NS Military Realism Consultation Thread

[The UK in Exile]

Hmm, okay then.

Accuracy request still stands...

I always thought a platoon was a lieutenant's responsibility, captains got companies, majors and light colonels got batallions and full colonels got regiments....

Or was that wrong?

sort of, majors get companies. captain is 2ic. Lt colonels get Battalions, regimental colonels are either much higher ranking (general ranks) or honourary (the queen for example.)
this is because british regiments do not deploy as regiments.

[Bunny Haven]

i'm going to rp my nation as very young and nation's military as a having a very large enlistment but strapped for cash and having very uneven rations per division and few vehicles. The vehicles will have been only recently purchased used from other nations looking to upgrade to better stuff.

Enlisted personal will be divided between.
Army - 75%
Navy - 15%
Air-force - 5%
Special Ops - 5%

Army
1 M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS)
18 MOWAG Eagle 2 personal transport / patrol vessels
22 non-weaponized Simple Jeeps

Navy
1 Amphibious transport dock San Antonio class
4 small landing craft
2 anti ari fragate Horizon class
1 type 42 destoyrer - flagship
1 mutilpurposs corvette
12 fast patrol boats

Air-force
2 F-111F fighter bomber
5 Mirage III fighter / intercepter

any comments or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'large enlistment.' When I think enlistment I think contracted/volunteer soldiers but you're so strapped for cash that you have a problem acquiring food. On the face of it that's quite the conundrum. If your nation's military budget is so lacking it has trouble purchasing the simplest supplies why would they keep accepting contracts, why would your people find it an acceptable economic avenue? Food for thought.

Also, five percent in the 'Special Ops' seems dreadfully high. Take the U.S. for instance. They have about 2.2 million in the armed forces, and about 60,000 are a part of Special Operations Command. That's less than .1%; you should revise that number downwards.

You should probably nix the San Antonio LPD; you don't need it.

thank you
i had no idea about the special ops percentage and i was already toying with the idea of getting rid of the San Antonio, i think i will.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

i'm going to rp my nation as very young and nation's military as a having a very large enlistment but strapped for cash and having very uneven rations per division and few vehicles. The vehicles will have been only recently purchased used from other nations looking to upgrade to better stuff.

Enlisted personal will be divided between.
Army - 75%
Navy - 15%
Air-force - 5%
Special Ops - 5%

Army
1 M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS)
18 MOWAG Eagle 2 personal transport / patrol vessels
22 non-weaponized Simple Jeeps

Navy
1 Amphibious transport dock San Antonio class
4 small landing craft
2 anti ari fragate Horizon class
1 type 42 destoyrer - flagship
1 mutilpurposs corvette
12 fast patrol boats

Air-force
2 F-111F fighter bomber
5 Mirage III fighter / intercepter

any comments or suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

That is a lot of special forces.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

• Flashlight.
• Chemlight.
• IFAK.
• Canteen Cup.
• Earplugs.
• Internal Communications Radio
• 70 ounces of water in a second hydration bladder.
• Two Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs).
• Poncho and/or Bivy Sack.
• Poncho liner.
• Undershirt.
• Spare batteries.
• Two pair of socks.
• Polypropylene or silk long sleeve undershirt.
• Rifle Cleaning Kit.
• E-Tool.
• Personal hygiene kit.
• Sling rope with two snap links.

• Camouflage Uniform with Infrared Tape on left sleeve (1”x1”).
• Flag Patch
• Combat Boots.
• Dog Tags.
• ID Card.
• Undershirt.
• Socks.
• Tactical gloves.
• IR Night Vision Monocular Device.
• Boonie Hat.
• Rigger belt.
• Notebook and pen.
• Watch.
• Knee and elbow pads.
• Goggles or Glasses.
• Folding Knife/Multi-tool.
• 64 ounces of water in two 1-quart canteens.
• 100 ounces of water in a hydration bladder.
• Casualty and witness cards.
• Flex cuffs.

That look about right for a light combat loadout? I left out the weapons and ammo.

[Jagalonia]

• Flashlight.
• Chemlight.
• IFAK.
• Canteen Cup.
• Earplugs.
• Internal Communications Radio
• 70 ounces of water in a second hydration bladder.
• Two Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs).
• Poncho and/or Bivy Sack.
• Poncho liner.
• Undershirt.
• Spare batteries.
• Two pair of socks.
• Polypropylene or silk long sleeve undershirt.
• Rifle Cleaning Kit.
• E-Tool.
• Personal hygiene kit.
• Sling rope with two snap links.

• Camouflage Uniform with Infrared Tape on left sleeve (1”x1”).
• Flag Patch
• Combat Boots.
• Dog Tags.
• ID Card.
• Undershirt.
• Socks.
• Tactical gloves.
• IR Night Vision Monocular Device.
• Boonie Hat.
• Rigger belt.
• Notebook and pen.
• Watch.
• Knee and elbow pads.
• Goggles or Glasses.
• Folding Knife/Multi-tool.
• 64 ounces of water in two 1-quart canteens.
• 100 ounces of water in a hydration bladder.
• Casualty and witness cards.
• Flex cuffs.

That look about right for a light combat loadout? I left out the weapons and ammo.

I didn't give this a full look-through, but I sure as hell aren't carrying 2 cantines ontop of a camelback. Drop one of them. I suggest keeping the camelback.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

• Flashlight.
• Chemlight.
• IFAK.
• Canteen Cup.
• Earplugs.
• Internal Communications Radio
• 70 ounces of water in a second hydration bladder.
• Two Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs).
• Poncho and/or Bivy Sack.
• Poncho liner.
• Undershirt.
• Spare batteries.
• Two pair of socks.
• Polypropylene or silk long sleeve undershirt.
• Rifle Cleaning Kit.
• E-Tool.
• Personal hygiene kit.
• Sling rope with two snap links.

• Camouflage Uniform with Infrared Tape on left sleeve (1”x1”).
• Flag Patch
• Combat Boots.
• Dog Tags.
• ID Card.
• Undershirt.
• Socks.
• Tactical gloves.
• IR Night Vision Monocular Device.
• Boonie Hat.
• Rigger belt.
• Notebook and pen.
• Watch.
• Knee and elbow pads.
• Goggles or Glasses.
• Folding Knife/Multi-tool.
• 64 ounces of water in two 1-quart canteens.
• 100 ounces of water in a hydration bladder.
• Casualty and witness cards.
• Flex cuffs.

That look about right for a light combat loadout? I left out the weapons and ammo.

I didn't give this a full look-through, but I sure as hell aren't carrying 2 cantines ontop of a camelback. Drop one of them. I suggest keeping the camelback.

Actually you're right. I modeled this after America's Iraq loadout so there probably isn't a need for that much water in a temperate forest area.

[Jagalonia]

I didn't give this a full look-through, but I sure as hell aren't carrying 2 cantines ontop of a camelback. Drop one of them. I suggest keeping the camelback.

Actually you're right. I modeled this after America's Iraq loadout so there probably isn't a need for that much water in a temperate forest area.

I still don't understand why people post loadouts here, they're dependant entirely on the weather, and enviroment...

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Actually you're right. I modeled this after America's Iraq loadout so there probably isn't a need for that much water in a temperate forest area.

I still don't understand why people post loadouts here, they're dependant entirely on the weather, and enviroment...

This is only one loadout. More specifically it's my general purpose combat load that I'm going to use as model for my other loadouts.

[Jagalonia]

I still don't understand why people post loadouts here, they're dependant entirely on the weather, and enviroment...

This is only one loadout. More specifically it's my general purpose combat load that I'm going to use as model for my other loadouts.

The difference in loadouts can be imense though, you're not going to have near the same equipment between desert, arctic, or even jungle operations.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

This is only one loadout. More specifically it's my general purpose combat load that I'm going to use as model for my other loadouts.

The difference in loadouts can be imense though, you're not going to have near the same equipment between desert, arctic, or even jungle operations.

I plan on creating one for Temperate (forests, plains, highlands), Desert, Arctic, Mountain, and Jungle. It's going to take a while, but I want every meticulous detail of my military on paper. So to speak anyway.

[Jagalonia]

The difference in loadouts can be imense though, you're not going to have near the same equipment between desert, arctic, or even jungle operations.

I plan on creating one for Temperate (forests, plains, highlands), Desert, Arctic, Mountain, and Jungle. It's going to take a while, but I want every meticulous detail of my military on paper. So to speak anyway.

That sounds like too much work...lol.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

I plan on creating one for Temperate (forests, plains, highlands), Desert, Arctic, Mountain, and Jungle. It's going to take a while, but I want every meticulous detail of my military on paper. So to speak anyway.

That sounds like too much work...lol.

That's just baseline infantry. Then you've got snipers, designated marksman, AT units, Squad automatic, Dismounted units, special operations divisions, my as-of-yet unnamed super soldier program. Right now my factbook and combat doctrine are unorganized emaciated messes. They don't have nearly as much info as I want and it's not as neat as I'd like.

Factbook
CD Open to suggestions from anyone and everyone.

[Jagalonia]

That sounds like too much work...lol.

That's just baseline infantry. Then you've got snipers, designated marksman, AT units, Squad automatic, Dismounted units, special operations divisions, my as-of-yet unnamed super soldier program. Right now my factbook and combat doctrine are unorganized emaciated messes. They don't have nearly as much info as I want and it's not as neat as I'd like.

Factbook
CD Open to suggestions from anyone and everyone.

I could go through that and make suggestions.....Maybe when I'm more sober....

[Sevvania]

Military installations.

Namely forts. I need them. More specifically, functions for them. There are five major forts in Sevvania, and I have nothing more in-depth than "They're forts."

So, what could these forts be used for?

i.e. One of these forts is a training ground/federal depository.

[Allanea]

What forts are we talking about?

Are we talking abuot "a single-building fortress" or "arrangement of small bunkers and dots stretching for thousands of miles"?

[The Grand World Order]

America is spending only 5% and despite having a relatively poor welfare system it is dealing with a budget crisis.

You're a funny guy.

NOTE: I am well aware that the percentages are only of the US Government's budget. However, I wanted to point out that welfare programs account for much more of the debt than the military, and the US military overpays for anything anyways. There's also factors such as unemployment (caused by the huge outsourcing of labor, which in turn reduces purchasing power, which reduces revenue, which affects the government's ability to pay its debt) and corruption. I'm not advocating any sort of wank arguments by Greater Valencia/Urceo-Carthage, but the idea that the military is the primary causer of the Federal Deficit is bogus.


Additionally, I'd like to offer this to people wondering about organization. Sure, it's wikipedia, but APP-6A's not really a subjective thing.

[The Amyclae]

Military installations.

Namely forts. I need them. More specifically, functions for them. There are five major forts in Sevvania, and I have nothing more in-depth than "They're forts."

So, what could these forts be used for?

i.e. One of these forts is a training ground/federal depository.

What could modern forts be used for... Target practice, perhaps? It worked smashingly for the French at Dien Bien Phu.

[The UK in Exile]

Military installations.

Namely forts. I need them. More specifically, functions for them. There are five major forts in Sevvania, and I have nothing more in-depth than "They're forts."

So, what could these forts be used for?

i.e. One of these forts is a training ground/federal depository.

What could modern forts be used for... Target practice, perhaps? It worked smashingly for the French at Dien Bien Phu.

I'm not sure even the best efforts of La colonial, legion De estrange and french airborne compares to a purpose built fortification, more or less the entirety of dien bien phu was dug out by hand on both sides.

[Allanea]

Military installations.

Namely forts. I need them. More specifically, functions for them. There are five major forts in Sevvania, and I have nothing more in-depth than "They're forts."

So, what could these forts be used for?

i.e. One of these forts is a training ground/federal depository.

What could modern forts be used for... Target practice, perhaps? It worked smashingly for the French at Dien Bien Phu.

A great example. French casualties were between 1600a and 2200 dead, while Vietnamese casualties were between 4,000 and 22,000.

But there are far better examples of the use of fortifications in defense. The Battle for Damansky Island seems more appropriate here, or the Soviet regiment (whose name I cannot off-hand remember) that held its fort for 900 days of constant Mujahedin attacks in Afghanistan.

[Sevvania]

I suppose they'd be more along the lines of modern "forts," rather than the traditional sense of the word. Like Fort Knox, I suppose, but not quite to that degree. Maybe more of a military installation than a true fort.

[Sevvania]

I suppose they'd be more along the lines of modern "forts," being found within Sevvania itself, rather than the traditional sense of the word. Like Fort Knox, I suppose, but not quite to that degree. Maybe more of a military installation than a true fort.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Military installations.

Namely forts. I need them. More specifically, functions for them. There are five major forts in Sevvania, and I have nothing more in-depth than "They're forts."

So, what could these forts be used for?

i.e. One of these forts is a training ground/federal depository.

What could modern forts be used for... Target practice, perhaps? It worked smashingly for the French at Dien Bien Phu.

Dien Bien Phu is a bad example, the French were in a really shitty position. Depending on the terrain I suppose you could use a fort with an air base, some AA, and lots of artillery to control an area, however forts as we know them are largely obsolete. At best I would probably give them a fence or some small (8 feet tall, 2 feet wide or something) concrete or stone walls, and just use them as a regular military base. Regardless you will never have a use for concentric castles or Vauban style forts, the days of giant walls are long gone.

[The Amyclae]

What could modern forts be used for... Target practice, perhaps? It worked smashingly for the French at Dien Bien Phu.

A great example. French casualties were between 1600a and 2200 dead, while Vietnamese casualties were between 4,000 and 22,000.

But there are far better examples of the use of fortifications in defense. The Battle for Damansky Island seems more appropriate here, or the Soviet regiment (whose name I cannot off-hand remember) that held its fort for 900 days of constant Mujahedin attacks in Afghanistan.

Ah, right, since the French were able to kill more Vietnamese than the other way around, it must've been a victory; right? It must have been something other than one of France's most crushing defeats of the 20th Century! That thinking worked so well for Westmoreland.

Seriously, I don't know what you guys are all smoking. Forts are dead. Army manuals haven't incorporated the use of of them in... Almost a century now.

Someone feel free to correct me, but the last field manual that addressed the issue of fortifications was from '85 and even then it's merely entitled 'survivability.' Defensive fortifications are seen as a tactical advantage, and there is literally no inclination to turn back the clock to strategic emplacements.

Link

[The Reliquary]

A great example. French casualties were between 1600a and 2200 dead, while Vietnamese casualties were between 4,000 and 22,000.

But there are far better examples of the use of fortifications in defense. The Battle for Damansky Island seems more appropriate here, or the Soviet regiment (whose name I cannot off-hand remember) that held its fort for 900 days of constant Mujahedin attacks in Afghanistan.

Ah, right, since the French were able to kill more Vietnamese than the other way around, it must've been a victory; right? It must have been something other than one of France's most crushing defeats of the 20th Century! That thinking worked so well for Westmoreland.

Seriously, I don't know what you guys are all smoking. Forts are dead. Army manuals haven't incorporated the use of of them in... Almost a century now.

Someone feel free to correct me, but the last field manual that addressed the issue of fortifications was from '85 and even then it's merely entitled 'survivability.' Defensive fortifications are seen as a tactical advantage, and there is literally no inclination to turn back the clock to strategic emplacements.

Link

What is an FOB/Platoon 'house' if it isn't a fort?

[The Amyclae]

Ah, right, since the French were able to kill more Vietnamese than the other way around, it must've been a victory; right? It must have been something other than one of France's most crushing defeats of the 20th Century! That thinking worked so well for Westmoreland.

Seriously, I don't know what you guys are all smoking. Forts are dead. Army manuals haven't incorporated the use of of them in... Almost a century now.

Someone feel free to correct me, but the last field manual that addressed the issue of fortifications was from '85 and even then it's merely entitled 'survivability.' Defensive fortifications are seen as a tactical advantage, and there is literally no inclination to turn back the clock to strategic emplacements.

Link

What is an FOB/Platoon 'house' if it isn't a fort?

I'm just going to use Wikipedia as signpost here: "Forts in modern usage often refer to space set aside by governments for a permanent military facility."

Is there something permanent about a FOB-Platoon 'house' that I don't know about?