NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Anoviana]

Anovian infantry units are highly trained, during a 4 week program and after graduation, are sent into the field of battle to serve Anoviana. Soldiers are equipped with the latest uniforms, which use the BATTLENET Combat equipment network

Basic infantry armor

CQC Pointman armor

Marksman armor

Precision Sniper/Recon armor

Weaponry
Anovian soldiers use many tactical rifles in battle, which utilize the latest technology and systems.

The basic Anovian soldiers use the HK G56, the standard battle rifle.

Some soldiers use the AC-556 Assault Carbine

Marksmen use the Mk. 14 rifle

And snipers use the PR-87 Precision rifle

[Triplebaconation]

Why?

Because the projectile needs to be centered, if one rail is pulling in a direction there needs to be another to counter act its force or else the projectile will veer towards the direction of the rail.

Eh...no.

1) The rails will try very hard to repel each other. Hence, they need to be secured to each other very strongly. If they're only secured at one end they'll tend to open up like a pair of scissors.

2) Any railgun worth having, especially a "shattercannon," will vaporize the propelling armature into plasma. If the rails are open to the breeze the plasma will just fart out the sides.

3) It will get dirt in it.

Anovian infantry units are highly trained, during a 4 week program and after graduation, are sent into the field of battle to serve Anoviana. Soldiers are equipped with the latest uniforms, which use the BATTLENET Combat equipment network

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Basic infantry armor

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CQC Pointman armor

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Marksman armor

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Precision Sniper/Recon armor

Weaponry
Anovian soldiers use many tactical rifles in battle, which utilize the latest technology and systems.

The basic Anovian soldiers use the HK G56, the standard battle rifle.

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Some soldiers use the AC-556 Assault Carbine

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Marksmen use the Mk. 14 rifle

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And snipers use the PR-87 Precision rifle

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I'm not sure how anyone can learn to use all those useless doodads in 4 weeks, and that's actually a pretty crappy ghillie suit.

I will break my general rule about commenting on PMG just to note how silly the "Mk. 14" rifle's bayonet is.

[New Visegrad]

1) The rails will try very hard to repel each other. Hence, they need to be secured to each other very strongly. If they're only secured at one end they'll tend to open up like a pair of scissors.

Fair enough. I'll add a securing ring on the rail tips.

2) Any railgun worth having, especially a "shattercannon," will vaporize the propelling armature into plasma. If the rails are open to the breeze the plasma will just fart out the sides.

The idea here is that the casing vaporizes from atmospheric resistance shortly after it leaves the rails. If it gets plasmafied while in contact with the rails, you're going to have more issues with the rails melting than with plasma spread.

3) It will get dirt in it.

The part with the mechanical bits is enclosed, precisely to avoid getting dirt in it. In fact, with the rail assembly in front of it, I imagine it's less likely to get dirt in it than a long barrel, since if you accidentally poke the ground, you can just wipe it off the rail tips instead of having a long narrow tube it can fall down and get stuck in.

[Purpelia]

I have taken all your input into consideration and designed a new stock for my Rifle Felix 1890. I want to know if this one is any good.
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[Triplebaconation]

1) The rails will try very hard to repel each other. Hence, they need to be secured to each other very strongly. If they're only secured at one end they'll tend to open up like a pair of scissors.

Fair enough. I'll add a securing ring on the rail tips.

2) Any railgun worth having, especially a "shattercannon," will vaporize the propelling armature into plasma. If the rails are open to the breeze the plasma will just fart out the sides.

The idea here is that the casing vaporizes from atmospheric resistance shortly after it leaves the rails. If it gets plasmafied while in contact with the rails, you're going to have more issues with the rails melting than with plasma spread.

3) It will get dirt in it.

The part with the mechanical bits is enclosed, precisely to avoid getting dirt in it. In fact, with the rail assembly in front of it, I imagine it's less likely to get dirt in it than a long barrel, since if you accidentally poke the ground, you can just wipe it off the rail tips instead of having a long narrow tube it can fall down and get stuck in.

The armature is vaporized by current, not by the atmosphere. This actually decreases friction (and rail erosion) significantly.

The pressures in a railgun assembly are comparable to conventional firearms. What do you think happens if you shoot a gun with a slit barrel?

Dirt, or even dust, in the rails is not good. That should be obvious. There's no way an open assembly can be kept clean enough to avoid detrimental effects.

[Purpelia]

Speaking of railguns, would it be possible to create one that encloses the rails in a sort of jacket on both sides that acts both to aid heat dissipation and as a barrel. As in, take a gun barrel, rifling and all, screw the rails onto the outside of it, screw another, wider barrel on the other side of the rails, plug the front, load with liquid nitrogen.

[Spirit of Hope]

Speaking of railguns, would it be possible to create one that encloses the rails in a sort of jacket on both sides that acts both to aid heat dissipation and as a barrel. As in, take a gun barrel, rifling and all, screw the rails onto the outside of it, screw another, wider barrel on the other side of the rails, plug the front, load with liquid nitrogen.

If its a rail gun the rails have to be in contact with the projectile. However you could integrate the rails into the rifled barrel. Or you could instead mean a coil gun with the coil mechanism in the position you described the rails above. Of course you would have to make the barrels here non magnetic, otherwise they would interfere with the firing mechanism for the whole thing.

[Purpelia]

Speaking of railguns, would it be possible to create one that encloses the rails in a sort of jacket on both sides that acts both to aid heat dissipation and as a barrel. As in, take a gun barrel, rifling and all, screw the rails onto the outside of it, screw another, wider barrel on the other side of the rails, plug the front, load with liquid nitrogen.

If its a rail gun the rails have to be in contact with the projectile. However you could integrate the rails into the rifled barrel. Or you could instead mean a coil gun with the coil mechanism in the position you described the rails above. Of course you would have to make the barrels here non magnetic, otherwise they would interfere with the firing mechanism for the whole thing.

Obviously, but the general idea sounds more sound to me than having the rails exposed to open air.

Also, what about my rifle stock?

[Triplebaconation]

Speaking of railguns, would it be possible to create one that encloses the rails in a sort of jacket on both sides that acts both to aid heat dissipation and as a barrel. As in, take a gun barrel, rifling and all, screw the rails onto the outside of it, screw another, wider barrel on the other side of the rails, plug the front, load with liquid nitrogen.

No.

Speaking of railguns, would it be possible to create one that encloses the rails in a sort of jacket on both sides that acts both to aid heat dissipation and as a barrel. As in, take a gun barrel, rifling and all, screw the rails onto the outside of it, screw another, wider barrel on the other side of the rails, plug the front, load with liquid nitrogen.

If its a rail gun the rails have to be in contact with the projectile. However you could integrate the rails into the rifled barrel. Or you could instead mean a coil gun with the coil mechanism in the position you described the rails above. Of course you would have to make the barrels here non magnetic, otherwise they would interfere with the firing mechanism for the whole thing.

It's too early in the morning to even think about how spinning would interact with the Lorenz force. Not to mention arcing in the rifling grooves.

Rifling a coil gun won't work either.

[Imperializt Russia]

That is how basically every hollow point works. The BT just happened to be one of the better HP designs. It goes by the SXT now and is different in appearance by color only ("Same eXact Thing").

Yeah, so I gathered from the wiki. The only real difference I was thinking was the bars would provide the additional wounding power, rather than the flattening of the round like a traditional hollowpoint. It's a moot point anyway.

The bars probably provide rigidity to the mushroomoid shape after deformation, which would offer more consistent wounding characteristics and maximise the surface area of it.

Plus it would probably have a psychological effect.
When you know your enemy is using this,

They're going to be terrified.

I always thought that 9x19 was too powerful for straight blowback? Was the VP just a fluke or were WWII loadings just really weak?

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"Too powerful"?
The Thompson M1 was in .45

[Aethal]

I have taken all your input into consideration and designed a new stock for my Rifle Felix 1890. I want to know if this one is any good.
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I looks exceedingly Swiss; I like it.

[New Visegrad]

The armature is vaporized by current, not by the atmosphere. This actually decreases friction (and rail erosion) significantly.

The pressures in a railgun assembly are comparable to conventional firearms. What do you think happens if you shoot a gun with a slit barrel?

Dirt, or even dust, in the rails is not good. That should be obvious. There's no way an open assembly can be kept clean enough to avoid detrimental effects.

In a modern railgun it's done by the current, maybe. Is there a major reason (bearing in mind FT superconductors and low-friction coatings) that I can't design one that vaporizes post-launch?

I think...you get some sideways blast effects and screw up the rifling? A railgun already has pretty severe recoil shock, I think venting some of the pressure horizontally might actually mitigate it a bit.

How detrimental are these effects? Isn't dust just going to get immolated by the EM shock and passing projectile anyway? Wouldn't a thorough wipe with a damp cloth along the rail edges get rid of anything big enough to cause a problem?

[Triplebaconation]

I suppose you can handwave all sorts of things if you want a gun that looks like a relish fork.

[Yupun]

Firearms/Weapons: (1950 A.D. - 2050 A.D.)

*9K38 Igla (Anti-Air)
*Bolt-Action Rifle (Arisaka Type 99)
-Cartridge: 7.62x63mm
-Fire Modes: Bolt-Action
*Bullpup Assault Rifle (Krebs AK-15)
-Cartridge: 7.62x39mm
-Fire Modes: 3 Burst & Semi-Auto
*Bullpup Battle Rifle (Krebs AK-15)
-Cartridge: 7.62x51mm
-Fire Modes: 2 Burst & Semi-Auto
*Bullpup Carbine (Krebs AK-15)
-Cartridge: 7.62x39mm
-Fire Modes: Full-Auto & Semi-Auto
*Bullpup Infantry Automatic Rifle (Krebs AK-15)
-Cartridge: 7.62x51mm
-Fire Modes: Full-Auto & Semi-Auto
*Bullpup Personal Defense Weapon (Krebs AK-15)
-Cartridge: 5.56x45mm
-Fire Modes: Full-Auto & Semi-Auto
*Bullpup Submachine Gun (Nambu Type 100)
-Cartridge: 7.62x25mm
-Fire Modes: Full-Auto & Semi-Auto
*RPG-7V2 (Anti-Tank)
*Snubnosed Revolver (Phillips & Rogers)
-Cartridge: 7.62x25mm Or 7.62x39mm
-Fire Modes: Double-Action

Firearms/Weapons Accessories: (1975 A.D. - 2050 A.D.)

*Angled Foregrip (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW & BSMG)
*Bayonet (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW & BSMG)
*Bipod (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW & BSMG)
*Flashlight (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW, BSMG & SR)
*Grenade Launcher (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW & BSMG)
*Laser Sight (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW, BSMG & SR)
*Reflector Sight (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW, BSMG & SR)
*Telescopic Sight 4x Zoom (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW, BSMG & SR)
*Telescopic Sight Variable Zoom (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW & BSMG)
*Vertical Foregrip (B-AR, BAR, BBR, BC, BIAR, BPDW, BSMG & SR)

Firearms/Weapons Upgrades: (1975 A.D. - 2050 A.D.)

*Bolt-Action Rifle (M14 Flash Suppressor)
*Bullpup Assault Rifle (AK-103 Muzzle Brake)
*Bullpup Battle Rifle (AK-103 Muzzle Brake)
*Bullpup Carbine Rifle (AK-103 Muzzle Brake)
*Bullpup Infantry Automatic Rifle (AK-103 Muzzle Brake)
*Bullpup Personal Defense Weapon (M4A1 Integrated Suppressor)
*Bullpup Submachine Gun (AK-103 Muzzle Brake)
*Snubnosed Revolver (AK-103 Muzzle Brake)
*STANAG Magazine Compatibility (5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm & 7.62x51mm)
*Weapon Modifications (Bullbup, Caliber Conversion & Picatinny Rail)

[Crookfur]

I'm still not getting why you are taking handbuilt more or less custom AKs and using them as a base for a bullpup conversion when it would be much easier and simplier to just do a ground up bullpup AK design. Furthermore unless you desperatly need magazine compatibility with an allied M16 user there isn't much point in using so called 5.56mm STANAG magazines when AK pattern ones exist. A STANAG adaptor only really makes sense if you live in the US, already have an AR with a bajillion mags and want your AK to be "different".

The revolver thing whilst possible agains seems to make bugger all sense. A 7.62x39mm revolver is a nice toy for people who like to play around with firearms and do things "because they can" but its not something thats of any military use.

Finally i'm not really seeing the point in the various lists of accesories and tiny modifications.

[Purpelia]

Here is a revised image of my rifle, now with a new trigger and trigger guard aside from the stock. Is this any good?
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[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I guess firing a 7.62x39 mm from a snub-nosed revolver leads to this sort of things, as burning powder spews everywhere including back at the shooters face. Also nice IR and visible light cue. Also this, see the amount of burning gases issuing from the chambers? Now try that with a bullet with about 1.4 times as much powder and twice to 2.5 times as much pressure.

[Yes Im Biop]

Yeah, so I gathered from the wiki. The only real difference I was thinking was the bars would provide the additional wounding power, rather than the flattening of the round like a traditional hollowpoint. It's a moot point anyway.

The bars probably provide rigidity to the mushroomoid shape after deformation, which would offer more consistent wounding characteristics and maximise the surface area of it.

Plus it would probably have a psychological effect.
When you know your enemy is using this,

They're going to be terrified.

I always thought that 9x19 was too powerful for straight blowback? Was the VP just a fluke or were WWII loadings just really weak?

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"Too powerful"?
The Thompson M1 was in .45

Holy fucking hell... OUCH

[San-Silvacian]

Anovian infantry units are highly trained, during a 4 week program and after graduation, are sent into the field of battle to serve Anoviana. Soldiers are equipped with the latest uniforms, which use the BATTLENET Combat equipment network

(Image)

Basic infantry armor

(Image)

CQC Pointman armor

(Image)

Marksman armor

(Image)

Precision Sniper/Recon armor

Weaponry
Anovian soldiers use many tactical rifles in battle, which utilize the latest technology and systems.

The basic Anovian soldiers use the HK G56, the standard battle rifle.

(Image)

Some soldiers use the AC-556 Assault Carbine

(Image)

Marksmen use the Mk. 14 rifle

(Image)

And snipers use the PR-87 Precision rifle

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Anyone who has tried to do any kind of slightly intense movements with allot of headgear is going to say no fuck you.

Also 4 weeks? BCT in the US Army is 10 weeks, then you have AIT or OSUT. iirc infantrymen OSUT is 13 weeks.

[New Visegrad]

I suppose you can handwave all sorts of things if you want a gun that looks like a relish fork.

Look, I realize a lot of my stuff runs on pure bullshit, but I want it to be good bullshit, not just "lol handwaved cuz i said so". If there's a significant chance, which you can prove via theoretical research or actual experiments, that the open design will cause a serious performance drop, I will, reluctantly, change it. Plausibility means a lot to me, even if it's only plausible in that it looks like it should theoretically work.

But if the only counter-argument that can't be fixed with tweaks to other elements of the design is "I think it looks like a relish fork", well, that's just not happening. I happen to like that look.

[The Soodean Imperium]

I suppose you can handwave all sorts of things if you want a gun that looks like a relish fork.

Look, I realize a lot of my stuff runs on pure bullshit, but I want it to be good bullshit, not just "lol handwaved cuz i said so". If there's a significant chance, which you can prove via theoretical research or actual experiments, that the open design will cause a serious performance drop, I will, reluctantly, change it. Plausibility means a lot to me, even if it's only plausible in that it looks like it should theoretically work.

But if the only counter-argument that can't be fixed with tweaks to other elements of the design is "I think it looks like a relish fork", well, that's just not happening. I happen to like that look.

The main "scientific" problem I keep seeing with this is that the armature vaporizes after it leaves the barrel, but is unaffected while it's running through it. Bear in mind, I know next to nothing about railguns (or regular firearms for that matter), but iirc what causes the armature to vaporize is the intense electric current running through it - which means (i) it will definitely "want" to vaporize while traveling down the barrel, and (ii) once it's left the barrel there's nothing left that would make it vaporize.

Again, I know very little about firearms in MT or FT, but somehow that seems like saying "I eliminated muzzle flash by using powder that doesn't ignite until after the bullet has left the barrel."

[New Visegrad]

The main "scientific" problem I keep seeing with this is that the armature vaporizes after it leaves the barrel, but is unaffected while it's running through it. Bear in mind, I know next to nothing about railguns (or regular firearms for that matter), but iirc what causes the armature to vaporize is the intense electric current running through it - which means (i) it will definitely "want" to vaporize while traveling down the barrel, and (ii) once it's left the barrel there's nothing left that would make it vaporize.

Again, I know very little about firearms in MT or FT, but somehow that seems like saying "I eliminated muzzle flash by using powder that doesn't ignite until after the bullet has left the barrel."

It's not that it's unaffected by the charge, it's just that it doesn't properly "burn through" and expose the flechettes inside until it's left the rails and encountered more serious atmospheric friction. So the current sort of softens it up, then the friction heat finishes up the process.


(Of note but not super relevant: in non-Shattercannon railgun designs, the Active Projectile is not enclosed by the armature, and so is also vaporized in flight, except for the antimatter containment capsule built into it, which is designed to fail on impact.)

[Yupun]

I'm still not getting why you are taking handbuilt more or less custom AKs and using them as a base for a bullpup conversion when it would be much easier and simplier to just do a ground up bullpup AK design. Furthermore unless you desperatly need magazine compatibility with an allied M16 user there isn't much point in using so called 5.56mm STANAG magazines when AK pattern ones exist. A STANAG adaptor only really makes sense if you live in the US, already have an AR with a bajillion mags and want your AK to be "different".

The revolver thing whilst possible agains seems to make bugger all sense. A 7.62x39mm revolver is a nice toy for people who like to play around with firearms and do things "because they can" but its not something thats of any military use.

Finally i'm not really seeing the point in the various lists of accesories and tiny modifications.

Well the guns are manifactured from scratch but is unlicensed copies and same goes for the parts from the multiple sources, also the reason for using a AK-15 is cause it has many features from the AR-15 such as mag release and bolt release when a new mag is inserted. The revolver is mostly in 7.62x25mm but the spec ops forces likes the 7.62x39mm only cause it has more power. Also i did keep in mind how cheap it would be to produce, infact much of the guns have same parts and mostly same bullets the only weird ones out is the 5.56x45mm PDW & the 7.62x63mm Bolt-Action Rifle.

I guess firing a 7.62x39 mm from a snub-nosed revolver leads to this sort of things, as burning powder spews everywhere including back at the shooters face. Also nice IR and visible light cue. Also this, see the amount of burning gases issuing from the chambers? Now try that with a bullet with about 1.4 times as much powder and twice to 2.5 times as much pressure.

Well it mostly depends on what gun powder that was used many likes to create their own gun powder while others use factory standard, also using sub-sonic rounds are also a option. ^_^

[Purpelia]

The revolver is mostly in 7.62x25mm but the spec ops forces likes the 7.62x39mm only cause it has more power. Also i did keep in mind how cheap it would be to produce, infact much of the guns have same parts and mostly same bullets the only weird ones out is the 5.56x45mm PDW & the 7.62x63mm Bolt-Action Rifle.

Rifle rounds have more power than pistol rounds by having heavier bullets and more propellant. More propellant needs longer barrels to burn completely and give you that extra power. Thus if you fire a rifle round from a handgun the only thing you will get is a bigger muzzle flash, more recoil and no more power.

[Aethal]

Well, instead of a needlefire weapon, I shall make a "local model" of the nightwatch for use by the UPDF Varanger units fighting under the banner of New Visegrad.