Argument Thread OOC Future Tech Only

[Clamparapa]

This is the same reason I have not responded to this question.

YES BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE HOW WE ORGANIZE FLEETS IS SUPER TOP SECRET AND NO ONE KNOWS EVER AT ALL AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO FIND OUT SOMEHOW SOME WAY HOW WE MIGHT POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW, ORGANIZE THE THOUSANDS OF LIFE FORMS IN OUR FORCES THEN THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE A REALISTIC THREAT ASSESSMENT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Fleet
Wait....

......Or I'm just too busy to design a fleet and was trying to respond as ICly as possible?

[Xiscapia]

So essentially, Nick was banned for something which regularly occurs in general, and something else which nobody else (as far as I can tell) even got an official warning for. And justice was served.

I'll leave this here, too:

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I've been trolled and baited so many times in General it's hilarious. Nothing happens to them, ever.

It's like NSG tries to get RPers banned.

So it appears as though there's a double standard between the Generalites and those RPers who post in General? You feel the mods are being unfair in their doling out of punishments? It is not so much the punishments themselves, but the fact that they seem to hit the RPing community far more often than the Generalites? Am I on the right track here?

[Galla-]

YES BECAUSE IN REAL LIFE HOW WE ORGANIZE FLEETS IS SUPER TOP SECRET AND NO ONE KNOWS EVER AT ALL AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO FIND OUT SOMEHOW SOME WAY HOW WE MIGHT POSSIBLY, I DON'T KNOW, ORGANIZE THE THOUSANDS OF LIFE FORMS IN OUR FORCES THEN THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE A REALISTIC THREAT ASSESSMENT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Fleet
Wait....

......Or I'm just too busy to design a fleet and was trying to respond as ICly as possible?

...in an ooc thread

[Clamparapa]

......Or I'm just too busy to design a fleet and was trying to respond as ICly as possible?

...in an ooc thread

....Well, I was trying to explain why my fleets wouldn't ICly be known....

[OMGeverynameistaken]

...in an ooc thread

....Well, I was trying to explain why my fleets wouldn't ICly be known....

They're invisible.
(Braces for 'stealth in space' argument)

[Clamparapa]

....Well, I was trying to explain why my fleets wouldn't ICly be known....

They're invisible.
(Braces for 'stealth in space' argument)

See Chronosia's epic idea for stealth.

(Hint: It includes white and black paint and dots)

[Allanea]

This obsession with petty secrecy is what makes II FT a complete bear to work with, and largely why I've retreated to smaller RPing communities. It's stupid, pointless, and frankly unrealistic.

You think the future will somehow not have Jane's? Or Lloyd's?

.

How can you imagine a future jane's working with a universe of 88,000 nations, dispersed over multiple galaxies?

[Rethan]

Not to mention it's far easier for stuff to go unnoticed, even an entire civilisation, in a world where transdimensional travel is possible. never mind the lolhueg size of a single galaxy.

[Arthropoda Ingens]

This obsession with petty secrecy is what makes II FT a complete bear to work with, and largely why I've retreated to smaller RPing communities. It's stupid, pointless, and frankly unrealistic.

You think the future will somehow not have Jane's? Or Lloyd's?

.

How can you imagine a future jane's working with a universe of 88,000 nations, dispersed over multiple galaxies?

An appropriately bigger staff, and bite-sized publications covering a given volume/ species/ something like that.

Plus online presence, obviously.

Space wiki is, incidentally, hilarious to watch. The vandalism wars between the bugs and human supremacists are something to behold, if admittedly not quite at the level of venomous exchange as the ones between chaos and speese marines.

[Red Talons]

My fleets are pretty blandly organized... Thinking about it, I want to go in and re-work everything into more specialised task forces... I dunno...

What's your guy's thoughts? Would a balanced organisation be beneficial or detrimental to tactical flexibility?

[Arthropoda Ingens]

Not to mention it's far easier for stuff to go unnoticed, even an entire civilisation, in a world where transdimensional travel is possible. never mind the lolhueg size of a single galaxy.

It's certainly easy to go unnoticed in interstellar space.

The second you hit something with space-intertubes, your whereabouts are known, though. If you attack it, so are your martial capabilities as displayed, though given that laymen tend not to have access to military analytics, it probably requires official or inofficial leaks to the public for them to be entered in public databases, at least, 's far as reasonably accurate estimates are concerned.

[Morningstar Coalition]

Not to mention it's far easier for stuff to go unnoticed, even an entire civilisation, in a world where transdimensional travel is possible. never mind the lolhueg size of a single galaxy.

It's certainly easy to go unnoticed in interstellar space.

The second you hit something with space-intertubes, your whereabouts are known, though. If you attack it, so are your martial capabilities as displayed, though given that laymen tend not to have access to military analytics, it probably requires official or inofficial leaks to the public for them to be entered in public databases, at least, 's far as reasonably accurate estimates are concerned.

National-level intelligence agencies likely have access to all the sensor data, combat footage, and intercepted communications to make a credible analysis of another nation's military abilities.
I view your claim that this information would be readily available to civilians as dubious at best.

[Arthropoda Ingens]

It's certainly easy to go unnoticed in interstellar space.

The second you hit something with space-intertubes, your whereabouts are known, though. If you attack it, so are your martial capabilities as displayed, though given that laymen tend not to have access to military analytics, it probably requires official or inofficial leaks to the public for them to be entered in public databases, at least, 's far as reasonably accurate estimates are concerned.

National-level intelligence agencies likely have access to all the sensor data, combat footage, and intercepted communications to make a credible analysis of another nation's military abilities.
I view your claim that this information would be readily available to civilians as dubious at best.

So, word on the street is that actually reading the posts you're replying to is totally rad. Wanna try it out?

[Auman]

So essentially, Nick was banned for something which regularly occurs in general, and something else which nobody else (as far as I can tell) even got an official warning for. And justice was served.

I'll leave this here, too:

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First they came for our MTers, but I said nothing because they played weird... Then they came for our Nicksylvanians and I did nothing because their hats were funny. Then they came for me and it didn't matter because mod bias.

[Auman]

I've been trolled and baited so many times in General it's hilarious. Nothing happens to them, ever.

It's like NSG tries to get RPers banned.

So it appears as though there's a double standard between the Generalites and those RPers who post in General? You feel the mods are being unfair in their doling out of punishments? It is not so much the punishments themselves, but the fact that they seem to hit the RPing community far more often than the Generalites? Am I on the right track here?

But seriously... If I were a moderator, I'd be working on this exact problem right now. You can go into an average thread in General and find at least one serious rules infraction in each thread. Generalites are wild political animals that seem to blend in to the background of the game, because the sad thing is that they make up the vast majority of the regular posters. They're a serious problem, they give the game an awful reputation and moderators have seemed to only give lip service to the problem and when they actually try to act, they manage to frag an RPer that was trolled as opposed to the guys that have actually started the dialogue to begin with.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

How can you imagine a future jane's working with a universe of 88,000 nations, dispersed over multiple galaxies?

An appropriately bigger staff, and bite-sized publications covering a given volume/ species/ something like that.

Plus online presence, obviously.

Space wiki is, incidentally, hilarious to watch. The vandalism wars between the bugs and human supremacists are something to behold, if admittedly not quite at the level of venomous exchange as the ones between chaos and speese marines.

Although, sadly, this is only a pale shadow of the Great Wiki War which still rages between the Russians and the Swedes.

[Allanea]

REMEMBER POLTAVA!

[is doing a thesis on the Great Northern War]

[OMGeverynameistaken]

REMEMBER POLTAVA!

[is doing a thesis on the Great Northern War]

Ah yes, the great Swedish victory, only spoiled by the deceitful maneuvering of Peter I which forced the Swedish army to retreat to the Ottoman Empire because he burned down all his own food.

No, seriously, I actually saw somebody put that argument forth on Wikipedia's discussion pages. They then proceeded to declare Russian sources in inherently biased while quoting from a Swedish source.

[Galla-]

This obsession with petty secrecy is what makes II FT a complete bear to work with, and largely why I've retreated to smaller RPing communities. It's stupid, pointless, and frankly unrealistic.

You think the future will somehow not have Jane's? Or Lloyd's?

.

How can you imagine a future jane's working with a universe of 88,000 nations, dispersed over multiple galaxies?

Like how it works now?

If the number of nations scale, undoubtedly the number of staff and informative services based around national militaries will scale with them...

[OMGeverynameistaken]

How can you imagine a future jane's working with a universe of 88,000 nations, dispersed over multiple galaxies?

Like how it works now?

If the number of nations scale, undoubtedly the number of staff and informative services based around national militaries will scale with them...

The question is whether or not there are enough nerds in the galaxy to support the rent on a extraphasic quantum string array server.

[Otagia]

Like how it works now?

If the number of nations scale, undoubtedly the number of staff and informative services based around national militaries will scale with them...

The question is whether or not there are enough nerds in the galaxy to support the rent on a extraphasic quantum string array server.

Yes. Next question.

[Sertian]

What's the current topic? Fleet arrangements? Lesse...

The Sertian Empire divides its naval forces into three fleets. The Core defense fleet, which is permanently stationed on any world which is apart of the Imperial State. They're the last line of defense against enemy invasion, and frequently cooperate with civilian defense forces for emergencies. Outside of this is the Forward Defense Fleet, which is a more active, mobile ship force tasked to defend outposts, protectorates, and colonies. Ships in the Forward Defense Fleet can move to engage units in Imperial territory. Finally, there's the Colonial Fleet, which is tasked with attacking or defending positions outside of the Empire's territory.

Under this, ships are organized into groups called Squadrons. Each squadron is 50 ships, usually with an Illuminate-Class Command Cruiser at its center. Squadrons are typically tasked together for a war, and can be split up into smaller groups for different tasks - however a squadron typically moves together. For major battles usually only a single squadron is sent (the rough equivalent of 800 'average' ships), however for even larger battles a squadron is typically assigned 'support' ships outside of the squadron but nevertheless under the Squad Leader's command. It's very, very rare that multiple squadrons will be assigned to the same battle.

I'm not sure how well this works logistically, and I'm not sure if I've forgotten any other fleets in my breakdown. But, at the very least, it serves its purpose for now.

[EternalNight]

The Triune operates three main fleets in the MWG. Battle Fleets Anael and Liriel, each consisting of 90 ships led by a Battle Fortress, and Harvester Fleet Nathrael also of 90 ships, led by a Harvester Ship. There is also the Support FLeet of 50 ships, mainly consisting of logistical support and planetary combat force transports.

The fleet mixtures are standardized, with Battle Fleets having a higher percentage of capital ships (Battlecarriers, Heavy Carriers), and the Harvester Fleet having a greater proportion of cruisers and smaller ships.

There are also a handful of specialty vessels (Soulhunter, Planetary Assault Ships, Scouts, the Leliel System) that are assigned as needed. In the Black Nebula there are actually not many ships, but they fall into the "not for MWG use" category such as Dimensionships and the Eye of the Infinite weapon system.

Yes, EN does not have a large fleet. Partly it's the fact that Eternal Night is basically three systems (One in the Black Nebula, Two in the MWG), and the other part is the rather high level of our technology.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

In other news, I made a slight redesign of the Suvorov class:
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/589/suvorov.png

Damn Imageshack and its not having thumbnails anymore :\

[Mozarabic Cordoba]

In other news, I made a slight redesign of the Suvorov class:
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/589/suvorov.png

Damn Imageshack and its not having thumbnails anymore :\

You people and your artistic ability. *Shakes fist* I tried to make a dhow for Cordoba and it turned out looking like an oil supertanker.