Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[The Traditional Catholic Papal States]

1: Yes, you said gender "means nothing". 2: And people don't have "sex change" surgery?

1: In reality, it doesn't. Masculinity and femininity are meaningless and created by society.
2: Some might, I suppose, but not all transsexual people do/will.

I disagree on both counts but I will focus on the second one. In most first world nations, where this idea that someone can "transgender" is accepted by the majority and if they have the funds for the surgery, they will most likely do so.

[Luveria]

I'm okay with that as long as they have a list of available options like

N/A
Genderless
Bigender
Trigender
Quadgender
Transgender
Pangender
Genderqueer
etc.

How can someone possibly be 3 or 4 genders. I'm not criticizing, I'm just asking

I've known one bigender person. She's on HRT and said some days she feels like a feminine male and other days like a masculine female, and living as a female was the closest thing to resolving that so she went on HRT.

With that said, I can guess a trigender person might feel genderless some days, female the other, or male others. Or androgynous, genderqueer, or feminine male. Gender identity can be a complex thing.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

They changed that definition, because they figured out that it wasn't a mental illness.

It can't be wrong for 2,000 years and then be arbitrarily changed by some liberal hippies in the '70's.

Yes, because science was so advanced back in the B.Cs. Yes, society was prosperous and science flourished before them fags came 'round and destroyed our beautifully theocratic society! #Bigotry

[The Scientific States]

As we've said before, it's a free enterprise who can fire who they please. It's hypocritical of you to be pro free market, while thinking this is an outrage.

Also, who the hell links to Facebook? Make your own argument, don't misuse a meme.

I'm just saying, what they did is class A hypocrisy.

How so?

[New Molsona]

I'm just saying, what they did is class A hypocrisy.

How so?

They talk about being tolerant, and yet, they refuse to tolerate Robertson's religious beliefs

[The Scientific States]

How so?

They talk about being tolerant, and yet, they refuse to tolerate Robertson's religious beliefs

That's not what it's about, it's all about ratings. They don't want their company to lose money or lose ratings because of the remark.

[Alyekra]

How so?

They talk about being tolerant, and yet, they refuse to tolerate Robertson's religious beliefs

Where did they do that?

[Geilinor]

I'm okay with that as long as they have a list of available options like

N/A
Genderless
Bigender
Trigender
Quadgender
Transgender
Pangender
Genderqueer
etc.

How can someone possibly be 3 or 4 genders. I'm not criticizing, I'm just asking

Trigender.

Trigenderism is a non-binary gender identity in which one shifts between or among the stereotypical behaviors of male, female, and a third gender (genderless, a mix of male and female, or any other variety of genderqueer identities)

[Fascist Russian Empire]

How so?

They talk about being tolerant, and yet, they refuse to tolerate Robertson's religious beliefs

Because homophobic beliefs are harmful to society. Homosexuality ain't. In other words, don't condone the harmful and bigoted beliefs, tolerate the ones that harm nobody.

[Resawa]

Why?

For things like maternity leave? Divorce proceedings? Identity verification?

Naaah divorce worked way better without the government

[Fascist Russian Empire]

1: In reality, it doesn't. Masculinity and femininity are meaningless and created by society.
2: Some might, I suppose, but not all transsexual people do/will.

I disagree on both counts but I will focus on the second one. In most first world nations, where this idea that someone can "transgender" is accepted by the majority and if they have the funds for the surgery, they will most likely do so.

Source?

[Othelos]

1: In reality, it doesn't. Masculinity and femininity are meaningless and created by society.
2: Some might, I suppose, but not all transsexual people do/will.

I disagree on both counts but I will focus on the second one. In most first world nations, where this idea that someone can "transgender" is accepted by the majority and if they have the funds for the surgery, they will most likely do so.

You're acting like being transgender isn't genuine.

[Liriena]

I'm okay with that as long as they have a list of available options like

N/A
Genderless
Bigender
Trigender
Quadgender
Transgender
Pangender
Genderqueer
etc.

How can someone possibly be 3 or 4 genders. I'm not criticizing, I'm just asking

I can see how it could happen. A person could possess traits commonly associated with both of the elements of the traditional man/woman binary, as well as traits belonging to gender identities not belonging to that binary.

[Othelos]

How so?

They talk about being tolerant, and yet, they refuse to tolerate Robertson's religious beliefs

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=244160515745914&set=a.240851522743480.1073741828.240840962744536&type=1&theater

You do realize that A&E put him on leave because his comments were bad for ad revenue, right? Not because of The Liberal Agenda™.

[Geilinor]

For things like maternity leave? Divorce proceedings? Identity verification?

Naaah divorce worked way better without the government

You don't want civil marriage to exist at all? Governments have recognized marriage since at least Roman times.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I disagree on both counts but I will focus on the second one. In most first world nations, where this idea that someone can "transgender" is accepted by the majority and if they have the funds for the surgery, they will most likely do so.

You're acting like being transgender isn't genuine.

He also says that love between two men ain't genuine. So, really, it ain't a surprise.

[Othelos]

You're acting like being transgender isn't genuine.

He also says that love between two men ain't genuine. So, really, it ain't a surprise.

I'd like to see what he says after meeting a gay/transgender person.

[The Scientific States]

He also says that love between two men ain't genuine. So, really, it ain't a surprise.

I'd like to see what he says after meeting a gay/transgender person.

He's already met some on this site, if that counts.

[Liriena]

It can't be wrong for 2,000 years and then be arbitrarily changed by some liberal hippies in the '70's.

This post lacks a shred of logic. They said it was wrong for many years because no scientific studies had been done on the matter. They finally conducted several peer reviewed scientific studies on the matter, which lead them to a conclusion that being transgender doesn't make you mentally ill.

You're logic is like "slavery can't be right for thousands of years, then all of a sudden be wrong."

Actually, there were some 'studies', but Evelyn Hooker exposed their shitty sampling methods and religious bias. Namely, she exposed the fact that previous 'studies' exclusively used homosexual individuals already undergoing psychiatric treatment for serious disorders.

[Vareiln]

1: If it means nothing, why is on nearly every government form in nearly ever nation of the world? 2: Gender does mean something to many people. 3: If it did not, people would not have "sex change" surgery to "change" their sex so it matches their gender.

1: It might be in case in a few backward nations, but it ain't the case in most European nations.
2: I didn't say it didn't. I said that it's a societal construct.
3: They don't, depending on the nation.

1. I wouldn't call the US backwards, for one...
2. You did say it means nothing.
3. Well, some countries forbid it, and it's not necessarily involved in all transitions.

[Kantanska]

It can't be wrong for 2,000 years and then be arbitrarily changed by some liberal hippies in the '70's.

Yes, because science was so advanced back in the B.Cs. Yes, society was prosperous and science flourished before them fags came 'round and destroyed our beautifully theocratic society! #Bigotry

The Church guided and preserved relevant knowledge throughout the Middle Ages, the[y] also are directly responsible for the creation of virtually all the Middle Ages art and "culture" however you so designate it. After the Middle Ages time of discovery and great advances. Industrial nations were built wars were fought and won. All with gayness being a Mental Illness. So yes. I'd say some things got done.

[Liriena]

Liriena,
I was referring to the legal document of a Certificate of Live Birth and you can not change it because you want to. You have to prove that you've had reassignment surgery first. aka not on a whim.

That's only true in some countries, not all.

[Othelos]

I'd like to see what he says after meeting a gay/transgender person.

He's already met some on this site, if that counts.

In person. You can still live in your own world online, but RL forces you to accept reality.

[People Who Say Ni]

I'd like to talk about marriage over here, in Australia.
Our previous Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, was from the Labor party, which is the equivalent of the Democrats in America, but sort of center-left. He was pro marriage equality, however, we had an election in September where his party was voted out of office by a landslide. The new Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, is blatantly opposed to marriage equality, even stating that he is threatened by homosexuality. Tony is perhaps the most conservative PM in recent years, leading the ironically titled Liberal Party which prohibits members from voting for marriage equality.

[Vareiln]

Because governments want to no what gender their citizens are.

I'm okay with that as long as they have a list of available options like

N/A
Genderless
Bigender
Trigender
Quadgender
Transgender
Pangender
Genderqueer
etc.

I'd be fine with that.