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Postby Lavan Tiri » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:34 pm

My gosh, Tiger.

It took like a minute just to scroll up the page.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:35 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:My gosh, Tiger.

It took like a minute just to scroll up the page.

Forgot to spoiler! It's fixed now!
You all are lucky I ran out of patience, I was like 20% of the way through...
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:36 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:My gosh, Tiger.

It took like a minute just to scroll up the page.

Forgot to spoiler! It's fixed now!
You all are lucky I ran out of patience, I was like 20% of the way through...


I rather enjoyed reading that, though.

Dat noob burn doe.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:37 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Forgot to spoiler! It's fixed now!
You all are lucky I ran out of patience, I was like 20% of the way through...


I rather enjoyed reading that, though.

Dat noob burn doe.

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Postby New Decius » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:40 pm

It is AH and AU for a reason. It took me three months.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:43 pm

New Decius wrote:It is AH and AU for a reason.

You asked for feedback as to how plausible it was. Those are your direct words.
Here is my feedback:
For all the multitude of reasons I have outlined (and many more besides that I haven't the time or inclination to expand on because that post is ridiculous), it is not remotely plausible in any way, shape or form.
It is not good.
It is bad.
Also, I suspect your weird hangup (that has surfaced multiple times) on making strange, implausible scenarios in which the Nazis won WW2 is rooted in some rather sordid ideological beliefs that I don't think I need to go into.
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I am so sorry.
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Postby Rupudska » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:59 pm

New Decius wrote:It is AH and AU for a reason. It took me three months.


Don't do research using Metapedia. The Metapedia is dark and full of Neo-Nazis.

In a vaguely related sense, I had an AH idea in which Britain won the American Revolution (due to winning at the Battle of Saratoga), set during a second revolution in either the 1960s or the present day.

I decided against it because it would require twenty metric fucktons of research to do properly.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:14 pm

Rupudska wrote:
New Decius wrote:It is AH and AU for a reason. It took me three months.


Don't do research using Metapedia. The Metapedia is dark and full of Neo-Nazis.

In a vaguely related sense, I had an AH idea in which Britain won the American Revolution (due to winning at the Battle of Saratoga), set during a second revolution in either the 1960s or the present day.

I decided against it because it would require twenty metric fucktons of research to do properly.

I was working on an alternate WWII where Russia won the Polish-Soviet War twenty years before, but then I said fuck AH.
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Postby Wolfenium » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:27 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Rupudska wrote:
Don't do research using Metapedia. The Metapedia is dark and full of Neo-Nazis.

In a vaguely related sense, I had an AH idea in which Britain won the American Revolution (due to winning at the Battle of Saratoga), set during a second revolution in either the 1960s or the present day.

I decided against it because it would require twenty metric fucktons of research to do properly.

I was working on an alternate WWII where Russia won the Polish-Soviet War twenty years before, but then I said fuck AH.


I actually spent a lot of time working on a mecha AH WWII-era RP, complete with walls and walls of text on the timeline and all. I still haven't really given up on it, but I got no response after posting the app so I assumed no one's interested. :/
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Postby Organized States » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:30 pm

Wolfenium wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I was working on an alternate WWII where Russia won the Polish-Soviet War twenty years before, but then I said fuck AH.


I actually spent a lot of time working on a mecha AH WWII-era RP, complete with walls and walls of text on the timeline and all. I still haven't really given up on it, but I got no response after posting the app so I assumed no one's interested. :/

I'm interested...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:32 pm

Oh wow. I just got done reading TK's murder-post, and I say it it more glorious than any criticism I could ever make.
Wolfenium wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I was working on an alternate WWII where Russia won the Polish-Soviet War twenty years before, but then I said fuck AH.


I actually spent a lot of time working on a mecha AH WWII-era RP, complete with walls and walls of text on the timeline and all. I still haven't really given up on it, but I got no response after posting the app so I assumed no one's interested. :/

Word of advice: Walls are over-rated. If you honestly need walls and walls of text to explain something, then I suggest looking for a publisher.
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Postby Wolfenium » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:34 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Wolfenium wrote:
I actually spent a lot of time working on a mecha AH WWII-era RP, complete with walls and walls of text on the timeline and all. I still haven't really given up on it, but I got no response after posting the app so I assumed no one's interested. :/

Word of advice: Walls are over-rated. If you honestly need walls and walls of text to explain something, then I suggest looking for a publisher.


Ya, should have went with just the above statement alone...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:43 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Word of advice: Walls are over-rated. If you honestly need walls and walls of text to explain something, then I suggest looking for a publisher.


Ya, should have went with just the above statement alone...

My current world-building project (The one I've been on and off about) is MassCraft Troopers: WarHalo. A mix of Halo, Warhammer, Mass Effect, a dash of Starship Troopers, and a whole bunch of other things. First I was shoehorning all the factions I could into the thing, but then I went back, had the Imperium destroy the UNSC, lost the Systems Alliance completely, and made the Terran Dominion (later federation) a former territory of the Imperium. Still in progress, as I'm on and off. Recently I've been focusing on helping with the /tg/ Heresy.
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Postby Wolfenium » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:55 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Wolfenium wrote:
Ya, should have went with just the above statement alone...

My current world-building project (The one I've been on and off about) is MassCraft Troopers: WarHalo. A mix of Halo, Warhammer, Mass Effect, a dash of Starship Troopers, and a whole bunch of other things. First I was shoehorning all the factions I could into the thing, but then I went back, had the Imperium destroy the UNSC, lost the Systems Alliance completely, and made the Terran Dominion (later federation) a former territory of the Imperium. Still in progress, as I'm on and off. Recently I've been focusing on helping with the /tg/ Heresy.


Needs Chaos. They, as always, will be the main driver of the enemy factions - nay - the story itself. :twisted:
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:57 pm

Wolfenium wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:My current world-building project (The one I've been on and off about) is MassCraft Troopers: WarHalo. A mix of Halo, Warhammer, Mass Effect, a dash of Starship Troopers, and a whole bunch of other things. First I was shoehorning all the factions I could into the thing, but then I went back, had the Imperium destroy the UNSC, lost the Systems Alliance completely, and made the Terran Dominion (later federation) a former territory of the Imperium. Still in progress, as I'm on and off. Recently I've been focusing on helping with the /tg/ Heresy.


Needs Chaos. They, as always, will be the main driver of the enemy factions - nay - the story itself. :twisted:

Oh yeah, and it's pre-heresy. I'm also cutting the Warp out and making the Imperium use the mass effect to power their masculinity. Also, the Imperium's lasweapons rendered mass effect shielding obsolete during the war with the Citadel, a weakness in turn counteracted by adopting and mass-producing suspended energy fields derived from SPARTAN and Covenant technology.
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Postby Wolfenium » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:10 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
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Needs Chaos. They, as always, will be the main driver of the enemy factions - nay - the story itself. :twisted:

Oh yeah, and it's pre-heresy. I'm also cutting the Warp out and making the Imperium use the mass effect to power their masculinity. Also, the Imperium's lasweapons rendered mass effect shielding obsolete during the war with the Citadel, a weakness in turn counteracted by adopting and mass-producing suspended energy fields derived from SPARTAN and Covenant technology.


That's a lot to work on. I don't think I'll join anyway (not that in to Western fandoms), but good luck.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:03 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
New Decius wrote:I am making an alternate history RP wherein the Nazi's or the Axis in general won the war and then a Resistance Movement in the 1960's rises up to dislodge the Nazi's from their rule. I want to know a general opinion on the backstory I've setup, whether it makes sense or not.

Oh Decius, Decius, Decius.
It has been too long.

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New Decius wrote:When the Allies were completely defeated at Normandy,

Now how'd that happen?
New Decius wrote: the Russians were unable to make a decisive push against the Germans because no new troops were required to be transferred to the Western Front meaning the Eastern Front stood at a standstill on both sides.

Now that's completely wrong, given that the Bagration Offensive (which shattered Army Group Center and trapped Army Group North in the Baltic States) was planned completely independent of D-Day, and went ahead before the Germans could make any troops withdrawals westwards (6/20/44).
Even if D-Day had failed, Bagration would've annihilated the German lines two weeks later anyways. It wouldn't have made any difference.
New Decius wrote: On June 12th, 1944 Allied High Command discovered that German Agents within British Intelligence had passed the information along to Hitler that the supposed Invasion of Calais or another point was a fake

Wildly implausible. MI5 and the SOE had annihilated any semblance of a Nazi intelligence network within Britain by practically the end of the first month of the war. The only agents remaining were the ones that the security services had managed to capture and turn. The Germans were terrible at securing their assets.
Granted, both services were riddled with SOVIET moles, but that only became a major problem after the war was over. Germany was pratically incapable of keeping ONE spy safe in britain, much less a network.
New Decius wrote: and the real strike was coming at Normandy allowing the German General's Staff to organize a suitable counter-attack

See, that's problematic too, given Hitler's prejudices. The Germans actually had some info - gained mainly from French resistance fighters who had been captured - that the attack was coming in the Cherbourg-Caen area. They even had a snippet of the Maquis trigger phrase that would signal an imminent attack. The problem was, Hitler had convinced himself years in advance (thanks mainly to what had happened at Dieppe) that if an Allied landing was coming, it would HAVE to be at Calais, and that anything else was an Allied lie (except for maybe the threat to Norway, given Churchill's hang-up with the Narvik iron field). It made sense - Calais was closer, the British had had a historical connection to the place, and it was held as truth that the Allies would have to land right at or in a port (like at Dieppe). The idea of the Allied force landing at some desolate beach expanse like in Normandy was thought of as logistical suicide.
Hitler had committed himself to Calais being the target years before, and going back on his word was inconceivable. He'd staked his entire reputation as a military genius on the location being Calais, and he was fully prepared to disregard any information to the contrary as a deception.
Basically, he had Bodyguard backwards.
New Decius wrote: and hit the Allies once they believed they had taken the beaches.

That's a weird way to write that. "Believed they had taken the beaches"?
Either they had or they hadn't. It's not a matter of belief.
And so you're basically committing to the Geyr plan of "all-out inland panzer attack" over Rommel's "panzers on the beach" strategy?
The problem with that is that the Germans actually ended up executing Geyr's plan (more or less, and six weeks later) during Operation Luttich, where Hitler stripped the defensive perimeter bare of tanks and hurled then at the "weakest point" of the American lines at Mortain.
It didn't work. Allied air supremacy was total, the troops held on, the US tanks rode to the rescue and German offensive power was shattered right on time for the August breakout with Cobra. It didn't work then, why would it have worked here?
Hell, if anything, such an attack might have shortened the war by two or so months, destroying German armored power like that.
In addition, French transportation infrastructure was completely fucked. The old scare stories about what might have happened if the Calais garrison or all the Panzers in France had converged at Normandy is undercut by the fact that Allied air supremacy was so total, any attempt at sending reinforcements en masse would have just given the Tac Air Force and the RAF a shooting gallery. It took MONTHS for a panzer division to cross France - and not many Panzer divisions were in convenient locations to begin with.
New Decius wrote: With this revelation of British Intelligence being compromised in such a large way, it brought Allied Efforts across Europe and North Africa to a halt, not knowing whether or not to trust the information they were given.

There were no "Allied Efforts" in North Africa in 1944. The Italo-German Panzer Army surrendered in April of '43.
And why would British intelligence being deemed untrustworthy compromise American efforts? We had the OSS. We didn't need the British.
The entire Allied war effort was not hanging on the trustworthiness of the SOE.
New Decius wrote:Taking advantage of this, German Forces swept down into Italy beating back the Allied Forces there, fielding a brand new weapon from their Wunderwaffe Program, the Panzer VIII Maus Super Tank, crushing Allied Troops across the Italian Front.

Oh, for fuck's sake.
The Maus couldn't go up a fucking hill. How the hell could it have survived in Italy? The whole fucking country's a mountain range - and that's right smack where the Allied lines were in mid-44, high up in the Apennines.
Besides, as we have been through time and again, the Maus may have been literally the worst tank ever invented. For all that armor, a fighter-bomber strike would have killed it just as dead as a Panzer II. Infantry with satchel charges could've maneuvered around it and destroyed it with ease. Shermans could run rings around it. It was so slow, it could barely move on level ground. Judging from other German tanks of that weight class, it would also almost certainly have broken down constantly. It also probably would have broken every single bridge it tried to cross, given that it WEIGHED 190 TONS (for comparison, the most modern Abrams weighs about 120 tons).
To say nothing of fuel consumption.
New Decius wrote: By September, 1944 German Forces had recaptured Italy and restored Mussolini to power, bringing Italy back into the war.

Germany would never have allowed an independent Italy to exist again. Why would they? The country didn't support Mussolini anymore, they'd already proven themselves fatally unreliable by surrendering, and Hitler didn't like sharing power.
Makes no sense.
New Decius wrote: The new Italian Government which had declared war on Germany was wiped out and its supporters forced to flee the country.

There goes like 35% of the population, because nobody in the Allied Italian zones could stand Germany after liberation!
New Decius wrote: In October, the Allied Powers on the Western and African Fronts made a push to try and force the Germans to relocate troops from the Eastern Front to counter it in order to free up Russian Forces to push forward.

There was no "African Front" anymore.
New Decius wrote: Halfway through the month, an all out Bombing Attack was launched against German-Occupied France, with over 1,000 Bombers participating in the action across Occupied France targeting Supply and Troop positions. However, yet another weapon flowed out from the Wunderwaffe Program, two actually,

Are you trying to be cute?
Or did you literally forget what you were going to write and then remembered halfway through, but left it in anyways?
New Decius wrote: the first being the Flakpanzer Kugelblitz a Self-Propelled AA Gun which wreaked havoc in the sky

You do realize what the Kugelblitz was, right?
It was two 30mm AA guns sitting in a turret. It was not exactly revolutionary.
And it would have been useless against high-level bombing (or at least, no better than any normal set of AA guns), because it was designed to do one thing - to move with panzer formations and defend them against fighter-bomber strikes. Using them as static rear-echelon AA against high-level bombing is a ridiculous waste.
New Decius wrote: and the second being the Focke-Wulf Ta 152 High Altitude Fighter.

No way the Germans could have produced enough to make a difference.
New Decius wrote:Together these two new weapons destroyed more than half of the Bomber Force launched by the Allies with the Allied Air Power only able to inflict minimal damage against the German Forces in France.

The Ta152, even by the most generous estimates, would have not been nearly good enough to achieve those kind of results, and we've already established how the Kugelblitz wouldn't have mattered at all.
Oh, and here's a sterling testament of the early TA-152's quality:
It was found that critical systems were lacking sufficient quality control. Problems arose with superchargers, pressurized cockpits leaked, the engine cooling system was unreliable at best due in part to unreliable oil temperature monitoring, and in several instances the landing gear failed to properly retract.

What an amazing plane! Surely, a handful of those would be capable of downing >500 bombers at a go!
New Decius wrote: The German Wonder Weapon Program churned out more and more new weapons to use against the Allies, utilizing every last scientific mind in the Third Reich and putting more than 40% of the industry under the supervision of the program.

There are hardly words for how ridiculous this is.
First off, there was no "German wonder weapons program". There never was, because the various German services would rather have slit their own throats than cooperate with each other. What you had instead was a group of little fiefdoms in the Army/Luftwaffe/Navy/SS/whoever the fuck else, all trying to get Hitler's ear for their projects at the direct expense of everybody else. Suddenly, every German becomes selfless?
Second, German scientific minds were hardly reliable weapons-makers. Heisenberg, the foremost nuclear physicist left in Germany, was of the staunch opinion that making a nuclear bomb was impossible and wouldn't be shifted on the issue. He was maybe the single greatest roadblock to the German nuke program of all of them, and to many, he was also the indispensable component.
Third, the Germans had barely grasped the idea of military mass-production and industrial conscription by 1944 - and now, suddenly this mythical "program" has MORE THAN FORTY FUCKING PERCENT OF GERMAN INDUSTRY? Fucking hell, Speer couldn't make the Wolfsburg auto plant turn over to military production for years on end!
Given the pace of development, this would run the German war machine into the ground within a week. Just keeping up its basic obligations - bullets, butter, boots, etc - was straining the German economy to the limit. Do you have any idea how expensive and long-term such a program would be? It would take decades to make all the advances you're handing the Germans, at an absolutely unimaginable expense, and would require more labor and resources than existed in Continental Europe.
Fourth, the German economic policy was such a clusterfuck that there was basically no method for anybody - not even Hitler, to "turn over" industry to a project, much less on the scale you're talking about. Nothing. The Allies could sign juicy contracts with GM or the Kaiser yards to make tanks or carriers or whatever, and the Soviets had a very clear chain of command when it came to the design bureaus and what they should make and how much, but the Germans had no system at all - it was a total anarchy of competing branches and bureaus, all of them filled with corrupt and ignorant bureaucrats, and Hitler didn't care to manage it. Speer never got the hang of the system until practically 1945, and by then it was far too late.
New Decius wrote:The Germans bombed London, Moscow, and numerous other targets using their new He 343 Jet Bomber's;

Never even got off the drawing board, and now, suddenly, the Germans have massive fleets of them by October of 1944? How fast do you think it takes to develop a normal plane, much less one that would objectively be the most advanced in the world? At the rate the Germans were going, it would take decades!
But no - you think the Nazis are so awesome that they can design, test, produce, and fly the most advanced plane in the world in...what? Eight weeks?
Axiswank.
New Decius wrote: The Luftwaffe shattered the Allied Bomber Power with their Me 262 and Ho 229 Jet Fighters;

The Germans made 262s during the war.
They did not make any difference.
Oh, and of course, they have a magic fleet of Hortens, too.
Sure was good the Nazis had so many wizards to magic all these planes up for them out of nowhere - and all the fuel to fly them with too (because by your point of divergence in June, the German oil supply was already shattered beyond repair)!
New Decius wrote: The German Naval Power rose again with the new H-Class Battleships and Rocket U-Boat Ballistic Missile Submarines;

Oh, come on.
OK, let me go over this in detail:
First, the Germans only had a tiny number of actual military shipyards capable of heavy construction. If I'm generous, I'll say they had four: Bremen, Wilhelmshaven, Kiel, and Hamburg, Four ports. All of those ports had had the absolute shit bombed out of them by 1944, to the point where the remnants of the German battle fleet had to be hidden up in Norway. The facilities there were shattered - it would take actual decades just to fixc thyem up, much less make new battleships froms cratch.
Second, do you know how long it took to make the Bismarck and Tirpitz under pretty easygoing wartime conditions - no bombing, war going well?

It took over four whole years.

But that's OK. To you, the Nazis were apparently so awesome they can magic up a whole fleet out of thin air in...what? A week? I'm amazed you didn't just say they teleported them in from another dimension.
Besides, if the German battleship antics of the early war proved anything, it was that battleships were fucking useless anyways. The Tirpitz spent its entire lifepsan hiding at Trondheim because everybody knew it'd get annihilated if it poked its head out, and the Bismarck was hunted down like a mangy dog the second it got into the Atlantic.

Battleships were a waste of time, on top of being totally, categorically, objectively impossible to make so fast.
New Decius wrote: The Wehrmacht utilized their new Super Tanks to spearhead their way forward on the Eastern Front.

At the incredibly speed of SIX MILES AN HOUR, while getting blown up by Sturmoviks, trapped in the mud, drowned because of river bridges breaking, and suffering constant breakdowns all the while!
New Decius wrote: In order to meet the industrial capacity required to keep up the production of their new War Machines, the Nazi's invaded Spain and Portugal from France taking the two countries in just three weeks,

Holy Jesus Christ.
"To meet industrial capacity, the Germans decided to hugely expand the war by invading two countries comprising an absolutely massive amount of land to occupy and with a legendary tradition of partisan resistance, neither of which had any actual industry to begin with".
Plus, German tanks couldn't get over the Pyrenees in three weeks, much less across the country.
New Decius wrote: whilst another force seized Romania and Bulgaria.

Good of the wizards to magic up "another force" for the Germans!
New Decius wrote: This allowed the German War Machine to be sustained.

Also, all the magic unobtainium that served as a literally limitless source of fuel, food, steel, industrial capacity, and literally everything else helped out too!
Jesus Christ. This is so bad.
New Decius wrote: In order to sustain the economy of the Reich, Hitler ordered the revival of the more humane industries such as Automobiles and Agriculture, mostly in the occupied territories.

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW?
From all the stuff you've described, you're overestimating German labor and industrial capacity by...I'd estimate approximately 800-900% at a conservative estimate (and that includes occupied areas, and yet somehow they have the spare industry and labor to let people go back to civilian work?
Good lord, how much more of this is there?
New Decius wrote: Throughout the remainder of 1944 and into early 1945, the revived Axis Powers in Europe beat back the Allies on all Fronts,

Listen: I know you have a huge, throbbing erection for the Nazis, but could you maybe not flaunt it so publicly? It's embarrassing.
New Decius wrote: whilst in the Pacific the Japanese Empire was in a holdout against the United States. German Scientists found their way via U-Boat to Japan to help them develop their way to get back to winning the war.

Did they bring their unicorn that they named Fluffy?
New Decius wrote: On March 3rd, 1945 as a combined Filipino/American Assault was being made to capture Manila, the Japanese fielded the product of the combined German-Japanese Scientific Initiative: The Kawanishi Baika Jet Fighter,

Of which thousands were made in about two hours!
New Decius wrote: which swept across the sky's destroying the Allied Air Cover and turning the tide for the Japanese so that they were now the winning side.

A single fighter does not a total air-sea-land victory make.
New Decius wrote: The next day multiple V-2 Rockets loaned to Japan by Germany are launched and the Allied Fleet still anchored off Manila is wiped out,

Holy fucking shit.
V-2s could only reliably hit a city-size target.
How the fuck can it hit ships? Much less enough to "destroy a fleet"?
New Decius wrote: and soon after the road to Rangoon is once again secured by Japanese Troops.

Through maaaagic!
New Decius wrote: Following that another new weapon; the Japanese Nakajima G10N Ultra-Long Range Heavy Bomber,

Fueled by nothing other than ordinary rice husks and grass, because that was all the fuel Japan had!
New Decius wrote: the project having been restarted earlier,

Oh that's convenient.
New Decius wrote: was fielded and used to bomb multiple American Bases in the Pacific on March 12th through 16th.

Apparently, the US Air Force has decided to go home and have a good cry.
Seriously, do the Allies do literally anything in this little screed besides fail and shake their fists at the heavens?
New Decius wrote: These repercussions threw a monkey wrench into previous American Plans for victory in the Pacific, which was a very hoped for victory considering the worsening Allied Situation in Europe.

Oh, never mind.
New Decius wrote: However by April 1st, 1945 when Japanese Warships began shelling American Forces on Iwo Jima,

Oh, so the Japanese fleet magically came back from the dead too?
Were they fueled by unicorn farts and cherry blossoms?
New Decius wrote: it became clear that victory in the Pacific was at that moment as far off as victory in Europe.

Well, that's what happens when the person writing the story is obviously pulling very hard for one side to win, for reasons that are seem more than a little bit icky.
New Decius wrote: With the Japanese having the benefit of some of the best scientists of the Wunderwaffe Program,

The Germans having an infinity of scientists capable of designing, testing producing, and refining perfect wonder weapons in a matter of hours...
New Decius wrote: the Allies now were facing super weapons on all fronts.

Serves them right for not being Nazis!
Am I right, Decius?
New Decius wrote: Not only that but with the help of the Germans, the Japanese developed a new code without the knowledge of the Allies.

Not only that, but Hirohito was secretly fucking Eleanor Roosevelt and Winnie Churchill on the side, as Hitler went and gave Stalin an atomic swirlie while Mussolini dumped his books!
New Decius wrote: Allied Intelligence kept intercepting Japanese Messages but without the ability to decode them.

I would seriously point out all the historical errors and impossibiolities in all this (namely, that the Japanese were convinced that no white people could ever crack ANY of their codes), but I'm starting to realize how utterly pointless that is.
Jesus Christ, how much time did you spend on this?
All that time, you could've actually been researching the actual, you know, realities of the war...or...doing anything else...
New Decius wrote: This meant that the Allies know longer could be one step ahead of the Japanese.

Then, everybody in America literally choked on their own saliva, because in this universe, anyone who isn't a Nazi or Imperial Japanese is literally retarded!
New Decius wrote: A true low for the Allies came on May 26th, 1945 when more than two hundred German V-2 Rockets were launched at various targets in Russia, wiping out over one and half million Soviet Troops in just one day.

*sigh*
That is a kill ratio of >7500 dead per rocket.
The highest death total ever reported from a single rocket strike was about 500, when a V-2 hit a movie theater in Holland in a freak occurrence (it was off-target anyways).
Come ON, Decius.
New Decius wrote: Following that on May 27th, German Forces made a blitzkrieg into Russia capturing positions from Leningrad down to Rostov effectively establishing a line separating Soviet Russia from German-Occupied Russia.

It sure was a good thing the Russians were sitting around with their thumbs up their asses!
Also, there is literally no worse tank in the world then the Maus for "blitzkrieg". The thing's a barely-mobile, deeply shitty bunker.
New Decius wrote: The Russians did not have much breathing time as on June 1st, the Germans fielded another weapon; the Schwerer Gustav Rail-Mounted Howitzer

Hey, a weapon that actually could have existed at the time! Sweet Jesus!
With only the tiny weakness that it took months to move literally anywhere, and was only rail-mobile!
New Decius wrote: and with their new line established about 200 Kilometers west of Moscow,

Why 200? Why not 100, Why not 50? Apparently, the Germans are magic, so why not just say they teleported an army right into the Kremlin?
Believe me, if you can make a battleship flotilla in a month, you can teleport.
New Decius wrote: that meant that German Forces could shell any Russian Forces and Defensive Emplacements on the outskirts of the Russian Capital's Defense Line.

The funny thing is, 200 km is literally four times the range of the Gustav alone.
I mean...this is not hard to look up. It took five seconds.
New Decius wrote: On June 5th, another V-2 Bombardment took place against Soviet Cities to the east of Rostov, wiping out over a million Soviet Troops

Those are some magic V-2s, man.
New Decius wrote: and allowing German Troops to launch another push on June 7th, capturing the way to Turkey

Sure. Why the hell not.
New Decius wrote: and extending their line so that it spanned from the Sea of Azov to the Caspian Sea. In mid-June, Stalin began trying to negotiate a peace agreement with Hitler but the only condition the Nazi Leader would accept is absolute submission of the Soviet Nation to German Rule and the disbandment of the Soviet Armed Forces along with the release of all German Prisoners of War.

I genuinely feel like I'm reading what amounts to the worldbuilding for Nazi slashfic, with Hitler as the Mary Sue protagonist.
New Decius wrote: However Hitler knew it was vital to make sure that the Russians were unable to destroy any valuable recourses that German Forces could capture

If you're done tongue-bathing Hitler for a moment...
New Decius wrote: so he ordered that the Luftwaffe begin dropping Paratroopers into Industrial Areas and such before attacks so they could prevent the Russians from destroying what could be vital factories. The tactic saw much success considering the already mass disorder amongst the Red Army.

Why the hell would Hitler have even cared? He already had wizards conjuring wonderweapons and whole battlefleets for him out of thin air?
I can't believe I'm still seriously engaging with this.
New Decius wrote: Whilst the Germans advanced on the Eastern Front, at the same time the Allied Powers in the west attempted yet another invasion of German-Occupied Europe, this time selecting Dunkirk and Calais, with the British and French taking Calais and America and other Resistance Forces taking Dunkirk. More than half a million Troops were to be utilized in Dunkirk and over a million were to be used at Calais and full support was to be provided by the RAF and Allied Naval Forces in England. It was the Western Allies desperate all-out last attempt to turn the tide of the war. The two Invasion Forces were launched from Portsmouth on May 28th, 1945 however not more than an hour later they were spotted from the air.

Why are you writing this?
Seriously, though, do you get off to this?
What narrative purpose does ANY of this serve?
I don't know if you're a Nazi or not, but I seriously don't know what anybody would get out of this if they weren't a Nazi.
New Decius wrote:They were not even spotted by a Recon Plane but the lead plane of a German Bomber Group on its way to bomb a target in Britain.

Why is this important?

I can't go any further - partially because that this is now basically beyond meaningful criticism beyond "none of this makes any sense", and partially because it would take me a full day and night to get through this unformatted, wall-o-text nightmare.
This is ridiculous. I have no idea why anyone would devote THAT level of effort to getting things so totally wrong, unless they got off on the idea of the Nazis being perfect and flawless.
This would probably fit better on Stormfront, honestly.
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The lesson, here, children, is do NOT fuck with Tigger when it comes to WWII. He will thoroughly kick your ass with experience on the subject.

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Don't do research using Metapedia. The Metapedia is dark and full of Neo-Nazis.

In a vaguely related sense, I had an AH idea in which Britain won the American Revolution (due to winning at the Battle of Saratoga), set during a second revolution in either the 1960s or the present day.

I decided against it because it would require twenty metric fucktons of research to do properly.


When I get more comfortable writing, I plan to start that Korean War Zombie Apocalypse RP I've been talking about for all these months.

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I was working on an alternate WWII where Russia won the Polish-Soviet War twenty years before, but then I said fuck AH.


I actually spent a lot of time working on a mecha AH WWII-era RP, complete with walls and walls of text on the timeline and all. I still haven't really given up on it, but I got no response after posting the app so I assumed no one's interested. :/


I've never really liked the concept of mecha. Too damn fucking implausible.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:29 pm

"Too damn fucking implausible"

This is P2TM, not II. Implausible is like a baby step.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:35 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:"Too damn fucking implausible"

This is P2TM, not II. Implausible is like a baby step.

DON'T EVEN FUCKING THINK ABOUT STARTING THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN.

Seriously, mecha are a pet peeve of Grenartia's. It's best to agree to disagree with them.
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Postby Wolfenium » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:59 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:"Too damn fucking implausible"

This is P2TM, not II. Implausible is like a baby step.


The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:"Too damn fucking implausible"

This is P2TM, not II. Implausible is like a baby step.

DON'T EVEN FUCKING THINK ABOUT STARTING THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN.

Seriously, mecha are a pet peeve of Grenartia's. It's best to agree to disagree with him.


Alright. I'll just nod furtively while I work on it. AH needs a bit of fixing. :D
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Postby Terintania » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:23 pm

RP INTEREST AND FEEDBACK REQUEST
Please provide as much detail as possible.
RP's Overarching Concept: A 'Multiverse' RP, based in a zombie apocalypse. You play as characters from movies, shows, games or books, in a zombie-apocalypse survival scenario. There will be special zombies, so for some of the more powerful characters, there will still be challenges. However, powers will be severely restricted to keep the RP from being too easy.
Genre/s: Survival, Multiverse (?)
Character or Faction Based: Character.
Detailed Description:There's not really a ton of details to this RP. Characters from many shows, movies, games and whatnot have been taken from their worlds, and dumped on one where they must band together to survive. But can they? Some characters may be at odds with each other. Will they be able to put all that aside for survival? Or will their feuds bring them to their graves?

Need Help With:Just general interest.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:30 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:"Too damn fucking implausible"

This is P2TM, not II. Implausible is like a baby step.

DON'T EVEN FUCKING THINK ABOUT STARTING THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN.

Seriously, mecha are a pet peeve of Grenartia's. It's best to agree to disagree with him.


Uh, I prefer "them" to "him", thanks.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:39 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:"Too damn fucking implausible"

This is P2TM, not II. Implausible is like a baby step.

If you ask for feedback as to plausibility...
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Postby Finland SSR » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:10 pm

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