assuming it was identical to the USN in quality and funding.
Since the USN is probably one of the most well-funded navies on Earth, it's probably a good benchmark.

According to this I can feasibly field 193.4 million tonnes of blue water vessel. I think I may have fudged.
Can someone check my math and make sure I got this right?
21,124.91 GDP per capita
474,000,000 population
7% spending on defense

[Licana]

Even with the zero point ponies explanation, most of which was ridiculous, I was not fully convinced. But I cede the position for IC purposes and only in IC.

I don't think you've got a lot of room to claim things as "ridiculous", given some of your history.

Obviously they aren't as good as fighters; a Vulcan cannon alone is as large as them and they can't carry thousands of pounds of weapons.

Durr hurr.

Heck, I doubt you could strap an MG on without compromising their abilities.

Why is this? I could see one being able to heft a light, belt-fed MG mounted on their stomach.

So are they like backpack UAVs? Zero direct combat capabilities but good scouts?

This seems to be what they are stating, yes.

[Senestrum]

This 'calculator' allows you to work out how large a fleet you could maintain assuming it was identical to the USN in quality and funding.
Since the USN is probably one of the most well-funded navies on Earth, it's probably a good benchmark.

According to this I can feasibly field 193.4 million tonnes of blue water vessel. I think I may have fudged.
Can someone check my math and make sure I got this right?
21,124.91 GDP per capita
474,000,000 population
7% spending on defense

What portion of your defense spending goes towards your navy?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

According to this I can feasibly field 193.4 million tonnes of blue water vessel. I think I may have fudged.
Can someone check my math and make sure I got this right?
21,124.91 GDP per capita
474,000,000 population
7% spending on defense

What portion of your defense spending goes towards your navy?

Defense: N$549,260,059,871.88
Army Budget: N$329,556,035,923.13
Navy Budget: N$54,926,005,987.19
Air Force Budget: N$164,778,017,961.56
I have no idea what the actual percentages are.

[Immoren]

This seems to be what they are stating, yes.

Also in logistics/couriers for short(?) ranges due to their ability to seemingly levitate any carts they are pulling.
But I am not sure whether this kind of discussion belongs here.

[Senestrum]

What portion of your defense spending goes towards your navy?

Defense: N$549,260,059,871.88
Army Budget: N$329,556,035,923.13
Navy Budget: N$54,926,005,987.19
Air Force Budget: N$164,778,017,961.56
I have no idea what the actual percentages are.

You seem to have messed up somewhere.

I'm getting ~1.52 million tonnes.

[Crookfur]

Okay, here's my (almost finished) Battalion. This is a combined arms battalion, there are more specialised ones, however this is the most deployed formation.

4x Light Role Infantry Company

1x L.R. Company = 3 platoons and a command echelon, or:
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Infantry Section (24 men)
3x Platoon Command unit (6 men)
1x Comapny Command unit (4 men)
(all in Land Rovers)

4x Mechanised Infantry Company

1x Mech company = 3x mech platoons and command echelon, or:
3x platoons (78 men)
1x command echelon (4 men)
9x AMV w/ 27 crew
1x Ape w/ 3 crew

2x Airborne Infantry Company

1x Airborne COmpany = 2x Line Airborne Platoons, and one SpecWar platoon, or:
2x Platoons (52 men)
2x Chinooks w/ 8 crew
1x platoon (26 men)
3x Black Hawks w/ 12 crew
1x command echelon (4 men)

2x Armoured Company

1x Armoured Company = 3x Squadron, or:
9 Main Battle Tanks w/ 27 crew, and then
1 COmmand Vehicle w/ 5 men and
2x ARVs w/ 6 crew.

2x UAV Recon Detachment

1x UAV unit =
1x UAV COntrol Vehicle w/ 3 crew
1x ACTL UAV Transport w/ 3 crew
1x Generator Vehicle w/ 3 crew
1x Transport for Controllers w/ 6 crew

2x AAA Detachment

1x Air Defence Unit =
3x Mobile AAA w/ 9 men
3x ACTL Ammo Trucks w/ 9 men
1x Command vehicle w/ 8 men

2x Artillery Detachment

One detachment = 1 MLRS Battery and 2 AS90 Batteries, or:
1) 3x MLRS with 9 crew
3x ACTL Missle Transport w/ 9 crew
1x Command Vehicle w/ 7 crew

2)3x AS90 w/ 30 crew
2x ACTL Ammo transport w/ 6 crew
1x Co-ordination vehicle w/ 7 crew
3x Land Rovers, long Wheel-base.

2)3x AS90 w/ 30 crew
2x ACTL Ammo transport w/ 6 crew
1x Co-ordination vehicle w/ 7 crew
3x Land Rovers, long Wheel-base.

(I believe all 'crew member count ups' are for the total number of that type (e.g. 30 crew for 3 AS90s, not 30 crew for each of the 3 AS90s))

The above comes to 1,544 men, so is the remainign '356' men enough to crew the air support I'll need AND fulfill all support roles needed in a Battalion (cooks, medics, engineers, people driving things, signallers, mechanics etc.) when out in an FoB in a foreign nation?

As Immoren said thats more like a brigade or some kind of Battalion combat group/task force. Normally an infantry battalion only has one type of infantry and in british terms conssits of 3 ifnantry comapnies and a supprot company (which provides ATGM, mortar, recce and pioneer paltoons).

Even at Battle group and brigade level its unlikely that infantry types will be mixed unless it a specialist formation (i.e. 16 Air Assault brigade or there are budgetary issues).

I don't know if i've given you this link before but it cna be very helpful in seeing where things tend to fit:

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0013.html

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Defense: N$549,260,059,871.88
Army Budget: N$329,556,035,923.13
Navy Budget: N$54,926,005,987.19
Air Force Budget: N$164,778,017,961.56
I have no idea what the actual percentages are.

You seem to have messed up somewhere.

I'm getting ~1.52 million tonnes.

Eh. That works. That's still quite a few ships.

[Strykla]

Even with the zero point ponies explanation, most of which was ridiculous, I was not fully convinced. But I cede the position for IC purposes and only in IC.

I don't think you've got a lot of room to claim things as "ridiculous", given some of your history.

Obviously they aren't as good as fighters; a Vulcan cannon alone is as large as them and they can't carry thousands of pounds of weapons.

Durr hurr.

Heck, I doubt you could strap an MG on without compromising their abilities.

Why is this? I could see one being able to heft a light, belt-fed MG mounted on their stomach.

So are they like backpack UAVs? Zero direct combat capabilities but good scouts?

This seems to be what they are stating, yes.

Firstly, fucking sue me; I got the idea from my earlier days when I thought it worked better.
Second, what exactly is 'durr hurr'? You mean 'hurr durr'?
Third, I meant an MG that might do something other than send a few piffs of dirt at soldiers, or scuff up a plane. You might get away with a SAW but most certainly not with 7.62mm or higher. There's a reason planes don't use 5.56mm ammunition in their cannons. Giving pegasi them would just be like, "Oh, well, we have fliers, why not stap on a gun and see what happens"? At best, some injuries from strafing.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

What portion of your defense spending goes towards your navy?

Defense: N$549,260,059,871.88
Army Budget: N$329,556,035,923.13
Navy Budget: N$54,926,005,987.19
Air Force Budget: N$164,778,017,961.56
I have no idea what the actual percentages are.

Wait, so you're spending less than half the USN budget, and yet are able to field nearly 60 times as much tonnage of bluewater vessel? You must have gone wrong somewhere.

[Licana]

I meant an MG that might do something other than send a few piffs of dirt at soldiers, or scuff up a plane. You might get away with a SAW but most certainly not with 7.62mm or higher.

Weight: 10 kg (22 lb)
Length:40.89 in (1,039 mm)

Weight: 22.3 pounds (10.1 kg)
Length: 49.7 in (1,263 mm)

Weight 10.5 kg (23.15 lb)
Length 1,105 mm (43.5 in)

Yes, that whole extra pound and handful of inches are going to cause serious problems.

There's a reason planes don't use 5.56mm ammunition in their cannons.

It's a shame that magical flying horses aren't planes, otherwise your reasoning might make an iota of sense.

Giving pegasi them would just be like, "Oh, well, we have fliers, why not stap on a gun and see what happens"? At best, some injuries from strafing.

I wasn't aware machine gun fire resulted in effects best described as "some injuries." In fact, I'm pretty sure it generally results in "horrible death from sustained fire."

[Vitaphone Racing]

Apparently I can get a navy of 52 million tonnes.

This gives me room to operate 346 Queen Mary 2's. Excellent.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Apparently I can get a navy of 52 million tonnes.

This gives me room to operate 346 Queen Mary 2's. Excellent.

Equip them all with Agni-III missiles.
All of them.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Apparently I can get a navy of 52 million tonnes.

This gives me room to operate 346 Queen Mary 2's. Excellent.

Equip them all with Agni-III missiles.
All of them.

Skip the bush leagues and go straight for the CSS-4

[Strykla]

I meant an MG that might do something other than send a few piffs of dirt at soldiers, or scuff up a plane. You might get away with a SAW but most certainly not with 7.62mm or higher.

Weight: 10 kg (22 lb)
Length:40.89 in (1,039 mm)

Weight: 22.3 pounds (10.1 kg)
Length: 49.7 in (1,263 mm)

Weight 10.5 kg (23.15 lb)
Length 1,105 mm (43.5 in)

Yes, that whole extra pound and handful of inches are going to cause serious problems.

There's a reason planes don't use 5.56mm ammunition in their cannons.

It's a shame that magical flying horses aren't planes, otherwise your reasoning might make an iota of sense.

Giving pegasi them would just be like, "Oh, well, we have fliers, why not stap on a gun and see what happens"? At best, some injuries from strafing.

I wasn't aware machine gun fire resulted in effects best described as "some injuries." In fact, I'm pretty sure it generally results in "horrible death from sustained fire."

I wasn't talking about the weight of the weapon.

The M60 alone weighs, like you said, ten kilos. But it also fires at a rate of around 600 rounds per minute; sustained fire would require plenty of ammunition. And sustained fire results in plenty of recoil. It's hard enough to shoot while standing up, though possible. But while flying? I find myself doubtful of it's overall abilities. Plus, strafing. The A-10, for example, has a few-second window in which to fire its cannon before having to pull up or crash. Faster planes have a faster window. And any plane worth its salt will have a rotary, so single barrels will have a similar window but fewer rounds out. Sure, hovering might work, but having body armor and a machine gun is kind of hard for people to do while traveling supersonic. Let alone ponies.

And as for the injuries part, well, I've spoken to a few Marine friends about the whole 'tumbling' thing with the 5.56mm. They all agree that that doesn't really happen all that often. And you also have to be sure to issue the right ammunition for AP work; A tragic mistake was made in Mogadishu during Operation Gothic Serpent to issue AP ammo which went right through soft flesh. A single 5.56mm bullet wound, while potentially deadly, can be overcome. Punctured lungs have been survived; as have ruptured arteries and veins, etc.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Equip them all with Agni-III missiles.
All of them.

Skip the bush leagues and go straight for the CSS-4

*Agni-III plays the Accuracy Card*
*your player misses a turn*
*all your ships are belong to Poseidon*

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

*Agni-III plays the Accuracy Card*
*your player misses a turn*
*all your ships are belong to Poseidon*

Lol well played.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

*Agni-III plays the Accuracy Card*
*your player misses a turn*
*all your ships are belong to Poseidon*

Lol well played.

Very well played, the Agni-III can land two and a half tonnes of high explosive onto a 40m circle. CSS-4 can drop whatever hilarious warhead it mounts within a kilometre.

I was intending for AShM use, by the way

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Lol well played.

Very well played, the Agni-III can land two and a half tonnes of high explosive onto a 40m circle. CSS-4 can drop whatever hilarious warhead it mounts within a kilometre.

I was intending for AShM use, by the way

That's not sinking ships, that's obliterating them.