My mistake then, it must be Rome I was thinking of for that rule.
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by The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:44 pm
by Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:47 pm
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:Liriena wrote:Quite the accusation... and hardly a valid response.
I posted my religious beliefs regarding my religious beliefs on homosexuality many times and doing it any more would be really spamming. Regarding getting the state out of civil marriage, I am not the only one to think so.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... _marriage/
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... rriage.htm
by Blasveck » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:48 pm
Kantanska wrote:The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
I posted my religious beliefs regarding my religious beliefs on homosexuality many times and doing it any more would be really spamming. Regarding getting the state out of civil marriage, I am not the only one to think so.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... _marriage/
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... rriage.htm
Indeed. Marriage is a Biblical institution. If the Bible wasn't written Marriage, in the 'modern' sense, wouldn't even exist. So all civil marriages should be done away with. Only legitimate institutions/people can preform the Sacraments.
by Luveria » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:49 pm
by Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:50 pm
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by Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:50 pm
Blasveck wrote:Kantanska wrote:
Indeed. Marriage is a Biblical institution. If the Bible wasn't written Marriage, in the 'modern' sense, wouldn't even exist. So all civil marriages should be done away with. Only legitimate institutions/people can preform the Sacraments.
You do realize marriage existed before Christianity co-opted it?
by Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:50 pm
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by Menassa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:50 pm
Liriena wrote:Luveria wrote:
It is worth mentioning that in Greek and Roman culture, it was not shameful to be homosexual. Topping was honourable. Being sub or bottom was not, but as long as the sub/bottom stayed to that role, it wouldn't matter. The ultimate transgression was a top bottoming, or a bottom topping. So yes, those societies were homophobic.
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It's pretty much the same rationale behind Old Testament homophobia (give or take an anti-Canaanite counter-cultural movement): women are lesser beings. [...]
by Menassa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:51 pm
by Luveria » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:51 pm
Kantanska wrote:The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
I posted my religious beliefs regarding my religious beliefs on homosexuality many times and doing it any more would be really spamming. Regarding getting the state out of civil marriage, I am not the only one to think so.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... _marriage/
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... rriage.htm
Indeed. Marriage is a Biblical institution. If the Bible wasn't written Marriage, in the 'modern' sense, wouldn't even exist. So all civil marriages should be done away with. Only legitimate institutions/people can preform the Sacraments.
by Resawa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:52 pm
Luveria wrote:Resawa wrote:That was really Rome
Greeks were more.....free spirited
Now that I have been informed it was Rome I have read about, in my view the Roman view on homosexuality was that as long as the top is manly and the bottom is effeminate it is nothing but another kind of heterosexual relationship so it's tolerated.
by Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:52 pm
by Geilinor » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:52 pm
Kantanska wrote:The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
I posted my religious beliefs regarding my religious beliefs on homosexuality many times and doing it any more would be really spamming. Regarding getting the state out of civil marriage, I am not the only one to think so.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... _marriage/
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... rriage.htm
Indeed. Marriage is a Biblical institution. If the Bible wasn't written Marriage, in the 'modern' sense, wouldn't even exist. So all civil marriages should be done away with. Only legitimate institutions/people can preform the Sacraments.
by Menassa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:52 pm
by Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:54 pm
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:Regarding getting the state out of civil marriage, I am not the only one to think so.
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/kmiec_proposes_end_of_legally_recognized_marriage/
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... rriage.htm
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by Geilinor » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:54 pm
by Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:54 pm
Luveria wrote:Kantanska wrote:
Indeed. Marriage is a Biblical institution. If the Bible wasn't written Marriage, in the 'modern' sense, wouldn't even exist. So all civil marriages should be done away with. Only legitimate institutions/people can preform the Sacraments.
The problem going by that is, the bible is what validated, legitimized, and encouraged polygamous marriages. Do keep that in mind when bringing up the bible and marriage.
by Luveria » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:54 pm
Resawa wrote:Luveria wrote:
Now that I have been informed it was Rome I have read about, in my view the Roman view on homosexuality was that as long as the top is manly and the bottom is effeminate it is nothing but another kind of heterosexual relationship so it's tolerated.
Yes
Generally it was used by the army, officers slept with their legionaries ( nearly typed privates) though it was also encouraged among common soldiers because it built up comradeship among the men, and that was what the legion thrived on
by Geilinor » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:55 pm
Geilinor wrote:Kantanska wrote:The Bible has set out rules and procedures for Marriage and the Church has set out many more. Most of these rules did not exist before the Bible at least in a codified form. This is what makes Marriage unique.
Wrong. Christianity took monogamous marriage from Greco-Roman culture, not the other way around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_ancient_Rome
by Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:55 pm
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