Argument Thread OOC Future Tech Only

[Travellerius]

OK, I know it's FT and stuff, and I don't have a problem with teleportation and such, but light-speed really grinds my gears.

If matter were to travel at light speed Its length would become infinite and its width would become zero. This means that you would fill the entire universe and beyond at the same time as not existing whatsoever, (MAJOR PARADOX, WOULD DESTROY THE FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE AND CONFUSE EVERYONE). and faster than light speed is just out of the question. OK, so lets just say you go 1km per hour less than light speed (you would still die, but I'll let it pass in this situation). If you travelled a light-year and back at this speed, taking you around 2 years, when you come back it will feel like you have only been away 2 years and in fact you HAVE been away 2 years, but to Earth, you will have been gone many times that.

So please just teleport and save yourself having to explain some complicated time-bending and physics-defying technology.

I second this, and beside the point teleportation is so much more efficient. Get there in minutes where an FTL drive would take months!

So....how does one teleport, then? I assume it will not involce physics defying technology or systematic destruction and recreation of members of your race every time they teleport?

That is plausible, teleportation would probably done by exact cloning (and I mean scarily exact), which would be possible with some nano-bots and the right materials, then the correct ethical procedure would be to destroy the original. Or induce a wormhole... and try to go through it (I have no idea how you would test technology that would be able to get you through a wormhole because you wouldn't be able to tell if it had come out:
1. where you wanted it
2. if it had actually come out large enough to be visible
3. when you actually want it (Wormholes would bend time with their huge gravity, and could possibly send you to a parallel universe)

[The Fedral Union]

Wormholes =/= black holes which is what your thinking about.

[The Tavan Race]

Wormholes =/= black holes which is what your thinking about.

Yes, I am pretty sure a wormhole doesn't have any gravitational force at all. It's just a linking between two separate points in space-time. Not really very dangerous, I wouldn't think.

[Travellerius]

Wormholes =/= black holes which is what your thinking about.

It does depend, some wormhole theories would be traversable while some are basically black holes. But yes, exotic matter would enable you to get through one..... theoretically that is. I dibs not trying it first.

[Sertian]

One type of 'wormhole' machine I had seen designed by an actual physicist (mind you, this is using theoretical theory to create a time traveling device) worked by assuming you could isolate a pair of wormholes linked together from quantum foam, and then use negative energy or whatever to enlarge their holes to proportions you could work with and stabilize them (there was something else involving a particle accelerator... I think that was used to smash together atoms and create the wormholes?). With the enlarged, usable wormholes you can tug one into the surface of a neutron star and then time on that side of the wormhole will move much slower to time on your side. ^_^

But seriously, yeah. All you need to be able to make wormholes 'usable' is somehow create dark/negative/whatever energy to stabilize a wormhole/enlarge it. And if Quantum Foam is right and microscopic wormholes are common, have fun!

[The Tavan Race]

Wormholes =/= black holes which is what your thinking about.

It does depend, some wormhole theories would be traversable while some are basically black holes. But yes, exotic matter would enable you to get through one..... theoretically that is. I dibs not trying it first.

Yep, works fine for us. Although we never did get the first few ships we tried this with back... They are probably adrift somewhere in the cosmos. Ah, well. A few deaths are fine so long as they are in the name of SCIENCE!

[Travellerius]

... and then use negative energy or whatever to enlarge their holes to proportions you could work with and stabilize them...

That's what she said.

[North Mack]

...Did I really just read people going "FTL travel is just absurd, but I can create, stabilize, maintain, and utilize person sized wormholes wherever I want"?

[The Tavan Race]

...Did I really just read people going "FTL travel is just absurd, but I can create, stabilize, maintain, and utilize person sized wormholes wherever I want"?

Yes. Well, not create, but the last three.

[The Fedral Union]

*Has person sized wormholes* But that's mostly for mass transit and teleportation

[Alpha Imperium (Ancient)]

Meh.

[Cyber Utopia]

If matter were to travel at light speed Its length would become infinite and its width would become zero.

Source? Not being picky, I'm genuinely interested

[The Fedral Union]

To have matter travel a light speed requires infinite energy, and that matter will also attain infinite mass, why do you think the faster something travels the harder it hits? Because its mass increases exponentially the faster it goes. Its impossible to accelerate matter passed or at C with out some FTL drive.

[Lemonius]

What are we talking about now? How to travel between wormholes or something?

[The Tavan Race]

What are we talking about now? How to travel between wormholes or something?

Or the validity of this prospect in general. Not as if it really matters, though.

[Khandosia]

It's more a matter of style for me. I like the image of vertical steam engines transporting passengers to huge train stations...IN SPACE. C'mon, admit it. It'd look awesome.

Only as long as the passengers are all wearing penguin suits, bowler hats, and have monocles while sipping tea delicately from good china.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ

I actually fell out of my seat laughing at that one. Nice!

[Ozymos]

...Did I really just read people going "FTL travel is just absurd, but I can create, stabilize, maintain, and utilize person sized wormholes wherever I want"?

Yes. Well, not create, but the last three.

What is this I don't even.

[Solar Communes]

Solarian FTL travel is not simply absurd, it is soul-devouringly absurd.

And also the reason why the first contact they ever had with another FT NS involved Chronosia.

[Derscon]

So I've got a blank cheque to use ooc dislike to attack, invade, not trade with regardless of their ic actions ? So for example Hue just said "I wont rp with you because you treated sert bad" (regardless of sert bitching about something not having to do with NS but never mind that). That amounts to an ignore right? So IC dose not matter a lick at all and we can use any ooc slight or dislike to attack anyone we hate?

That is...not what I said at all. I said that for any IC interaction to take place at all, one must have a working OOC relationship. So no, it's not a blank cheque to "attack and invade," because that involves IC interaction. If there is no working OOC relationship, there should be no IC interaction whatsoever, because nothing good will come from it. So yes, that's like an "ignore."

[Lemonius]

Travellerius and Sertian, I'm pleased to announce that due to Travellerius' comment earlier you both have been added to my quotes spoiler. Congratulations!

[L3 Communications]

*snip*

I love that movie.

[Feazanthia]

This may open a can of worms (heh heh), but I always wondered.

How do people handle it when they try to jump into an area of space that is currently under FTLi? I'm specifically interested in point-to-point teleportation rather than tunneling or warp drives, but those interest me too. Does your vessel arrive somewhere just outside the field? Does it vanish and become a stream of undifferentiated atoms spread evenly across the universe? Does the drive simply fail to operate, sensing interference at the exit point?

[Derscon]

This may open a can of worms (heh heh), but I always wondered.

How do people handle it when they try to jump into an area of space that is currently under FTLi? I'm specifically interested in point-to-point teleportation rather than tunneling or warp drives, but those interest me too. Does your vessel arrive somewhere just outside the field? Does it vanish and become a stream of undifferentiated atoms spread evenly across the universe? Does the drive simply fail to operate, sensing interference at the exit point?

Hmm. Well, most FTLi can just be brute forced through, so it's not a problem. However, when it's not...

fold drives will simply just fail to engage. After all, if the place is under FTLi, then the fold wouldn't be able to initialize within the FTLi area. For my dimensional drives, ships just "bounce" up a dimension, the more power put into the jump, the higher (and further) they bounce.

[Rethan]

This may open a can of worms (heh heh), but I always wondered.

How do people handle it when they try to jump into an area of space that is currently under FTLi? I'm specifically interested in point-to-point teleportation rather than tunneling or warp drives, but those interest me too. Does your vessel arrive somewhere just outside the field? Does it vanish and become a stream of undifferentiated atoms spread evenly across the universe? Does the drive simply fail to operate, sensing interference at the exit point?

In the case of the Void Drive I use (which would probably come under tunneling), the exit simply forms right on the edge of FTLi field. Assuming, of course, that the ship trying to exit doesn't dump more power into the tunnel which may brute force through in the FTLi zone anyway.

[L3 Communications]

This may open a can of worms (heh heh), but I always wondered.

How do people handle it when they try to jump into an area of space that is currently under FTLi? I'm specifically interested in point-to-point teleportation rather than tunneling or warp drives, but those interest me too. Does your vessel arrive somewhere just outside the field? Does it vanish and become a stream of undifferentiated atoms spread evenly across the universe? Does the drive simply fail to operate, sensing interference at the exit point?

Since I've never encountered FTLi ICly... right now, if I tried to brute force and failed to you'd either see a catastrophic failure of the FTL drive, causing the dumped energy to discharge violently from the capacitors (read: electrical explosion) and gut half the ship. Alternatively, the exotic matter injector would be destroyed (the part that creates the exotic matter to hold the wormhole singularity open) and the ship would be stranded without FTL.

Both would be bad, but obviously the former would be worse (and have a far greater chance of occurring, naturally).