The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, L5A1

[The balkens]

Hey look some war hammer
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I wonder if i drive it into a heretics skull from Orbit.

or if its for the non-WH40K armies?

[Azurg]

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v. nice

I thought you were against ornate uniforms and the like?

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Would it still make sense to break an armoured infantry section into 600m and 300m fireteams, or should they be broken as the section leader sees fit? Or would a two man MG group, grenadier, marksman and three riflemen be better?

[Kouralia]

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What's the difference between the different types of soldiers? I guess Fusilier is 'basic infantry'? I must say I approve of traditional naming methods and the good art.

[Yukonastan]

v. nice

I thought you were against ornate uniforms and the like?

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Would it still make sense to break an armoured infantry section into 600m and 300m fireteams, or should they be broken as the section leader sees fit? Or would a two man MG group, grenadier, marksman and three riflemen be better?

oy arch
get the waffenfabrik up again

and sell trg manuals


As far as I break my armored infantry sections, not saying it's decidedly smart, but take my normal ten-man squad, and cut out one grenadier and fireteam. This drops it to seven. This is the dismount section. Now the vehicle has a driver and a vehicle commandergunner that takes over the role of suppression, allowing the machine gun section to maneuver more to compensate.

Squad

Squad leader(Generally commands IFV)

Squad marksman

MG section

--- Squad machine gunner

--- Machine gun loader

Squad grenadier

Fireteam

--- Rifleman

--- Rifleman

Fighting vehicle

--- Driver

--- Commander / gunner (Acts as fireteam leader)

[Azurg]

oy arch
get the waffenfabrik up again

Once the wretched drywall is up. Me Mums got this plan to finish the bulk of downstairs renovations by mid November, and there's still a lot of ground to cover. After that it's the upstairs, which'll need to be done before January to fit schedule.

and sell trg manuals

Dafuq?

As far as I break my armored infantry sections, not saying it's decidedly smart, but take my normal ten-man squad, and cut out one grenadier and fireteam. This drops it to seven. This is the dismount section. Now the vehicle has a driver and a vehicle commandergunner that takes over the role of suppression, allowing the machine gun section to maneuver more to compensate.

Squad

Squad leader(Generally commands IFV)

Squad marksman

MG section

--- Squad machine gunner

--- Machine gun loader

Squad grenadier

Fireteam

--- Rifleman

--- Rifleman

Fighting vehicle

--- Driver

--- Commander / gunner (Acts as fireteam leader)

Hmm. Not bad all told, although I think a two man fireteam a tad too small.

[Kouralia]

Kouralian Armoured Infantry Section (#3 Section, #4 Platoon):

1st Fireteam (Callsign: *Battalion*-Lima-One-Three-Charlie):

• Section Commander - Corporal - Armed with assault rifle, rifle grenades and disposable 84mm AT Rocket.
• Rifleman - Private - Armed with AR, RGs, and disposable fire-and-forget 150mm ATGM
• Grenadier - Private - Armed with AR, Under-Barrel Munitions Discharger, and 84mm ATR.
• Gunner - Private - Armed with General-Service Support Weapon (GPMG/LMG), and 84mm ATR.

2nd Fireteam (Callsign: *Battalion*-Lima-One-Three-Delta):

• Section 2IC - Lance-Corporal - Armed with AR, RGs, and 84mm ATR.
• Rifleman - Private - Armed with AR, RGs, and 150mm ATGM
• Grenadier - Private - Armed with AR, UBMD, and 84mm ATR.
• Gunner - Private - Armed with GSSW, and 84mm ATR.

Vehicle Crew (Callsign: *Battalion*-Lima-One-Three-Victor):

• Vehicle Commander - Corporal - Armed with AR.
• Gunner - Private - Armed with AR.
• Driver - Private - Armed with AR.

[The balkens]

BALKEN KAISERLICHE HEER PANZERGRENIDER SQUAD

Need some help with this one, i'm afraid.

such as squad sizing. As far as i know a PUMA seats can seat 6.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

BALKEN KAISERLICHE HEER PANZERGRENIDER SQUAD

Need some help with this one, i'm afraid.

such as squad sizing. As far as i know a PUMA seats can seat 6.

With or without turret? I'm guessing with.

[Azurg]

Kouralian Armoured Infantry Section (#3 Section, #4 Platoon):

That's another layout I was considering, minus the ATGMs, and replacing the GPMGs with drum fed HK11E.

[The balkens]

BALKEN KAISERLICHE HEER PANZERGRENIDER SQUAD

Need some help with this one, i'm afraid.

such as squad sizing. As far as i know a PUMA seats can seat 6.

With or without turret? I'm guessing with.

with turret.

[Vancon]

Kouralian Armoured Infantry Section (#3 Section, #4 Platoon):

1st Fireteam (Callsign: *Battalion*-Lima-One-Three-Charlie):

• Section Commander - Corporal - Armed with assault rifle, rifle grenades and disposable 84mm AT Rocket.
• Rifleman - Private - Armed with AR, RGs, and disposable fire-and-forget 150mm ATGM
• Grenadier - Private - Armed with AR, Under-Barrel Munitions Discharger, and 84mm ATR.
• Gunner - Private - Armed with General-Service Support Weapon (GPMG/LMG), and 84mm ATR.

2nd Fireteam (Callsign: *Battalion*-Lima-One-Three-Delta):

• Section 2IC - Lance-Corporal - Armed with AR, RGs, and 84mm ATR.
• Rifleman - Private - Armed with AR, RGs, and 150mm ATGM
• Grenadier - Private - Armed with AR, UBMD, and 84mm ATR.
• Gunner - Private - Armed with GSSW, and 84mm ATR.

Vehicle Crew (Callsign: *Battalion*-Lima-One-Three-Victor):

• Vehicle Commander - Corporal - Armed with AR.
• Gunner - Private - Armed with AR.
• Driver - Private - Armed with AR.

L13C
L13D
L13V

V=D
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Coincidence? I think not.

[Yukonastan]

oy arch
get the waffenfabrik up again

Once the wretched drywall is up. Me Mums got this plan to finish the bulk of downstairs renovations by mid November, and there's still a lot of ground to cover. After that it's the upstairs, which'll need to be done before January to fit schedule.

and sell trg manuals

Dafuq?

Training manuals.

*snip*
Hmm. Not bad all told, although I think a two man fireteam a tad too small.

The grenadier for all practical purposes is part of the fireteam he/she's attached to, despite administratively being a separate "fireteam".

So, while administratively the fireteams are each two people, in practical use a fireteam is three.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

With or without turret? I'm guessing with.

with turret.

MG
Assistant
Rocketeer

Grenadier
Rifleman
Squad leader

[The balkens]

with turret.

MG
Assistant
Rocketeer

Grenadier
Rifleman
Squad leader

thanks.

[Chebucto Provinces]

Looking again at Chebucto infantry stuff.

Up until the mid 1980s the Army uses an FN FAL based infantry small arms family in 7.62x51mm, pretty much as Canada did. In the 1970s a replacement is developed locally using the new NATO standard 5.56mm round, but it is not adopted until 1984 when it enters service as the C7 Self Loading Rifle.

The C7 SLR will replace the C1A1 SLR in infantry service starting in early 1985. The C2A1 Auto-Loading Rifle will continue as the squad support weapon until 1992 when a special variant of the C7 will be developed as the C8 Auto-Loading Rifle. C13 is the M72 LAW. C15 is the Spike-MR.

C1 Pistol is the Browning Hi-Power. C8A1 SLR is a marksman conversion of the C8 LMG. C6 is the FN MAG. C11 is a 40mm under barrel grenade launcher.
The infantry platoon is the basic fighting formation of the infantry. It consists of two rifle sections and a machine gun section, as well as the platoon HQ.

Platoon HQ:
- Platoon IC: C7 SLR, C1 Pistol
- Platoon 2IC: C7 SLR, C1 Pistol
-- RTO: C7 SLR
-- Medic: C7 SLR

2x Rifle Sections:
- Sec Leader: C7 SLR, C1 Pistol
-- Marksman: C8A1 SLR, C1 Pistol
- Team Lead: C7 SLR, C11 UBGL
-- Gunner: C8 ALR
-- Rifleman: C7 SLR, C13 Rocket
-- Rifleman: C7 SLR, C13 Rocket
- Team Lead: C7 SLR, C11 UBGL
-- Gunner: C8 ALR
-- Rifleman: C7 SLR, C13 Rocket
-- Rifleman: C7 SLR, C13 Rocket

Machine Gun Section:
- Sec Leader: C7 SLR, C1 Pistol
-- AT Gunner: C15 ATGM
- Team Lead: C7 SLR, C11 UBGL
-- Gunner: C6 GPMG
-- Asst.Gunner: C7 SLR
- Team Lead: C7 SLR, C11 UBGL
-- Gunner: C6 GPMG
-- Asst.Gunner: C7 SLR

Since 1997 the MG Section of each infantry platoon has had an open selection of weapon systems with cross-training. While still formally applied as a machine gun section, the section can deploy with an array of weapons ranging from 40mm grenade machine guns to 60mm light mortars and other crew served weapons. The issue and use of these weapons is up to the platoon commander.

All infantry are light infantry by default, and the platoon can either walk, parachute, or ride into battle. Trucks and other light vehicles can be used, as well as various protected infantry carriers provided by the Machine Gun Corps.

[Immoren]

BALKEN KAISERLICHE HEER PANZERGRENIDER SQUAD

Need some help with this one, i'm afraid.

such as squad sizing. As far as i know a PUMA seats can seat 6.

Vehicle crew

vehicle commander
driver
Gunner

Fire team

Squad leader/grenadier
Automatic rifleman
rifleman/Anti-tank gunner

Fire team

fire team leader/grenadier
Automatic rifleman
rifleman/Anti-tank gunner

*nods*

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Immoren isn't an ungodly proportion of Finland's military mechanized?

[Yukonastan]

Immoren isn't an ungodly proportion of Finland's military mechanized?

Most of my :not:Finnish military is, disregarding the armored portion(IFVs in place of APCs, ditch one FT and one grenadier) and not a lot more than two fireteams worth of infantry that has to march.

[Vancon]

Is almost total mechanisation a bad thing? other then fuel prices?

[Immoren]

Immoren isn't an ungodly proportion of Finland's military mechanized?

Current war time mobilization according to wiki is
Operational units:

3 Readiness Brigades (Jaeger Brigade 2005 type)
2 Jaeger Brigades (Jaeger Brigade 91 type)
2 Mechanized Battle Groups
2 Motorized Battle Groups
1 Helicopter Battalion
1 Special Forces Battalion (Erikoisjääkäripataljoona)
1 Anti-Aircraft formation

Regional units:

6 Infantry Brigades (Infantry Brigade 80 type)
14 Independent Battalions and Battle Groups
28 Local Defence units and Volunteer reserve units (Maakuntajoukot)

1 readiness brigade is mechanized with mix of CV90 and XA-series
1 readiness brigade is mechanized with mix of AMV and XA-series
1 readiness brigade is mechanized with Bandvagn style vehicles
1 jaeger brigade is mechanized with XA-series of vehicles
1 jaeger brigade is mechanized with Bandvagn style vehicles
mechanized battlegroups are on BMP-2s and MT-LBs
Motorized battlegroups are on MT-LBs

There is X number of regional battlegroups with XA-series vehicles, but they are in minority and I am not sure how many, but most of regional units move in trucks, tracktors, vans or on foot.

[San-Silvacian]

v. nice

I thought you were against ornate uniforms and the like?

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Would it still make sense to break an armoured infantry section into 600m and 300m fireteams, or should they be broken as the section leader sees fit? Or would a two man MG group, grenadier, marksman and three riflemen be better?

I am but Gallia makes me wet.

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Your squads are always already done IRL by the French.

[Gallia-]

gay~

[Azurg]

I am but Gallia makes me wet.

Now it all makes sense.

Not only are you a reptilian Illuminati double agent sent by Max to quash our superior military thinking, but you're also pushing your secret homo agenda! The truth will be reveled!

Your squads are always already done IRL by the French.

How d'you mean?

[Korva]

I am but Gallia makes me wet.

Now it all makes sense.

Your squads are always already done IRL by the French.

How d'you mean?

The French have 300m and 600m teams in their squads.

[Azurg]

The French have 300m and 600m teams in their squads.

I know. Where d'you think I got the idea?

I was fairly certain San meant "all ur squad r dun by French."