[NSG Senate] Senate Chamber: Do We Have Work?

[Skyviolia]

"Is this a matter of public record, Mr. President?"

"Mr Speaker, would you want to confirm to the Hon Gentleman that the Criminal Code is a government bill, and how you were made aware of this fact by myself and the Honourable John Chiu?"

"So, Mr. President, your telling me that after the Speaker made his ruling, you bypassed his ruling by declaring to a government bill, and neither you nor the Speaker felt it was necessary to inform the public or the Chamber of this decision? Were the sponsors of the bill aware that this decision was made?"

[Arkolon]

"Mr Speaker, would you want to confirm to the Hon Gentleman that the Criminal Code is a government bill, and how you were made aware of this fact by myself and the Honourable John Chiu?"

"So, Mr. President, your telling me that after the Speaker made his ruling, you bypassed his ruling by declaring to a government bill, and neither you nor the Speaker felt it was necessary to inform the public or the Chamber of this decision? Were the sponsors of the bill aware that this decision was made?"

"Mr Speaker, do you want to make the Hon Gentleman aware that the Government is indeed very confident that it knows that it made the Criminal Code into a Government bill and that there's nothing being "bypassed" since it was a decision taken by John Chiu and myself after we had realised that the Criminal Code was not deemed a Government bill. Mr Speaker, could you also let the Leader of the Social Liberal Party, the Honourable Tijah bin Dian, that his party members are supposed to address you, the Speaker, when making statements in this House?"

[Skyviolia]

"So, Mr. President, your telling me that after the Speaker made his ruling, you bypassed his ruling by declaring to a government bill, and neither you nor the Speaker felt it was necessary to inform the public or the Chamber of this decision? Were the sponsors of the bill aware that this decision was made?"

"Mr Speaker, do you want to make the Hon Gentleman aware that the Government is indeed very confident that it knows that it made the Criminal Code into a Government bill and that there's nothing being "bypassed" since it was a decision taken by John Chiu and myself after we had realised that the Criminal Code was not deemed a Government bill. Mr Speaker, could you also let the Leader of the Social Liberal Party, the Honourable Tijah bin Dian, that his party members are supposed to address you, the Speaker, when making statements in this House?"

"Mr. Speaker, my concern is not the fact that the Criminal Code was made a government bill, my concern is that it was made as a government bill specifically so it can get preference over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented. I think the President knows how to label a bill as a government bill and he clearly didn't do so. And that is not my main concern, my main concern is that neither the Speaker nor the government decided to inform us of this decision and that none of the sponsors were contacted to inform them of this change. This is clear misuse of your powers."

[The Sarian]

"Is this a matter of public record, Mr. President?"

"Mr Speaker, would you want to confirm to the Hon Gentleman that the Criminal Code is a government bill, and how you were made aware of this fact by myself and the Honourable John Chiu?"

"ORDER - I, of course, was not privy to the private conversation but Mr Speaker very clearly told this house that the Criminal Code was a government bill.

Now that has been made clear the Honourable [Skyviolia] will either debate the bill at hand, or he shall sit down."

[Argentarino]

"Mr. Speaker, my esteemed colleague brings up a valid point. Were the other sponsors even consulted before the government unilaterally took it upon itself to make this a Government bill, and therefore punt to the side a bill that, until the last possible moment, was scheduled to be debated? Or is it perhaps the intent of the Government, Mr. Speaker, to forceably set aside bills proposed by the Honorable Opposition, Mr. Speaker?"

[The Sarian]

"Mr. Speaker, my esteemed colleague brings up a valid point. Were the other sponsors even consulted before the government unilaterally took it upon itself to make this a Government bill, and therefore punt to the side a bill that, until the last possible moment, was scheduled to be debated? Or is it perhaps the intent of the Government, Mr. Speaker, to forceably set aside bills proposed by the Honorable Opposition, Mr. Speaker?"

"ORDER - there is no requirement enshrined in law for sponsors to be informed of a bill becoming a government bill. The government may, by very definition, unilaterally make a bill a government bill."

[Skyviolia]

"Mr Speaker, would you want to confirm to the Hon Gentleman that the Criminal Code is a government bill, and how you were made aware of this fact by myself and the Honourable John Chiu?"

"ORDER - I, of course, was not privy to the private conversation but Mr Speaker very clearly told this house that the Criminal Code was a government bill.

Now that has been made clear the Honourable [Skyviolia] will either debate the bill at hand, or he shall sit down."

"Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Senate was NOT notified of the change, if she would like to prove me wrong, I petition that she bring forth evidence from the public record to support her claim."

[Argentarino]

"ORDER - I, of course, was not privy to the private conversation but Mr Speaker very clearly told this house that the Criminal Code was a government bill.

Now that has been made clear the Honourable [Skyviolia] will either debate the bill at hand, or he shall sit down."

"Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Senate was NOT notified of the change, if she would like to prove me wrong, I petition that she bring forth evidence from the public record to support her claim."

"I would second such a petition, Madame Deputy Speaker."

[Arkolon]

"Mr Speaker, do you want to make the Hon Gentleman aware that the Government is indeed very confident that it knows that it made the Criminal Code into a Government bill and that there's nothing being "bypassed" since it was a decision taken by John Chiu and myself after we had realised that the Criminal Code was not deemed a Government bill. Mr Speaker, could you also let the Leader of the Social Liberal Party, the Honourable Tijah bin Dian, that his party members are supposed to address you, the Speaker, when making statements in this House?"

"Mr. Speaker, my concern is not the fact that the Criminal Code was made a government bill, my concern is that it was made as a government bill specifically so it can get preference over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented. I think the President knows how to label a bill as a government bill and he clearly didn't do so. And that is not my main concern, my main concern is that neither the Speaker nor the government decided to inform us of this decision and that none of the sponsors were contacted to inform them of this change. This is clear misuse of your powers."

"Mr Speaker, could you tell the Hon Gentleman that you were told by me, yesterday, that the Criminal Code is a Government bill? It is a Government bill, written by a member of this Government, with the support of the President. You are only doing your job, giving priority to Government bills. Does the Speaker think we should send the Hon Gentleman an email, or maybe a beep on a pager, or maybe even leave a Post-It on his fridge to warn him whenever the Government decides to give support to a bill? We've never done that before, so why would it be necessary now?"

[The Sarian]

"ORDER - I, of course, was not privy to the private conversation but Mr Speaker very clearly told this house that the Criminal Code was a government bill.

Now that has been made clear the Honourable [Skyviolia] will either debate the bill at hand, or he shall sit down."

"Mr. Deputy Speaker, this Senate was NOT notified of the change, if she would like to prove me wrong, I petition that she bring forth evidence from the public record to support her claim."

Flipping through her papers slightly, with an the irritated frown she preserved for irritating members of the SLP (and the Alternative, a party that will never catch on), Sa Ri An picked out a page from the Parliamentary Records, and read it verbatim, "Following a memorandum from the President, the Criminal Code will be considered a government bill". She then distributed the page to the Senators.

"ORDER - for the record, even if the Speaker had not told the house, it would still not affect anything."

"Following a memorandum from the President, the Criminal Code will be considered a government bill."

[Skyviolia]

"Mr. Speaker, my concern is not the fact that the Criminal Code was made a government bill, my concern is that it was made as a government bill specifically so it can get preference over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented. I think the President knows how to label a bill as a government bill and he clearly didn't do so. And that is not my main concern, my main concern is that neither the Speaker nor the government decided to inform us of this decision and that none of the sponsors were contacted to inform them of this change. This is clear misuse of your powers."

"Mr Speaker, could you tell the Hon Gentleman that you were told by me, yesterday, that the Criminal Code is a Government bill? It is a Government bill, written by a member of this Government, with the support of the President. You are only doing your job, giving priority to Government bills. Does the Speaker think we should send the Hon Gentleman an email, or maybe a beep on a pager, or maybe even leave a Post-It on his fridge to warn him whenever the Government decides to give support to a bill? We've never done that before, so why would it be necessary now?"

"No, it isn't. The bill was written in a way that implies that it isn't a government bill. It asked for sponsors, no where was it clarified that it was a government bill. It was declared a bill of the government just to have it take precedence over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented."

[Arkolon]

"Mr Speaker, could you tell the Hon Gentleman that you were told by me, yesterday, that the Criminal Code is a Government bill? It is a Government bill, written by a member of this Government, with the support of the President. You are only doing your job, giving priority to Government bills. Does the Speaker think we should send the Hon Gentleman an email, or maybe a beep on a pager, or maybe even leave a Post-It on his fridge to warn him whenever the Government decides to give support to a bill? We've never done that before, so why would it be necessary now?"

"No, it isn't. The bill was written in a way that implies that it isn't a government bill. It asked for sponsors, no where was it clarified that it was a government bill. It was declared a bill of the government just to have it take precedence over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented."

"Mr Speaker, why is this Hon Gentleman making baseless accusations towards me?"

[The Sarian]

"Mr Speaker, could you tell the Hon Gentleman that you were told by me, yesterday, that the Criminal Code is a Government bill? It is a Government bill, written by a member of this Government, with the support of the President. You are only doing your job, giving priority to Government bills. Does the Speaker think we should send the Hon Gentleman an email, or maybe a beep on a pager, or maybe even leave a Post-It on his fridge to warn him whenever the Government decides to give support to a bill? We've never done that before, so why would it be necessary now?"

"No, it isn't. The bill was written in a way that implies that it isn't a government bill. It asked for sponsors, no where was it clarified that it was a government bill. It was declared a bill of the government just to have it take precedence over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented."

"ORDER - that's what the government is for, to implement it's agenda of government. If the Honourable Member has an issue with the way this parliament works then he should have brought it up in the Constitutional Convention. As it stands, he is wasting this Parliaments time and shall cease to do so.

This goes for everyone, go back to the topic of debate or go back to your offices. I am not afraid to name people who cannot abide by that."

[Skyviolia]

"No, it isn't. The bill was written in a way that implies that it isn't a government bill. It asked for sponsors, no where was it clarified that it was a government bill. It was declared a bill of the government just to have it take precedence over the bill the Shadow Home Secretary presented."

"Mr Speaker, why is this Hon Gentleman making baseless accusations towards me?"

"Can I ask, Mr. Speaker, why the government decided that the right time to declare the bill a government bill was not made when the bill was presented, or when it was introduced to the repository, or until it was added to the order paper, or any time before that, my was it a last minute change that was made while we were ending the debate on the Government Tax Revenue Act and when we were supposed to move on to the Aediles act? If memory serves me right, this bill was presented to the public at least two weeks ago, are you telling me that in two weeks, you did not realize the bill was not properly labeled as a government bill, and that only until we were supposed to go on to the Aediles bill, you made your change?"

[The Sarian]

"Mr Speaker, why is this Hon Gentleman making baseless accusations towards me?"

"Can I ask, Mr. Speaker, why the government decided that the right time to declare the bill a government bill was not made when the bill was presented, or when it was introduced to the repository, or until it was added to the order paper, or any time before that, my was it a last minute change that was made while we were ending the debate on the Government Tax Revenue Act and when we were supposed to move on to the Aediles act? If memory serves me right, this bill was presented to the public at least two weeks ago, are you telling me that in two weeks, you did not realize the bill was not properly labeled as a government bill, and that only until we were supposed to go on to the Aediles bill, you made your change?"

"ORDER - I made it very clear that this discussion would end and the honourable member has ignored that.

As such, I order the honourable member to withdraw from this house for the remainder of this days sitting."

[Skyviolia]

"For the record, these are statements made the the Deputy Speaker that I think the Parliament should see -"

Sa Ri An stood up, "This was clearly written by an eleven year old with learning difficulties".

Sa Ri An sat down.

"Why would the opposition care about petty things like the financial future of this nation, Mr Speaker? After all, their egos are much more important."

It is obvious the Deputy Speaker is neither impartial or fair, I ask her to step down."

[Arkolon]

Iskba wonders whether the SLP can go a single speech without calling into question the Speaker's impartiality or integrity.

[FreYhill]

"For the record, these are statements made the the Deputy Speaker that I think the Parliament should see -"

Sa Ri An stood up, "This was clearly written by an eleven year old with learning difficulties".

Sa Ri An sat down.

"Why would the opposition care about petty things like the financial future of this nation, Mr Speaker? After all, their egos are much more important."

It is obvious the Deputy Speaker is neither impartial or fair, I ask her to step down."

Hear Hear!

[The Sarian]

"For the record, these are statements made the the Deputy Speaker that I think the Parliament should see -"

Sa Ri An stood up, "This was clearly written by an eleven year old with learning difficulties".

Sa Ri An sat down.

"Why would the opposition care about petty things like the financial future of this nation, Mr Speaker? After all, their egos are much more important."

It is obvious the Deputy Speaker is neither impartial or fair, I ask her to step down."

"First of all, I must note that neither the Constitution or any law passed by this body requires me to be impartial when I am not acting in my role as Deputy Speaker. When I am in this role, I maintain absolute impartiality and if you care to look at Parliamentary Records, you can clearly see me calling both members of the coalition I am in, and members of parties I am not in, to order.

But this is not this issue at hand. I gave a clear instruction to the house that they will return to the topic of debate. The Honourable Member then ignored that instruction. As a consequence, the Honourable Member was then asked to leave the chamber for the rest of the day. The Honourable Member ignored that instruction.

I will give the Honourable Member one last chance to withdraw from the Chamber, or I shall increase the severity of the punishment and call on Parliamentary security to take the Honourable Member away from this Chamber."

[Skyviolia]

"For the record, these are statements made the the Deputy Speaker that I think the Parliament should see -"





It is obvious the Deputy Speaker is neither impartial or fair, I ask her to step down."

"First of all, I must note that neither the Constitution or any law passed by this body requires me to be impartial when I am not acting in my role as Deputy Speaker. When I am in this role, I maintain absolute impartiality and if you care to look at Parliamentary Records, you can clearly see me calling both members of the coalition I am in, and members of parties I am not in, to order.

But this is not this issue at hand. I gave a clear instruction to the house that they will return to the topic of debate. The Honourable Member then ignored that instruction. As a consequence, the Honourable Member was then asked to leave the chamber for the rest of the day. The Honourable Member ignored that instruction.

I will give the Honourable Member one last chance to withdraw from the Chamber, or I shall increase the severity of the punishment and call on Parliamentary security to take the Honourable Member away from this Chamber."

"I will not withdraw my comments, I am leaving the Chamber. It is clear that you harbor biases against the opposition and the Shadow Home Secretary.

If the Speaker wishes to seem impartial, he should remove Sa Ri An from her office as Deputy Speaker."

Michel left.

[The Sarian]

"First of all, I must note that neither the Constitution or any law passed by this body requires me to be impartial when I am not acting in my role as Deputy Speaker. When I am in this role, I maintain absolute impartiality and if you care to look at Parliamentary Records, you can clearly see me calling both members of the coalition I am in, and members of parties I am not in, to order.

But this is not this issue at hand. I gave a clear instruction to the house that they will return to the topic of debate. The Honourable Member then ignored that instruction. As a consequence, the Honourable Member was then asked to leave the chamber for the rest of the day. The Honourable Member ignored that instruction.

I will give the Honourable Member one last chance to withdraw from the Chamber, or I shall increase the severity of the punishment and call on Parliamentary security to take the Honourable Member away from this Chamber."

"I will not withdraw my comments, I am leaving the Chamber. It is clear that you harbor biases against the opposition and the Shadow Home Secretary.

If the Speaker wishes to seem impartial, he should remove Sa Ri An from her office as Deputy Speaker."

Michel left.

"ORDER - although the member has left the Chamber, I feel I have no choice but to up his punishment.

The Member is suspended from the remainder of today's sitting, and the entirety of tomorrow's. I will be speaking to Mr Speaker to discuss this punishment further.

A reminder to Honourable Members, we will get back on track with the bill before this house."

[Normandy and Picardy]

If I may, I would like to return to the topic of debate, trusting the honourable members remember what that is after the event that has unfolded. Those who question the length of the provision have to consider two things; we don't have all the money in the world to create a wonderous welfare system with a click of our fingers, and we must be offering an incentive to get back into the workplace as well. I personally believe the period of insurance could be longer, but I will support this bill because I want to ensure that ENIS runs properly, to help every Elizian in need. An amendment may be in order, but please support this bill, to help those less fortunate than ourselves.

[Argentarino]

"Madame Deputy Speaker, I must protest! The Member left per your instructions. Just because he made a statement as he was leaving that you disagree with is not grounds for further suspension! I fought against these types of silencing tactics when I ran for office and fought against the ENC!"

[FreYhill]

If I may, I would like to return to the topic of debate, trusting the honourable members remember what that is after the event that has unfolded. Those who question the length of the provision have to consider two things; we don't have all the money in the world to create a wonderous welfare system with a click of our fingers, and we must be offering an incentive to get back into the workplace as well. I personally believe the period of insurance could be longer, but I will support this bill because I want to ensure that ENIS runs properly, to help every Elizian in need. An amendment may be in order, but please support this bill, to help those less fortunate than ourselves.

I Agree with the Senator. The Federation of Elizia does not have an endless amount of income, therefore our Government shouldn't be spending so much at once. I believe that adding an amendment along the lines of mandating that recipients should conduct works towards their communities to remain eligible for a period of time is vital for the success of this bill.

[FreYhill]

"Madame Deputy Speaker, I must protest! The Member left per your instructions. Just because he made a statement as he was leaving that you disagree with is not grounds for further suspension! I fought against these types of silencing tactics when I ran for office and fought against the ENC!"

Hear Hear! The Chair must remind herself that we, in fact live in a democratic nation, not an ENC police state.