What is the main military weapon of your country?

[Crookfur]

Hey guys made a submachine gun.


The SMG7 is a conventional machine pistol as far as our weapons go (straight blowback, cased ammunition, etc, etc.), and it will accept any rail-mounted sight. Chambered in 9mm armor-pierecing Parabellum (ooc: whatever the hell Luger Para the PP2000 uses), the magazine is stored in the plastic handguard. A later revision may include integrated ironsights, but as of now it is speculation.

Coloration is for our navy and Riot Control officers. Different coloration, is of course, available.

Looks reasonable if a little bulky for my tastes. Of course it would help if the magazine curved the right way.

The current crop of russian psitols and SMGs will fire 9mm parabellum (9x19mm NATO) quite happily but are generally beefed up a bit to allow the safe firing of the higher pressure 7N21 and 7N31 loadings. You probably could get away with using the russian HP rounds in a gun that is fairly beefy but not specially designed for them but i doubt anyone would recomend it.


Oh on your G-11ish weapon there are various reasons to use eletric priming/ignition with caseless weapons system but there is the issue that the hammer/firing pin part of the G-11 is actually one of the mechanically simplier parts. Also the G-11 style mechanism doesn't lend itself to particularly long rounds essepcially ones of the length required for decent flechettes, you would better with an Steyr ACR or LSAT style action. Materials wise you really want tungsten alloys for your flechettes, anythign else and you liekly end up with a projectile that is too light and very susceptable to cross winds.

[Satirius]

Hey guys made a submachine gun.


The SMG7 is a conventional machine pistol as far as our weapons go (straight blowback, cased ammunition, etc, etc.), and it will accept any rail-mounted sight. Chambered in 9mm armor-pierecing Parabellum (ooc: whatever the hell Luger Para the PP2000 uses), the magazine is stored in the plastic handguard. A later revision may include integrated ironsights, but as of now it is speculation.

Coloration is for our navy and Riot Control officers. Different coloration, is of course, available.

Looks reasonable if a little bulky for my tastes. Of course it would help if the magazine curved the right way.

The current crop of russian psitols and SMGs will fire 9mm parabellum (9x19mm NATO) quite happily but are generally beefed up a bit to allow the safe firing of the higher pressure 7N21 and 7N31 loadings. You probably could get away with using the russian HP rounds in a gun that is fairly beefy but not specially designed for them but i doubt anyone would recomend it.


Oh on your G-11ish weapon there are various reasons to use eletric priming/ignition with caseless weapons system but there is the issue that the hammer/firing pin part of the G-11 is actually one of the mechanically simplier parts. Also the G-11 style mechanism doesn't lend itself to particularly long rounds essepcially ones of the length required for decent flechettes, you would better with an Steyr ACR or LSAT style action. Materials wise you really want tungsten alloys for your flechettes, anythign else and you liekly end up with a projectile that is too light and very susceptable to cross winds.

Yeah, it looked uglier with the mag the other way though. Oh well, next revision would have them facing the right way. And besides, scale-wise it's comparable with an MP7.

As for the rifle, I tried to address the issue by using a propellant that doesn't take up too much space, using high explosive instead of the traditional powder so you have more dart and less propellant. I used tungsten in the back, but I'm taking to a hollowed iron tip (prone to splintering) with a heavy alkali metal (potassium or caesium) so that I could negate the non-tumble of the flechette by making the round burn. If using high explosive is impossible, I'll retcon so that it "tips over" instead of dropping into a spinning breech, and still eject downward.

[Solyhniya]

As for thermite, I guess every round could double as a tracer, and once its fuse runs out the dart would likely vaporize, but by then it would be out of effective range, so oh well.

I use thermite rounds with a battle rifle I designed a while ago (not a great one; the concept was better than the PMG version, hence I'm remaking it) yet my thermite rounds were for the sake of damage and AP rather than for tracing. The reaction doesn't occur until the bullet collides with an obstacle and the reactionary force is great enough to collapse the metal sealing the reactants from each other. Nice rifle, by the way!

The UAWC has an experimental personal defense weapon, as an option to those in the Union who want something else.

The R4-P3 submachine gun is a bit larger than the UAWC's other personal defense weapons despite its bullpup design. It fires the 5.7x28mm round from a magazine of 40. It features a two-stage trigger, and can fire either semi-auto, or fully automatic at 1000 RPM. Because of its bullpup design, it has a very long barrel. This combined with the PDW round it uses means very long range by SMG standards and a high degree of accuracy. The R4-P3 is also fully ambidextrous and highly modular. While this likely won't replace any current weapons in service, it's another choice for Union citizens when deciding which kind of firearm they'd like.

That is massive, and therefore anything but a PDW. It's a little too big for an SMG, to be honest. And anyway, why waste all that space on a round as weak as the 5.7? You don't exactly need to save space so use the 5.56 or something!

Hey guys made a submachine gun.


The SMG7 is a conventional machine pistol as far as our weapons go (straight blowback, cased ammunition, etc, etc.), and it will accept any rail-mounted sight. Chambered in 9mm armor-pierecing Parabellum (ooc: whatever the hell Luger Para the PP2000 uses), the magazine is stored in the plastic handguard. A later revision may include integrated ironsights, but as of now it is speculation.

Coloration is for our navy and Riot Control officers. Different coloration, is of course, available.

Now THIS is more like it! If I didn't already have a load of SMG designs stashed away, ready to be posted, I'd be buying this!

Again, it's a little big, especially for firing 9s, but since you've said that they're +P+ anyway, I think it's cool that the mag fits in the pistol grip.

Overall, one of the most imaginative and generally good-looking designs I've seen - ever.

[Satirius]

As for thermite, I guess every round could double as a tracer, and once its fuse runs out the dart would likely vaporize, but by then it would be out of effective range, so oh well.

I use thermite rounds with a battle rifle I designed a while ago (not a great one; the concept was better than the PMG version, hence I'm remaking it) yet my thermite rounds were for the sake of damage and AP rather than for tracing. The reaction doesn't occur until the bullet collides with an obstacle and the reactionary force is great enough to collapse the metal sealing the reactants from each other. Nice rifle, by the way!

PMG has a Flickr gallery of insanely talented kids and I was inspired.

As for the thermite, I was thinking that the rifle would use a regular tracer powder, and as it collides you would have the fuse still burning (it's supposed to last for .7 seconds, and since it's a flechette, the better part of a mile), which is not kept separate from the (fully mixed) thermite. It would then burn a little more for a fraction of the second before the thermite begins to burn. Having it as the entire filling is actually a neat idea, though. To make it cheaper, too, I should probably up the caliber to somewhere in the sixes so that the rounds don't need as much precision engineering.

[Uawc]

The UAWC has an experimental personal defense weapon, as an option to those in the Union who want something else.

The R4-P3 submachine gun is a bit larger than the UAWC's other personal defense weapons despite its bullpup design. It fires the 5.7x28mm round from a magazine of 40. It features a two-stage trigger, and can fire either semi-auto, or fully automatic at 1000 RPM. Because of its bullpup design, it has a very long barrel. This combined with the PDW round it uses means very long range by SMG standards and a high degree of accuracy. The R4-P3 is also fully ambidextrous and highly modular. While this likely won't replace any current weapons in service, it's another choice for Union citizens when deciding which kind of firearm they'd like.

No opinions, then?

[Crookfur]

Hey guys made a submachine gun.


The SMG7 is a conventional machine pistol as far as our weapons go (straight blowback, cased ammunition, etc, etc.), and it will accept any rail-mounted sight. Chambered in 9mm armor-pierecing Parabellum (ooc: whatever the hell Luger Para the PP2000 uses), the magazine is stored in the plastic handguard. A later revision may include integrated ironsights, but as of now it is speculation.

Coloration is for our navy and Riot Control officers. Different coloration, is of course, available.

Looks reasonable if a little bulky for my tastes. Of course it would help if the magazine curved the right way.

The current crop of russian psitols and SMGs will fire 9mm parabellum (9x19mm NATO) quite happily but are generally beefed up a bit to allow the safe firing of the higher pressure 7N21 and 7N31 loadings. You probably could get away with using the russian HP rounds in a gun that is fairly beefy but not specially designed for them but i doubt anyone would recomend it.


Oh on your G-11ish weapon there are various reasons to use eletric priming/ignition with caseless weapons system but there is the issue that the hammer/firing pin part of the G-11 is actually one of the mechanically simplier parts. Also the G-11 style mechanism doesn't lend itself to particularly long rounds essepcially ones of the length required for decent flechettes, you would better with an Steyr ACR or LSAT style action. Materials wise you really want tungsten alloys for your flechettes, anythign else and you liekly end up with a projectile that is too light and very susceptable to cross winds.

Yeah, it looked uglier with the mag the other way though. Oh well, next revision would have them facing the right way. And besides, scale-wise it's comparable with an MP7.

As for the rifle, I tried to address the issue by using a propellant that doesn't take up too much space, using high explosive instead of the traditional powder so you have more dart and less propellant. I used tungsten in the back, but I'm taking to a hollowed iron tip (prone to splintering) with a heavy alkali metal (potassium or caesium) so that I could negate the non-tumble of the flechette by making the round burn. If using high explosive is impossible, I'll retcon so that it "tips over" instead of dropping into a spinning breech, and still eject downward.

With a Flechette it is the projectile rather than the propellant charge that determines the length of the "round" and I had assumed that you had "telescoped" the propellant around the projectile, also with caseless ammunition a high explosive based propellant is pretty much a given, if only for thier thermal stability. A decent flechette is going to be about 60mm long at the least and trying to work that into a rotating breach will end up in a very bulky gun.

Really the sort of thigns you are tryign to do will just scrafice the projectiels ballsitic and penetraing effects in exchange for some very dubious benfits. You might want to look into PELE or ALP ammunition but I have my doubts if that sort of thing will scale down effectively.

[Satirius]

Hey guys made a submachine gun.


The SMG7 is a conventional machine pistol as far as our weapons go (straight blowback, cased ammunition, etc, etc.), and it will accept any rail-mounted sight. Chambered in 9mm armor-pierecing Parabellum (ooc: whatever the hell Luger Para the PP2000 uses), the magazine is stored in the plastic handguard. A later revision may include integrated ironsights, but as of now it is speculation.

Coloration is for our navy and Riot Control officers. Different coloration, is of course, available.

Looks reasonable if a little bulky for my tastes. Of course it would help if the magazine curved the right way.

The current crop of russian psitols and SMGs will fire 9mm parabellum (9x19mm NATO) quite happily but are generally beefed up a bit to allow the safe firing of the higher pressure 7N21 and 7N31 loadings. You probably could get away with using the russian HP rounds in a gun that is fairly beefy but not specially designed for them but i doubt anyone would recomend it.


Oh on your G-11ish weapon there are various reasons to use eletric priming/ignition with caseless weapons system but there is the issue that the hammer/firing pin part of the G-11 is actually one of the mechanically simplier parts. Also the G-11 style mechanism doesn't lend itself to particularly long rounds essepcially ones of the length required for decent flechettes, you would better with an Steyr ACR or LSAT style action. Materials wise you really want tungsten alloys for your flechettes, anythign else and you liekly end up with a projectile that is too light and very susceptable to cross winds.

Yeah, it looked uglier with the mag the other way though. Oh well, next revision would have them facing the right way. And besides, scale-wise it's comparable with an MP7.

As for the rifle, I tried to address the issue by using a propellant that doesn't take up too much space, using high explosive instead of the traditional powder so you have more dart and less propellant. I used tungsten in the back, but I'm taking to a hollowed iron tip (prone to splintering) with a heavy alkali metal (potassium or caesium) so that I could negate the non-tumble of the flechette by making the round burn. If using high explosive is impossible, I'll retcon so that it "tips over" instead of dropping into a spinning breech, and still eject downward.

With a Flechette it is the projectile rather than the propellant charge that determines the length of the "round" and I had assumed that you had "telescoped" the propellant around the projectile, also with caseless ammunition a high explosive based propellant is pretty much a given, if only for thier thermal stability. A decent flechette is going to be about 60mm long at the least and trying to work that into a rotating breach will end up in a very bulky gun.

Really the sort of thigns you are tryign to do will just scrafice the projectiels ballsitic and penetraing effects in exchange for some very dubious benfits. You might want to look into PELE or ALP ammunition but I have my doubts if that sort of thing will scale down effectively.

The Steyr ACR has a 45mm dart, but I see your point. Retcon into simple caseless ammo is beginning now.

Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

[Imitora]

I kinda like the older design better, almost enough to generally consider the "mag on top" bullpup.

[Nolstafvia]

Well without any more information of the shape of the case etc and assuming that these use conventional cartridge designs i would put rough guesses at:

6.9x48mm SPD: sitting at the upper end of the "intermediate rifle" class possibley at the lower end of the full power rifle class, probabaly performing about the same as some of the rounds from the post war .280 series, possibly closest to the 7x49mm Liviano adopted by Venezuela.

9.48x48mmL: Sound like a necked out variant of the above round probabaly designed as a specialist short to medium range round possibly desinged to be laoded with very heavy bullets to be fired at subsonic velocities from specialist discrete weapons. Likely similar in useage to the likes of 9x39mm and .338 whisper

9.48x119mm: Specialist long range anti personnel round, case length does seem to indicate an attempt at some anti material capability but likely stretching things too much for the calibre. I would probably recomend shortening the case to blow 100mm as otherwise you are likely into the "overbore" region where your round simply does have "piston area" to make full use of the propellant load leading to massive barrel wear, enourmous muzzle flash and other mechanical issues. I would expect this to be in the same sort of region as rounds such as 9x90mm MEN, .416 barrett and .408 Chey-tac

Ah, I see. One thing however, the description for my 9.48x48mmL is incorrect, as it actually utilizes a high powered liquid propellant, condensing the power of a longer cartridge into a smaller package. Though as the normal 9.48x48mmS, it fits quite well. Also, the 9.48x119mm was only a example, and not actually a standard round. The only round we employ of that length would be the 14.5x119mm Hammer.

((No one commented on my reply, so I decided to revive it))

[Sharada]

just a Sh*t-load of tanks
About 1300 of these.

About 1300 of these!

And abot 950 of the up-armoured version

[Uawc]

-snip-
Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

While I honestly think that's a nice weapon, I fail to see how this doesn't get called bulky while the Union's main assault rifle, the FM-BHAR does.

[Noders]

just a Sh*t-load of tanks
About 1300 of these.

About 1300 of these!

And abot 950 of the up-armoured version

ISRAEL SAYS BYE BYE

[Fanaglia]

-snip-
Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

While I honestly think that's a nice weapon, I fail to see how this doesn't get called bulky while the Union's main assault rifle, the FM-BHAR does.

It's called ergonomics. The grip on your rifle is almost as high as your stock and it's angled sharply forward. Unless you're firing like .22LR, prepare to break wrists. Satirius' rifle looks heavy as hell, but at least it looks a lot more comfortable to hold.

[Uawc]

-snip-
Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

While I honestly think that's a nice weapon, I fail to see how this doesn't get called bulky while the Union's main assault rifle, the FM-BHAR does.

It's called ergonomics. The grip on your rifle is almost as high as your stock and it's angled sharply forward. Unless you're firing like .22LR, prepare to break wrists. Satirius' rifle looks heavy as hell, but at least it looks a lot more comfortable to hold.

The grip and stock were directly based off of the P90's. Would you say the same thing of that PDW?

[Techno-Soviet]

-snip-
Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

While I honestly think that's a nice weapon, I fail to see how this doesn't get called bulky while the Union's main assault rifle, the FM-BHAR does.

It's called ergonomics. The grip on your rifle is almost as high as your stock and it's angled sharply forward. Unless you're firing like .22LR, prepare to break wrists. Satirius' rifle looks heavy as hell, but at least it looks a lot more comfortable to hold.

The grip and stock were directly based off of the P90's. Would you say the same thing of that PDW?

A .22LR is a 5.6x15mm bullet. The P90 fires a 5.7x28mm round.

[Fanaglia]

-snip-
Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

While I honestly think that's a nice weapon, I fail to see how this doesn't get called bulky while the Union's main assault rifle, the FM-BHAR does.

It's called ergonomics. The grip on your rifle is almost as high as your stock and it's angled sharply forward. Unless you're firing like .22LR, prepare to break wrists. Satirius' rifle looks heavy as hell, but at least it looks a lot more comfortable to hold.

The grip and stock were directly based off of the P90's. Would you say the same thing of that PDW?

I actually realize my mistake on criticizing the forward slant of the grip -- I spoke too quickly and was actually about to revise it when you ninja'd me and responded to it before I could fix it, lol. My apologies for that.

Anyway, aside from that, your ergos would still suck -- the P90 is half the size of your rifle and fires much smaller rounds. Also, I think I'm making an understandable assumption that because your rifle uses a more traditional feed system, the recoil will be more like a regular bullpup rifle, rather than the little bit a P90 has.

[Station 12]

[guns]

Is it just me, or are these designs reminiscent of Mass Effect?

Well, mainly the first one because it's blue.

[Uawc]

-snip-
Also, I've revised it a bit, too.

While I honestly think that's a nice weapon, I fail to see how this doesn't get called bulky while the Union's main assault rifle, the FM-BHAR does.

It's called ergonomics. The grip on your rifle is almost as high as your stock and it's angled sharply forward. Unless you're firing like .22LR, prepare to break wrists. Satirius' rifle looks heavy as hell, but at least it looks a lot more comfortable to hold.

The grip and stock were directly based off of the P90's. Would you say the same thing of that PDW?

I actually realize my mistake on criticizing the forward slant of the grip -- I spoke too quickly and was actually about to revise it when you ninja'd me and responded to it before I could fix it, lol. My apologies for that.

Anyway, aside from that, your ergos would still suck -- the P90 is half the size of your rifle and fires much smaller rounds. Also, I think I'm making an understandable assumption that because your rifle uses a more traditional feed system, the recoil will be more like a regular bullpup rifle, rather than the little bit a P90 has.

Okay, that's understandable. I've asked our most esteemed weapons designers to work on it, they should be coming up with a new version/revision/what have you soon.

[Solyhniya]

The UAWC has an experimental personal defense weapon, as an option to those in the Union who want something else.

The R4-P3 submachine gun is a bit larger than the UAWC's other personal defense weapons despite its bullpup design. It fires the 5.7x28mm round from a magazine of 40. It features a two-stage trigger, and can fire either semi-auto, or fully automatic at 1000 RPM. Because of its bullpup design, it has a very long barrel. This combined with the PDW round it uses means very long range by SMG standards and a high degree of accuracy. The R4-P3 is also fully ambidextrous and highly modular. While this likely won't replace any current weapons in service, it's another choice for Union citizens when deciding which kind of firearm they'd like.

No opinions, then?

I commented before. Read my stuff, dammit!

[Satirius]

[guns]

Is it just me, or are these designs reminiscent of Mass Effect?

Well, mainly the first one because it's blue.

No, just inspired off of the ones found here. I got them from the MP-15 and the G41 designs there, except the ridiculous amounts of blending. I swear, I've never even touched Mass Effect.

[Uawc]

The UAWC has an experimental personal defense weapon, as an option to those in the Union who want something else.

The R4-P3 submachine gun is a bit larger than the UAWC's other personal defense weapons despite its bullpup design. It fires the 5.7x28mm round from a magazine of 40. It features a two-stage trigger, and can fire either semi-auto, or fully automatic at 1000 RPM. Because of its bullpup design, it has a very long barrel. This combined with the PDW round it uses means very long range by SMG standards and a high degree of accuracy. The R4-P3 is also fully ambidextrous and highly modular. While this likely won't replace any current weapons in service, it's another choice for Union citizens when deciding which kind of firearm they'd like.

No opinions, then?

I commented before. Read my stuff, dammit!

My bad, let me go back and check.

[Gimmadonis]

[guns]

Is it just me, or are these designs reminiscent of Mass Effect?

Well, mainly the first one because it's blue.

No, just inspired off of the ones found here. I got them from the MP-15 and the G41 designs there, except the ridiculous amounts of blending. I swear, I've never even touched Mass Effect.

Satirius should get an award for sexiest weapons to ever come out of Pimp My Gun. God, those are awesome.

[Uawc]

The UAWC has an experimental personal defense weapon, as an option to those in the Union who want something else.

The R4-P3 submachine gun is a bit larger than the UAWC's other personal defense weapons despite its bullpup design. It fires the 5.7x28mm round from a magazine of 40. It features a two-stage trigger, and can fire either semi-auto, or fully automatic at 1000 RPM. Because of its bullpup design, it has a very long barrel. This combined with the PDW round it uses means very long range by SMG standards and a high degree of accuracy. The R4-P3 is also fully ambidextrous and highly modular. While this likely won't replace any current weapons in service, it's another choice for Union citizens when deciding which kind of firearm they'd like.

That is massive, and therefore anything but a PDW. It's a little too big for an SMG, to be honest. And anyway, why waste all that space on a round as weak as the 5.7? You don't exactly need to save space so use the 5.56 or something!

The idea was to make a PDW with a high rate of fire, lots of lead delivery on target, but low recoil and high accuracy with good range. The cost is, well...its bulk. Using 5.56 would screw up our logistics because it's not a standard round for us. Using 7.62x39mmC would be a good idea if the recoil and whatnot didn't bum rape the whole idea of accuracy and range.

But thanks for the healthy criticism.

[Chernobyl-Pripyat]

experimented with the AM-99 again, this time in bullpup configuration. It now has an ambidextrous non-reciprocating charging handle.




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[Uawc]

experimented with the AM-99 again, this time in bullpup configuration. It now has an ambidextrous non-reciprocating charging handle.




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I like you peoples! I like bullpup! IT'S NICE.