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Postby Arglorand » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:56 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Dejanic wrote:This isn't a Socialist party. :p


i dunno...how do I know this party won't attempt to run the economy to the ground?

You can know that by the distinct lack of libertarians and minarchists here.
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Postby Glasgia » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:57 pm

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Nooooooooo....... We're the proper Socialists, that's our anthem! :p

Fine. Then we're taking Red Flag. :P


Actually, you can keep Internationale :p
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Postby Arglorand » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:58 pm

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Arglorand wrote:Fine. Then we're taking Red Flag. :P


Actually, you can keep Internationale :p

And there you have it. Compromise reached. :P
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Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

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Postby San Jose Guayabal » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:59 pm

The Internationale. That's great.
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Postby Glasgia » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:59 pm

Arglorand wrote:
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Actually, you can keep Internationale :p

And there you have it. Compromise reached. :P


Seriously though, I forgot about Red Flag - That's definitely going to be the WA's anthem if I can get my way :p

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The Liberated Territories wrote:
i dunno...how do I know this party won't attempt to run the economy to the ground?

You can know that by the distinct lack of libertarians and minarchists here.


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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:02 pm

Arglorand wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
i dunno...how do I know this party won't attempt to run the economy to the ground?

You can know that by the distinct lack of libertarians and minarchists here.


Well tell me how the five year plans go, comrade, when you gain power and nationalize the food industry. :)
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:03 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Arglorand wrote:You can know that by the distinct lack of libertarians and minarchists here.


Well tell me how the five year plans go, comrade, when you gain power and nationalize the food industry. :)

And there's a bounty of food in Libertarian Somalia?

And anyway, I'd rather have the food industry ran by co-ops, or simply privately run as it is now, not nationalised. :lol2:
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:08 pm

Arglorand wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
i dunno...how do I know this party won't attempt to run the economy to the ground?

You can know that by the distinct lack of libertarians and minarchists here.

Macroeconomic focus on job creation... in the 21st century.
A living wage... in a business environment where a labour-intensive productive combination is the only selling point.
Breaking up banks and "strict banking regulations"... at all.
The German model... in a rural community.
Strong opposition to organised crime... in South America.
Welfare plans some developed countries don't even have... in a second world economy.
Parental leave... in a labour-intensive economy.
Car pooling... in a rural community.
Promoting alternative fuels... when there's a strong chance the petrol in the nation is what got us here at all.
Promoting electrical vehicles and charging stations... in a second world economy.
Nationalising important and vital markets... in a globalised economy.
Telling bosses and employees to play nice... in a labour-intensive economy.

Either update your platform to conform to a South American nation, as that's where we're headed, or seriously rethink all of your policy ideas from the top.
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:09 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Well tell me how the five year plans go, comrade, when you gain power and nationalize the food industry. :)

Libertarian Somalia

Since when was Somalia libertarian?
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Postby San Jose Guayabal » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:12 pm

Are we going to a South American nation?
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:13 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Libertarian Somalia

Since when was Somalia libertarian?

It's Anarcho-Capitalist to be more specific, which comes under the umbrella of "Libertarianism".
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Postby Planita » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:15 pm

Can someone add me in as a member?

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Postby Arkolon » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:20 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Since when was Somalia libertarian?

It's Anarcho-Capitalist to be more specific, which comes under the umbrella of "Libertarianism".

No, until 2006 Somalia had many competing warlords all vying for power over the, or parts of the, country, and no institution recognised property rights, and the descent into this large-scale civil unrest was mostly due to foreign involvement in the country. It's funny you mention Somalia, and I pointed it out to you by asking you about it, because in many circles "Somalia is anarchy!" is actually taken as a joke argument, poking fun at people who actually believe it.

I've never come across someone who believed it, though. Well, until now.
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:23 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Dejanic wrote:It's Anarcho-Capitalist to be more specific, which comes under the umbrella of "Libertarianism".

No, until 2006 Somalia had many competing warlords all vying for power over the, or parts of the, country, and no institution recognised property rights, and the descent into this large-scale civil unrest was mostly due to foreign involvement in the country. It's funny you mention Somalia, and I pointed it out to you by asking you about it, because in many circles "Somalia is anarchy!" is actually taken as a joke argument, poking fun at people who actually believe it.

I've never come across someone who believed it, though. Well, until now.

Try Mises.Org, they've done many articles promoting the Anarcho-Capitalist system of Somalia and defending the continuous development of this system. And personally I trust reputable Anarcho-Capitalists on this issue over you.

A lot of An-Caps accept this, infact they use Somalia as an argument in favour of Anarcho-Capitalism, pointing out the fact that life expectancy rates and living standards have actually increased ever since Somalia turned towards stateless Capitalism.

Read this, I hope it will open your eyes up, my little Liberal-Conservative. http://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia
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Postby Arglorand » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:25 pm

Planita wrote:Can someone add me in as a member?

Don't worry; Aden will add you to the list next time he comes around.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:25 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Arglorand wrote:You can know that by the distinct lack of libertarians and minarchists here.

Macroeconomic focus on job creation... in the 21st century.
A living wage... in a business environment where a labour-intensive productive combination is the only selling point.
Breaking up banks and "strict banking regulations"... at all.
The German model... in a rural community.
Strong opposition to organised crime... in South America.
Welfare plans some developed countries don't even have... in a second world economy.
Parental leave... in a labour-intensive economy.
Car pooling... in a rural community.
Promoting alternative fuels... when there's a strong chance the petrol in the nation is what got us here at all.
Promoting electrical vehicles and charging stations... in a second world economy.
Nationalising important and vital markets... in a globalised economy.
Telling bosses and employees to play nice... in a labour-intensive economy.

Either update your platform to conform to a South American nation, as that's where we're headed, or seriously rethink all of your policy ideas from the top.


If I were in this party, I'd being having second thoughts about supporting a Latin American country. ;) Realism what's that?
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Postby The Democratic Left Central Committee » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:25 pm

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Planita wrote:Can someone add me in as a member?

Don't worry; Aden will add you to the list next time he comes around.


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Postby Dejanic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:28 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Macroeconomic focus on job creation... in the 21st century.
A living wage... in a business environment where a labour-intensive productive combination is the only selling point.
Breaking up banks and "strict banking regulations"... at all.
The German model... in a rural community.
Strong opposition to organised crime... in South America.
Welfare plans some developed countries don't even have... in a second world economy.
Parental leave... in a labour-intensive economy.
Car pooling... in a rural community.
Promoting alternative fuels... when there's a strong chance the petrol in the nation is what got us here at all.
Promoting electrical vehicles and charging stations... in a second world economy.
Nationalising important and vital markets... in a globalised economy.
Telling bosses and employees to play nice... in a labour-intensive economy.

Either update your platform to conform to a South American nation, as that's where we're headed, or seriously rethink all of your policy ideas from the top.


If I were in this party, I'd being having second thoughts about supporting a Latin American country. ;) Realism what's that?

Ignoring the fact ofc that Social Democratic parties dominate Latin American politics.

Aren't you in a National Bolshevik/Strasserist party anyway? This of course occurring after you had a breakdown and your own 1 man party imploded.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:30 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Arkolon wrote:No, until 2006 Somalia had many competing warlords all vying for power over the, or parts of the, country, and no institution recognised property rights, and the descent into this large-scale civil unrest was mostly due to foreign involvement in the country. It's funny you mention Somalia, and I pointed it out to you by asking you about it, because in many circles "Somalia is anarchy!" is actually taken as a joke argument, poking fun at people who actually believe it.

I've never come across someone who believed it, though. Well, until now.

Try Mises.Org, they've done many articles promoting the Anarcho-Capitalist system of Somalia and defending the continuous development of this system. And personally I trust reputable Anarcho-Capitalists on this issue over you.

A lot of An-Caps accept this, infact they use Somalia as an argument in favour of Anarcho-Capitalism, pointing out the fact that life expectancy rates and living standards have actually increased ever since Somalia turned towards stateless Capitalism.

Read this, I hope it will open your eyes up, my little Liberal-Conservative. http://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia


A much better "anarchy" would be closer to medieval Iceland, which had competing executives and you were able to pick and choose which chief to follow, or become one yourself if you thought they were all asses. Also you could bring them to court.

Mises.org article on Somalia is basically what Ark said - it's not actually viewed as anarchy - but even though it's not, the decentralized nature of Somalia actually made conditions improve among the populace.
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:30 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Arkolon wrote:No, until 2006 Somalia had many competing warlords all vying for power over the, or parts of the, country, and no institution recognised property rights, and the descent into this large-scale civil unrest was mostly due to foreign involvement in the country. It's funny you mention Somalia, and I pointed it out to you by asking you about it, because in many circles "Somalia is anarchy!" is actually taken as a joke argument, poking fun at people who actually believe it.

I've never come across someone who believed it, though. Well, until now.

Try Mises.Org, they've done many articles promoting the Anarcho-Capitalist system of Somalia and defending the continuous development of this system. And personally I trust reputable Anarcho-Capitalists on this issue over you.

A lot of An-Caps accept this, infact they use Somalia as an argument in favour of Anarcho-Capitalism, pointing out the fact that life expectancy rates and living standards have actually increased ever since Somalia turned towards stateless Capitalism.

Read this, I hope it will open your eyes up, my little Liberal-Conservative. http://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia

Source on any ancaps suggesting Somalia is an argument for anarcho-capitalism? Not the telecoms boom, or any market booms, but the actual handling of society and civility. Anarchism is a much bigger philosophy and ideology than just statelessness. Somalia is just statelessness, not anarchism. Anarchism is a serious, old cultural and political movement.

I also hoped you were above appeals to authority, as well as confusing mises.org as an anarchocapitalistic site, or even suggesting that the daily blog you linked me to, which states that it has nothing to do with the Mises Institute, has anything to do with the Mises Institue.
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Postby Dejanic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:32 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Dejanic wrote:[/b]
Try Mises.Org, they've done many articles promoting the Anarcho-Capitalist system of Somalia and defending the continuous development of this system. And personally I trust reputable Anarcho-Capitalists on this issue over you.

A lot of An-Caps accept this, infact they use Somalia as an argument in favour of Anarcho-Capitalism, pointing out the fact that life expectancy rates and living standards have actually increased ever since Somalia turned towards stateless Capitalism.

Read this, I hope it will open your eyes up, my little Liberal-Conservative. http://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia


A much better "anarchy" would be closer to medieval Iceland, which had competing executives and you were able to pick and choose which chief to follow, or become one yourself if you thought they were all asses. Also you could bring them to court.

Mises.org article on Somalia is basically what Ark said - it's not actually viewed as anarchy - but even though it's not, the decentralized nature of Somalia actually made conditions improve among the populace.

Don't try and turn this into a serious debate, I'm just doing what the right do when they insist that North Korea is Communist, somehow.

Though it doesn't help that there is a multitude of An-Caps that generally do call Somalia Anarcho-Capitalist, just like how some Juchests call NK Communist.
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:32 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
If I were in this party, I'd being having second thoughts about supporting a Latin American country. ;) Realism what's that?

Ignoring the fact ofc that Social Democratic parties dominate Latin American politics.

A social democratic party in Latin America and a social democratic party in Western Europe are two, very different things. You seem to have confused the two.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:32 pm

Dejanic wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
If I were in this party, I'd being having second thoughts about supporting a Latin American country. ;) Realism what's that?

Ignoring the fact ofc that Social Democratic parties dominate Latin American politics.

Aren't you in a National Bolshevik/Strasserist party anyway? This of course occurring after you had a breakdown and your own 1 man party imploded.


Please do NOT bring that up again.
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Postby Planita » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:33 pm

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Postby Dejanic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:33 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Dejanic wrote:[/b]
Try Mises.Org, they've done many articles promoting the Anarcho-Capitalist system of Somalia and defending the continuous development of this system. And personally I trust reputable Anarcho-Capitalists on this issue over you.

A lot of An-Caps accept this, infact they use Somalia as an argument in favour of Anarcho-Capitalism, pointing out the fact that life expectancy rates and living standards have actually increased ever since Somalia turned towards stateless Capitalism.

Read this, I hope it will open your eyes up, my little Liberal-Conservative. http://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia

Source on any ancaps suggesting Somalia is an argument for anarcho-capitalism? Not the telecoms boom, or any market booms, but the actual handling of society and civility. Anarchism is a much bigger philosophy and ideology than just statelessness. Somalia is just statelessness, not anarchism. Anarchism is a serious, old cultural and political movement.

I also hoped you were above appeals to authority, as well as confusing mises.org as an anarchocapitalistic site, or even suggesting that the daily blog you linked me to, which states that it has nothing to do with the Mises Institute, has anything to do with the Mises Institue.

LOL, this is what Social-Anarchists have been saying to An-Caps ever since the god forsaken ideology was formulated, just sayin. :lol2:
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