NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

What are we voting for in three days? And why is it taking so long?

The above was in reference to a previous inquiry about the president of the senate making a speech about the PM vote.

[Costa Alegria]

Calling a fellow senator a prostitute is something I don't believe has a place in the chamber. I believe this may be a personal attack on said senator "

Wrong. I never called anyone a prostitute.

[Ainin]

and no need to to act like a baby

I am going to invoke Sections 3.1 and 3.4 of the Proper Procedure and Unacceptable Behavior Act of 2013 to request you withdraw this statement for questioning another member's character/integrity (PPUBA 1.1).

[Maklohi Vai]

Calling a fellow senator a prostitute is something I don't believe has a place in the chamber. I believe this may be a personal attack on said senator "

Wrong. I never called anyone a prostitute.

Nihil, this is correct. The verb "prostitute" does not mean you're calling someone a prostitute.

[Corenea]

and no need to to act like a baby

I am going to invoke Sections 3.1 and 3.4 of the Proper Procedure and Unacceptable Behavior Act of 2013 to request you withdraw this statement for questioning another member's character/integrity (PPUBA 1.1).

You should also chastise Geillinor for keep generalizing the NFC as Fascists because we made an agreement with them the same way the ProgCoa did with SAP

And isntead of "and no need to act like a baby" can I just replace it with "just accept it"

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Wrong. I never called anyone a prostitute.

Nihil, this is correct. The verb "prostitute" does not mean you're calling someone a prostitute.

It is under the ethics act slanderous in it's intentions I would have thought?

[Ainin]

I am going to invoke Sections 3.1 and 3.4 of the Proper Procedure and Unacceptable Behavior Act of 2013 to request you withdraw this statement for questioning another member's character/integrity (PPUBA 1.1).

You should also chastise Geillinor for keep generalizing the NFC as Fascists because we made an agreement with them the same way the ProgCoa did with SAP

And isntead of "and no need to act like a baby" can I just replace it with "just accept it"

That is not covered by the PPUBA, so no disciplinary action can or will be taken against John Geil/Geilinor.

You are given one final chance to withdraw your statement.

[Corenea]

You should also chastise Geillinor for keep generalizing the NFC as Fascists because we made an agreement with them the same way the ProgCoa did with SAP

And isntead of "and no need to act like a baby" can I just replace it with "just accept it"

That is not covered by the PPUBA, so no disciplinary action can or will be taken against John Geil/Geilinor.

You are given one final chance to withdraw your statement.

Could I just withdraw my spoiler then? My post besides the spoiler have no malicious intent

and generalization is bad m'kay?

[Inspector Walter deGroot]

That is not covered by the PPUBA, so no disciplinary action can or will be taken against John Geil/Geilinor.

You are given one final chance to withdraw your statement.

Could I just withdraw my spoiler then? My post besides the spoiler have no malicious intent

Yes, that is sufficient.

and generalization is bad m'kay?

Tell that to Geilinor, I'm just enforcing the rules as they are written.

*pretend this is Ainin's account*

[Libertechie]

The senator of Vëekendal and fellow member of the Libertarian Party, Andie Calvin, wishes we proceed the debate into the immigration reform, rather than firing nasty labels at our opposition(s), for the sake of progress and Aurentina, can we please please stop debating the rules of procedure and of slander, or at least have the nations accused apologize and withdraw their offensive comments. Thankyou all.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Costa ban was due to a huge amount of flaming in another tread that took place in around 3 pages. He earned a 7 days ban due to that.

[Costa Alegria]

Costa ban was due to a huge amount of flaming in another tread that took place in around 3 pages. He earned a 7 days ban due to that.

And that was entirely unrelated. The comments here were IC, not OOC.

[Maklohi Vai]

Nihil, this is correct. The verb "prostitute" does not mean you're calling someone a prostitute.

It is under the ethics act slanderous in it's intentions no?

The Ethics Act does not measure intent, it measures effect, which was naught to negligible.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

It is under the ethics act slanderous in it's intentions no?

The Ethics Act does not measure intent, it measures effect, which was naught to negligible.

Due to the the negative connotation attached to the word, saying "you prostituted yourself" either has both a slanderous intent or a slanderous effect. That is my feelings as a bystander.

[Maklohi Vai]

The Ethics Act does not measure intent, it measures effect, which was naught to negligible.

Due to the the negative connotation attached to the word, saying "you prostituted yourself" either has both a slanderous intent or a slanderous effect. That is my feelings as a bystander.

Intent is irrelevant and the effect cannot be seen. Point dismissed.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Right there are number of unacceptable comments made by members from both sides of the political divide recently. I wish to remind all senators that such comments have no place in the chamber, we are representing our nation at all times whilst in the chamber and we should all act in a calm and dignified manner. It is disappointing that it got to the point of admin involvement on several occasions, I hope that everyone can learn from this and that the debate now moves forwards with Courteousness shown towards all members not just one's political allies.

[Oneracon]

The senator of Vëekendal and fellow member of the Libertarian Party, Andie Calvin, wishes we proceed the debate into the immigration reform, rather than firing nasty labels at our opposition(s), for the sake of progress and Aurentina, can we please please stop debating the rules of procedure and of slander, or at least have the nations accused apologize and withdraw their offensive comments. Thankyou all.

I agree with my colleague Sen. Calvin's intent, but I must point out that we are debating the current Domestic Development queue and not immigration at this time.

[Minarchist States]

Say what you like.

Those mandatory citizenship cards that have to be scanned all the time just seem a little Orwellian to me.

Yeah surely as the LP we should do something, it feels like govt control and knowledge of its people's everyday moves all over. We risk our freedom at the expense of illegal immigrants maybe taking some jobs? I mean not sure the NAP would allow this

Correct. The "illegal immigrants r taking my jerbz" charade is merely a distraction pushed by pompous politicians who like to manipulate nativism to keep themselves elected. For most right libertarians, supporting immigration control goes against their beliefs - but so does letting everybody in to overload the welfare system. Ideally there would be no welfare system or immigration controls, but unfortunately one leads to the other and some sacrifices have to be made in the name of liberty - that pushing society rightward and being in a coalition with other fiscal capitalists is the only way to achieve a truly voluntary society. It many ways it could be paralleled with democratic socialists - whom don't want to see involuntarily taxation or a large controlling state - if even for economic reasons - but do so because they believe it is the way to communism. However this does not mean that we should abandon our principles and become neocons. That is absurd, and the bill looks like it came from the most radical of Republicans.

Anyway back to the chamber. A few of the bills proposed are somewhat agreeable with me.

Despite I believe that some checks need to be in place, I will not support the immigration bill over it's authoritarian use of compulsory coding and harsh restrictions, and I will urge the LPA to vote against it. I fully agree with Senator Calvin against the bill.

(Sorry for continuing this discussion. Take it to the lNFC thread if you want to spar more instead of clutter the Chamber)

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

The senator of Vëekendal and fellow member of the Libertarian Party, Andie Calvin, wishes we proceed the debate into the immigration reform, rather than firing nasty labels at our opposition(s), for the sake of progress and Aurentina, can we please please stop debating the rules of procedure and of slander, or at least have the nations accused apologize and withdraw their offensive comments. Thankyou all.

I agree with my colleague Sen. Calvin's intent, but I must point out that we are debating the current Domestic Development queue and not immigration at this time.

Indeed we are, Senator is there anything you wish to say on the bills being tabled right now?

Yeah surely as the LP we should do something, it feels like govt control and knowledge of its people's everyday moves all over. We risk our freedom at the expense of illegal immigrants maybe taking some jobs? I mean not sure the NAP would allow this

Correct. The "illegal immigrants r taking my jerbz" charade is merely a distraction pushed by pompous politicians who like to manipulate nativism to keep themselves elected. For most right libertarians, supporting immigration control goes against their beliefs - but so does letting everybody in to overload the welfare system. Ideally there would be no welfare system or immigration controls, but unfortunately one leads to the other and some sacrifices have to be made in the name of liberty - that pushing society rightward and being in a coalition with other fiscal capitalists is the only way to achieve a truly voluntary society. It many ways it could be paralleled with democratic socialists - whom don't want to see involuntarily taxation or a large controlling state - if even for economic reasons - but do so because they believe it is the way to communism. However this does not mean that we should abandon our principles and become neocons. That is absurd, and the bill looks like it came from the most radical of Republicans.

Anyway back to the chamber. A few of the bills proposed are somewhat agreeable with me.

Despite I believe that some checks need to be in place, I will not support the immigration bill over it's authoritarian use of compulsory coding and harsh restrictions, and I will urge the LPA to vote against it. I fully agree with Senator Calvin against the bill.

Senator, due to the bill on immigration not being up for debate we should not perhaps be discussing if but if members wish to continue the debate on immigration then I will allow it to continue since nobody has anything to say right now about the bills up for debate.

Any objections to continuing the debate on immigration for now from any senators?

[Unicario]

Shame that National Socialism's petty poisons even the left so much as to let men like Michael be unjustly censured for speaking the truths of National Socialists.

I fear for the future of our nation.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Shame that National Socialism's petty poisons even the left so much as to let men like Michael be unjustly censured for speaking the truths of National Socialists.

I fear for the future of our nation.

Order, The decision has been made that the comment he made has been deemed unacceptable and the relevant action taken. This topic is not open for debate here. Please do not continue it in chamber, take it elsewhere. Please kindly do not make such speeches in future during a bill debate.

[Minarchist States]

No. I personally do not care much for the current bills as I do some of the more recent proposed ones by Britanno and the NFC, Pro-Tempore, in which I am alarmed to see so much support - even from my own party and the left.

I will take this to the NFC thread to be discussed on.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Due to the escalating situation outside the Senate, debate is suspended until mentioned otherwise and all senators are asked to report to the security with their ID pass to sign in as accounted for. As per order from the President of the senate, the Vice-President Mr Wenthal.

[Geilinor]

That is not covered by the PPUBA, so no disciplinary action can or will be taken against John Geil/Geilinor.

You are given one final chance to withdraw your statement.

and generalization is bad m'kay?

But generalization was okay when Mediciano called refugees weak burdens to society? I have lists of prominent refugees, but you were fine with his generalizations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_refugees
http://www.unhcr-centraleurope.org/en/about-us/unhcr-people/prominent-refugees.html?start=3
EDIT: I see debate has been suspended.

[Unicario]

Due to the escalating situation outside the Senate, debate is suspended until mentioned otherwise and all senators are asked to report to the security with their ID pass to sign in as accounted for. As per order from the President of the senate, the Vice-President Mr Wenthal.

Alexandra von Hohenzollern did so, and returned to her place in the Senate Chamber. She angrily slammed her hand down and said, "Must we always be dealing with senseless terrorism? Especially in the form of xenophobic racism? Not even the Eisenpartei, as xenophobic as they are, would go so far as to lob grenades at a foreign embassy. This is all just so senseless."

"Nur der feige finden Trost in dieser unsinnige Gewalt." She stated, shaking her head. "Cowards indeed."