NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[The New World Oceania]

Any scale for time couldn't be universal, though. A lot of roleplays within the Senate move at a much slower pace than the Senate itself, and even the Chamber is bound to move far slower than one month=one year.

[Ainin]

Ä Nörth Gërmänïc Mëdïtërränëän Cöüntrÿ wïth wäÿ töö mänÿ dïäërësës, for some reason.

Yes that was a bit silly, though personally I had no problem with our diaereses.

But you didn't answer my question. What alternative to a parliamentarian system do you propose? A presidential one?

I don't know why I included the parliamentary system thing in my random rant, maybe because it's 1am and my concentration (as well as coherency as you can clearly see) are flat-out at near zero. I was mostly just talking about the North European island thing.

[Ainin]

Any scale for time couldn't be universal, though. A lot of roleplays within the Senate move at a much slower pace than the Senate itself, and even the Chamber is bound to move far slower than one month=one year.

Yeah, that's why we employ fluid time when we RP.

(e.g. RPing two people talking in a pub might take 5 hours but the conversation would only be 5 minutes ICly)

[Glasgia]

What do you propose instead?

Also I thought Aurentina was a Mediterranean country.

Ä Nörth Gërmänïc Mëdïtërränëän Cöüntrÿ wïth wäÿ töö mänÿ dïäërësës, for some reason.

Zë arr umlauts!

Personally, I think the concept of the culturally North European island nation (North Germanic Aurentina, West Slavic Baltonia and now West Germanic Vestmark) with a parliamentary system has been done to death.

I have always fancied something in the pacific with a very cosmopolitan mix of European and Asian but last time with Baltonia I was away when most of the stuff was decided.

I thought Baltonia was a decent concept, it just didn't quite fit with our western liberal player base

We all like taking potshots at the National Umlaut Commission and the Aurentine language, but it might be worth noting for the sake of intellectual honesty that a language is not a writing system (e.g. there's no such thing as the English alphabet, the language is English and the writing system can be anything from Roman/Latin to braille to IPA to sign language to, hell, Arabic characters if you're so inclined) and by most definitions the language itself was excellent.

The work by Fulflood and a few others (I didn't really do enough to credit myself tbh) was great, it was just Hippo's enforcements of that umlaut infested map... Everyone then had to work from that, though we tuned it down enough that I didn't really mind.

Any scale for time couldn't be universal, though. A lot of roleplays within the Senate move at a much slower pace than the Senate itself, and even the Chamber is bound to move far slower than one month=one year.

Yeah, that's my problem. A realistic time scale for elections means an unrealistic time scale for the chamber, but even a realistic time scale for the chamber would mean an unrealistic time scale for half our RPs.

[Of the Quendi]

I don't know why I included the parliamentary system thing in my random rant, maybe because it's 1am and my concentration (as well as coherency as you can clearly see) are flat-out at near zero. I was mostly just talking about the North European island thing.

Ah, well I am happy to slaughter a north european culture and replace it with something else (the NSG Senate always struck me like a legislature better suited for a banana republic then a well functioning democracy anyway; is that strange?). The parliamentary system I would hate to loose. Aurentina was already too semi-presidential for my tastes.

[CTALNH]

I still don't understand why you people didn't allow me to create a russian oblast!

[The Nihilistic view]

Any scale for time couldn't be universal, though. A lot of roleplays within the Senate move at a much slower pace than the Senate itself, and even the Chamber is bound to move far slower than one month=one year.

Yeah, that's why we employ fluid time when we RP.

(e.g. RPing two people talking in a pub might take 5 hours but the conversation would only be 5 minutes ICly)

Indeed, RPs in the senate have always been going at a different speed to the senate Chamber and even other RPs.

[Ainin]

Yeah, that's my problem. A realistic time scale for elections means an unrealistic time scale for the chamber, but even a realistic time scale for the chamber would mean an unrealistic time scale for half our RPs.

Even when our scale was 1 RL day = 1 IC day, that still happened.

For example, I remember one RP where someone's idiotic senator tried to go to vacation on Rome nonchalantly while being wanted simultaneously by the prosecution, defence, court marshals, constabularies, gendarmes, air marshals, SWAT team, airport security, transport police and air safety regulators. The RP of the SWAT teams boarding the 787 and grabbing him took 5 days, but only ICly 20 minutes.

[Intermountain States]

Yeah, that's my problem. A realistic time scale for elections means an unrealistic time scale for the chamber, but even a realistic time scale for the chamber would mean an unrealistic time scale for half our RPs.

Even when our scale was 1 RL day = 1 IC day, that still happened.

For example, I remember one RP where someone's idiotic senator tried to go to vacation on Rome nonchalantly while being wanted simultaneously by the prosecution, defence, court marshals, constabularies, gendarmes, air marshals, SWAT team, airport security, transport police and air safety regulators. The RP of the SWAT teams boarding the 787 and grabbing him took 5 days, but only ICly 20 minutes.

I think that was Dendart.

[The Nihilistic view]

I still don't understand why you people didn't allow me to create a russian oblast!

It's a shame, I thought it was the sort of thing that might have given Baltonia an added dimension that would have made it last longer.

[Great Nepal]

Any scale for time couldn't be universal, though. A lot of roleplays within the Senate move at a much slower pace than the Senate itself, and even the Chamber is bound to move far slower than one month=one year.

We can split into group of RP's: legislatures (so chamber, coffee shop and elections on one time scale), law enforcement (police and courts on another) and general (bars etc on separate time frame). We can then either use common sense or set scale between these three components.

[Glasgia]

Yeah, that's my problem. A realistic time scale for elections means an unrealistic time scale for the chamber, but even a realistic time scale for the chamber would mean an unrealistic time scale for half our RPs.

Even when our scale was 1 RL day = 1 IC day, that still happened.

For example, I remember one RP where someone's idiotic senator tried to go to vacation on Rome nonchalantly while being wanted simultaneously by the prosecution, defence, court marshals, constabularies, gendarmes, air marshals, SWAT team, airport security, transport police and air safety regulators. The RP of the SWAT teams boarding the 787 and grabbing him took 5 days, but only ICly 20 minutes.

I cried slightly inside when he did that... He just straight up said his senator had walked out of prison.... Dendart or someone? Fluid time should always be used in RP, but that becomes a problem when we're trying to play politics from the RPs

[Ainin]

@ Nepal Different police may be on different time scales (e.g. Constables RPing a raid on Belmaria's Führerbunker while Gendarmes RPing a security sweep of a train) though.

[Kouralia]

Any scale for time couldn't be universal, though. A lot of roleplays within the Senate move at a much slower pace than the Senate itself, and even the Chamber is bound to move far slower than one month=one year.

We can split into group of RP's: legislatures (so chamber, coffee shop and elections on one time scale), law enforcement (police and courts on another) and general (bars etc on separate time frame). We can then either use common sense or set scale between these three components.

By CJS would have to be separate to Police as the Police, if RP'd, basically exist to thwap the General bits.

[The Nihilistic view]

Even when our scale was 1 RL day = 1 IC day, that still happened.

For example, I remember one RP where someone's idiotic senator tried to go to vacation on Rome nonchalantly while being wanted simultaneously by the prosecution, defence, court marshals, constabularies, gendarmes, air marshals, SWAT team, airport security, transport police and air safety regulators. The RP of the SWAT teams boarding the 787 and grabbing him took 5 days, but only ICly 20 minutes.

I cried slightly inside when he did that... He just straight up said his senator had walked out of prison.... Dendart or someone? Fluid time should always be used in RP, but that becomes a problem when we're trying to play politics from the RPs

One was ok that's just silly but he did it at least twice, it was rather surreal.

[Ainin]

I cried slightly inside when he did that... He just straight up said his senator had walked out of prison.... Dendart or someone? Fluid time should always be used in RP, but that becomes a problem when we're trying to play politics from the RPs

One was ok that's just silly but he did it at least twice, it was rather surreal.

Should just have opened fire on him the second time.

[Kouralia]

#RIPSen.Orson

[Of the Quendi]

I cried slightly inside when he did that... He just straight up said his senator had walked out of prison.... Dendart or someone? Fluid time should always be used in RP, but that becomes a problem when we're trying to play politics from the RPs

One was ok that's just silly but he did it at least twice, it was rather surreal.

Pretty please can we make rules against something like that? Its called NSG Senate not NSG Most Wanted or NSG Houdini.

[Great Nepal]

@ Nepal Different police may be on different time scales (e.g. Constables RPing a raid on Belmaria's Führerbunker while Gendarmes RPing a security sweep of a train) though.

True, I have seen these types of RP (where interaction between people are RP'd) base their time scale on number of posts on interaction... there are drawbacks but this kind of time scale might serve to regulate different policing activity time.

[The Nihilistic view]

One was ok that's just silly but he did it at least twice, it was rather surreal.

Pretty please can we make rules against something like that? Its called NSG Senate not NSG Most Wanted or NSG Houdini.

There already are rules against god modding the admins enforce. Though in this case I believe we decided it would be more fun to allow him to get away with it and then charge his senator will more crimes than call GM.

[The Liberated Territories]

A Banana Republic a la Tropico would be a fun idea to I admit...

[Great Nepal]

Could we not do an island nation, both iterations so far have been islands lets do something completely different like landlocked nation perhaps in central/south Asia...

[The Liberated Territories]

Could we not do an island nation, both iterations so far have been islands lets do something completely different like landlocked nation perhaps in central/south Asia...

Cause that space is already occupied. A peninsula might work though if it sticks out into the sea.

[Great Nepal]

Could we not do an island nation, both iterations so far have been islands lets do something completely different like landlocked nation perhaps in central/south Asia...

Cause that space is already occupied. A peninsula might work though if it sticks out into the sea.

Split up one of the tiny nations, its not like 99% of world will really notice it.

[Ravenflight]

Cause that space is already occupied. A peninsula might work though if it sticks out into the sea.

Split up one of the tiny nations, its not like 99% of world will really notice it.

It happened in the US around 1860...i'm not good with my CSA history.