[NSG Senate] Senate Chamber: Do We Have Work?

by **House of Judah** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:00 pm

"This is a thoroughly unnecessary amendment which only serves to change the words and not the overall effect of the constitution. In other words, it is at best a vanity exercise on the part of the author and at worst an attempt to stifle the conduct of worth wile business purely because that business was raised by the Opposition. While I have in the past attempted to maintain a degree of decorum and impartially analyze each act brought before this chamber, it remains that this amendment is a thorough waste of this chambers time and I encourage all the members of this body to relegate it to the bin that it so thoroughly belongs in."

by **Lykens** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:03 pm

House of Judah wrote:"This is a thoroughly unnecessary amendment which only serves to change the words and not the overall effect of the constitution. In other words, it is at best a vanity exercise on the part of the author and at worst an attempt to stifle the conduct of worth wile business purely because that business was raised by the Opposition. While I have in the past attempted to maintain a degree of decorum and impartially analyze each act brought before this chamber, it remains that this amendment is a thorough waste of this chambers time and I encourage all the members of this body to relegate it to the bin that it so thoroughly belongs in."

"Hear hear."

by **The Sarian** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:26 pm

"Mr Speaker, I don't think that I'll ever hear more untrue words spoken in this chamber. This amendment doesn't ware the Senates time - it saves it. Previously, every appointment had to be voted on, now the senate may move to vote on a contentious appointment but otherwise they will not be involved.

Mr Speaker, if I wanted to waste this senates time I would appoint 196 ambassadors. Mr Speaker, to illustrate this point of the Honourable Member does not withdraw his remarks and the Leader of the Opposition his needlessly boisterous exclamation of support, I shall move that the question be not now put and appoint said ambassadors."

by **Belmaria** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:47 pm

"Mr. Speaker, I have never heard such vile threats hurled in this chamber before. Granted, I am a relatively new member of this body, but the fact remains that threats of political retaliation are not civil or democratic, and will be met with harsh retort by our people once they discover what is being threatened in our legislature."

by **House of Judah** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:22 pm

"My thanks to the Secretary for deciding that she should circumvent the President's constitutional authority and nominate ambassadors for this body's approval. Fine, this changes the process. It increases the ability of the government to operate without scrutiny, much as the ENC did years past.

"Legislatures the world over are required to be consulted on such appointments, but then I'm sure the Secretary knows better, just as her honorable colleague John Chiu knows better how to ensure justice than the very Constitution we enacted and that they both so enjoy ignoring."

by **Argentarino** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:43 pm

House of Judah wrote:"My thanks to the Secretary for deciding that she should circumvent the President's constitutional authority and nominate ambassadors for this body's approval. Fine, this changes the process. It increases the ability of the government to operate without scrutiny, much as the ENC did years past.

"Legislatures the world over are required to be consulted on such appointments, but then I'm sure the Secretary knows better, just as her honorable colleague John Chiu knows better how to ensure justice than the very Constitution we enacted and that they both so enjoy ignoring."

"Hear, hear."

by **FreYhill** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:47 pm

Deciding he'll leave this argument for the backbenchers, Chi began to relax on next to the opposition leader and open another bottle of Coca-Cola.

by **Skyviolia** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:02 am

"Mr. Speaker, I do not understand why Mrs. Muhammad had decided to put forth this bill. Could the honorable member explain why she decided to present this amendment."

Michel leans towards his fellow colleagues "Other than wasting our time and trying to delay the confidence resolution."

by **Eredion** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:39 am

"With all due respect, the president must surely need the time he gets by debating this bill for him to consolidate his support on the confidence resolution. Whether you agree with him or not, the timing of this government supported bill seems suspiciously like trying to stall the confidence resolution."

"But this is not my point about the bill itself. I have to agree with my colleague on this matter, appointing ambassadors without first seeking the explicit consent of the Senate weakens the legislative body in this country and on this matter makes us little more than silent yes-men for the government´s actions."

by **The Intergalactic Universe Corporation** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:45 am

"Appointing ambassadors should be reserved for the Ministry in charge of Foreign Affairs to decide, because Ambassadors are supposed to be impartial and out of politics right? And if the Senate appoints Ambassadors, it will encourage Ambassadors to become politicians themselves, and I think it does not bode well for Elizia's international image if that were the case. Just a point to note."

by **The Sarian** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:59 am

"Mr Speaker, I hate to be blunt but those saying that democracy is weakened are objectively incorrect. The Senate may still move to have a vote on appointments but in non-contentious cases, which the vast majority are, the senate can spend its time debating matters of policy that effect matters the affect the lives of ordinary Elizians."

by **Arkolon** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:04 am

Eredion wrote:"With all due respect, the president must surely need the time he gets by debating this bill for him to consolidate his support on the confidence resolution. Whether you agree with him or not, the timing of this government supported bill seems suspiciously like trying to stall the confidence resolution."

"But this is not my point about the bill itself. I have to agree with my colleague on this matter, appointing ambassadors without first seeking the explicit consent of the Senate weakens the legislative body in this country and on this matter makes us little more than silent yes-men for the government´s actions."

OOC: It's impossible for this Amendment to stall the process of the confidence vote, since the confidence resolution has already been debated and will be voted on, in one form or another, this weekend. The Speaker could have picked any bill to debate after the Resolution, nothing about this one in particular makes it "stall" the confidence resolution in any way.

by **Eredion** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:39 am

Arkolon wrote:
Eredion wrote:"With all due respect, the president must surely need the time he gets by debating this bill for him to consolidate his support on the confidence resolution. Whether you agree with him or not, the timing of this government supported bill seems suspiciously like trying to stall the confidence resolution."

"But this is not my point about the bill itself. I have to agree with my colleague on this matter, appointing ambassadors without first seeking the explicit consent of the Senate weakens the legislative body in this country and on this matter makes us little more than silent yes-men for the government´s actions."

OOC: It's impossible for this Amendment to stall the process of the confidence vote, since the confidence resolution has already been debated and will be voted on, in one form or another, this weekend. The Speaker could have picked any bill to debate after the Resolution, nothing about this one in particular makes it "stall" the confidence resolution in any way.

OCC: Alright, I am just talking opposition stuff.

by **Takhshiyt** » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:14 am

Senator Sandeep stood, holding a piece of paper. "I quote from the proposed bill: 'the President of Elizia may, on the advice of the minister responsible, appoint ambassadors to foreign states and any other office. The Senate may move to block the appointment in accordance with it's own procedures and by-laws,' end quote. This still allows the senate control over appointments that we don't like, and allows us to move on with more important business. I need not remind the Senate of Elizia's woes, and I firmly believe it is not in the interest of the Elizian people for us to vote for every ambassador to every sovereign state. May I remind the Senate that there are one hundred and ninety six sovereign states in the world."

by **Tumbra** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:06 am

"Order. We now begin debate on the Constitutional Amendment (Removal of Vice President) Act by the Rt. Hon Jiang Muhammad."

Order Paper

All times stated are tentatively 1830 UTC + 8 (Elizian Timezone) unless stated.

Sunday (Noon) to Monday - Resolution of Confidence in the President (Hon. Ahmed Alef)

Monday to Tuesday - Constitutional Amendment (Appointment of Ambassadors) Act (Rt. Hon. Jiang Muhammad)

Tuesday to Wednesday - Constitutional Amendment (Removal of Vice President) Act (Rt. Hon. Jiang Muhammad)

Wednesday to Thursday - Act to Privatize, Decentralize and Deregulate Public Transport (Hon. Ezra Suleiman)

Thursday to Friday - Helping And Rescuing Animals and Mammals Beaten Endlessly Act (Rt. Hon. Ujang Duong)

Friday to Saturday - Voting on proposed bIlls

Saturday to Sunday - Voting on proposed bIlls

by **Skyviolia** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:09 am

"Mr. Speaker, I dislike this proposal and will vote against it. I believe it is important for every office to have a right hand man and a back up in case something goes wrong."

by **DrWinner** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:55 am

"I must say, Mr. Speaker, that it seems surprising to me how many bills from Mrs. Muhammad we are debating. It makes me wonder if there is some truth to the claims put forward."

Mark coughs.

"In regards to this bill, though, it is quite necessary for every government to have backups prepared. What if the president, God forbid, were to keel over dead this instant? Via this bill, who would replace the president as the international face of Elizia?"

Mark appears as if he will sit down, but realizes he has more to say.

"Furthermore, if this nation is to ever become an economic superpower, not dependent on the other nations of the world for support, it must model itself after the nations that are already independent, like America. Removing the Vice President will be a step in the wrong direction. Thank you."

Mark then sits.

by **Tumbra** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:21 am

"The queue has been updated."

by **The Sarian** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:34 am

"The Vice President is such an important position that no-one noticed we don't have one. The only use the office has is syphoning money off the tax payer that could be better spent on matters such as welfare, education and infrastructure. It's also with noteing that under a parliamentary system, the notion of a Vice President being an automatic successor is a queer one."

by **Belmaria** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:03 am

"Having an executive line of succession is necessary for the stability of our nation, and we must not eliminate important posts within government just because a few ill-informed people decide that we can save money by cutting corners."

by **The Sarian** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:08 am

"Point of Order - calling another honourable member I'll-informed is not just unparliamentary, but also objectively incorrect and just plain bad debating etiquette."

by **Belmaria** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:10 am

"Mr. Speaker, I was not referring to any one person, or group of people in particular, and I certainly wasn't referring to any of the honourable members of this body."

by **The Sarian** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:15 am

"Mr Speaker, a few dishonest people think that it's acceptable to lie in an attempt to evade sanction."

by **Belmaria** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:33 am

"Mr. Speaker, if the honourable member is calling me a liar without any supporting evidence, while being simultaneously offended at what he wrongly believes to be a personal attack on his character on my behalf, I don't fully understand his motivations."

by **DrWinner** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:36 am

Mark Markson rolls his eyes at the last remark, accidentally deleting the entirety of his bill once again with a careless swipe of his hand. He then mutters a curse under his breath and stands.

"Mr. Speaker, I believe it would be in the best interests of the chamber if the honorable members would take their argument outside of this room, so that we can continue debate on this bill without interruption."

Mark then sits down, glaring not at Jiang, but her counterpart on his side of the room.

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