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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:26 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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It's even more alarming to see the statistics. Young black men have the short end of the stick here.


Indeed.

It doesn't mean that all minorities are less harmed by this racial profiling though.


Don't misunderstand, I don't mean that racial profiling of Latinos is of less importance.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:31 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Indeed.

It doesn't mean that all minorities are less harmed by this racial profiling though.


Don't misunderstand, I don't mean that racial profiling of Latinos is of less importance.


Oh I understand :p

I think another major issue is with how jury should be selected.

We're still not past the racist stages, and in such a heated political climate, there should be a better screening for jurors that takes racial mixture into account.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:34 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Don't misunderstand, I don't mean that racial profiling of Latinos is of less importance.


Oh I understand :p

I think another major issue is with how jury should be selected.

We're still not past the racist stages, and in such a heated political climate, there should be a better screening for jurors that takes racial mixture into account.


MO has quite a history of racism. It seems some people aren't surprised about Ferguson as much as, well, as I was when it happened.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Oh I understand :p

I think another major issue is with how jury should be selected.

We're still not past the racist stages, and in such a heated political climate, there should be a better screening for jurors that takes racial mixture into account.


MO has quite a history of racism. It seems some people aren't surprised about Ferguson as much as, well, as I was when it happened.


Being a History major and having seen and experienced racism first hand because of my immigrant status I can say I am not surprised to learn this.

It's sorta why I was musing the other day as well that perhaps I will never belong to America, because I don't think in such a racial way myself, whereas the rest of America clearly does.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:36 pm

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I just can't shake the feeling that this wasn't handled properly.


I feel like there might have been a procedural error, given the fact that with the available evidence in the case it should have at least gone past the GJ.


i diaagree. for reasons explained in the thread but we should save it for the thread if it reopens

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:39 pm

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I feel like there might have been a procedural error, given the fact that with the available evidence in the case it should have at least gone past the GJ.


i diaagree. for reasons explained in the thread but we should save it for the thread if it reopens


Oh I saw your defense. My question is, and I hope you can provide an answer since it probably got lost on G&D, is it procedurally correct for the defense to testify at a Grand Jury trial? I haven't heard of it myself.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:40 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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MO has quite a history of racism. It seems some people aren't surprised about Ferguson as much as, well, as I was when it happened.


Being a History major and having seen and experienced racism first hand because of my immigrant status I can say I am not surprised to learn this.

It's sorta why I was musing the other day as well that perhaps I will never belong to America, because I don't think in such a racial way myself, whereas the rest of America clearly does.


It's good you think color blindly. However, I will say that Latin America is not free of racism.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:40 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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i diaagree. for reasons explained in the thread but we should save it for the thread if it reopens


Oh I saw your defense. My question is, and I hope you can provide an answer since it probably got lost on G&D, is it procedurally correct for the defense to testify at a Grand Jury trial? I haven't heard of it myself.


yes, the defense is always offered the opportunity, they just never take it, because what is testified to in a grand jury can be used against the defendant in the trial

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:42 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Being a History major and having seen and experienced racism first hand because of my immigrant status I can say I am not surprised to learn this.

It's sorta why I was musing the other day as well that perhaps I will never belong to America, because I don't think in such a racial way myself, whereas the rest of America clearly does.


It's good you think color blindly. However, I will say that Latin America is not free of racism.


I'd say it's less obvious, but you're right, it's not free of racism either.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:42 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Oh I saw your defense. My question is, and I hope you can provide an answer since it probably got lost on G&D, is it procedurally correct for the defense to testify at a Grand Jury trial? I haven't heard of it myself.


yes, the defense is always offered the opportunity, they just never take it, because what is testified to in a grand jury can be used against the defendant in the trial


They can pretty much ask you anything, right? As in, you don't have the recourse of not incriminating yourself or something similar.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:43 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It's good you think color blindly. However, I will say that Latin America is not free of racism.


I'd say it's less obvious, but you're right, it's not free of racism either.


Mexico, for example, is very racist, so is Argentina for what I gather. And Cuban, DR and PR are no exceptions either.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:45 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I'd say it's less obvious, but you're right, it's not free of racism either.


Mexico, for example, is very racist, so is Argentina for what I gather. And Cuban, DR and PR are no exceptions either.


Mexico is very racist? :blink:

I mean I know that they're classists as all hell, but racist is a new one.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:46 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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Mexico, for example, is very racist, so is Argentina for what I gather. And Cuban, DR and PR are no exceptions either.


Mexico is very racist? :blink:

I mean I know that they're classists as all hell, but racist is a new one.


Yup.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:46 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
yes, the defense is always offered the opportunity, they just never take it, because what is testified to in a grand jury can be used against the defendant in the trial


They can pretty much ask you anything, right? As in, you don't have the recourse of not incriminating yourself or something similar.

you can always take the 5th, but if you answer a question sort of related it can be considered waving your right to the 5th to the question you dont want to answer.

Greed actually made a very good point in the thread, someone who understands the process and is comfortable with a grand jury changes the usual rules of saying as little as possible to anyone.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:48 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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They can pretty much ask you anything, right? As in, you don't have the recourse of not incriminating yourself or something similar.

you can always take the 5th, but if you answer a question sort of related it can be considered waving your right to the 5th to the question you dont want to answer.

Greed actually made a very good point in the thread, someone who understands the process and is comfortable with a grand jury changes the usual rules of saying as little as possible to anyone.


I think someone else explained that here. but it was a while ago. But thanks, that's what I wasn't entirely sure about.
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Note to self: emotional outbursts at people I already feel massive guilt towards do not help.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:23 am

The Holy Therns wrote:Note to self: emotional outbursts at people I already feel massive guilt towards do not help.

Indeed.

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The Holy Therns wrote:Note to self: emotional outbursts at people I already feel massive guilt towards do not help.


Guilt isn't fun.
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The Holy Therns wrote:Note to self: emotional outbursts at people I already feel massive guilt towards do not help.


Guilt isn't fun.

And guilt is not made of gold.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:28 am

The Holy Therns wrote:Note to self: emotional outbursts at people I already feel massive guilt towards do not help.


Such things are not particularly kind but sometimes they are understandable or even just. You're not an unmitigated douchecanoe like me, so you're doing relatively well.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:31 am

Gallade wrote:One would think I'd stop hurting my head by trying to divide by 13,000 every time I buy something to see if I'm getting a good deal. Just assume, Galla!


Everything's a pretty good deal if you divide the price by 13,000 :p
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