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Neo Rome Republic
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Neo Rome Republic » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:16 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:We waste time discussing irrelevant things, if you want to waste time listening to political correctness rather than laws, fine.
But I don't, it's ridiculous. But apparently, you want to turn this chamber into a comedy show.

No. Everyone else likes it this way. Stop whining, and stop trying to make the senate more dull.

No Senator, I just think there is a time and place for everything. Something you clearly don't understand.
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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:17 am

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:No. Everyone else likes it this way. Stop whining, and stop trying to make the senate more dull.

No Senator, I just think there is a time and place for everything. Something you clearly don't understand.

If anyone wanted to debate vaccinations or alcohol pricing they would. No one wants to and we have decided to debate nuclear power instead. Stop complaining about nothing.
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Neo Rome Republic
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Neo Rome Republic » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:20 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:No Senator, I just think there is a time and place for everything. Something you clearly don't understand.

If anyone wanted to debate vaccinations or alcohol pricing they would. No one wants to and we have decided to debate nuclear power instead. Stop complaining about nothing.

Well if you guys were only debating, I wouldn't be complaining.
If you guys are debating nuclear power currently, then by all means, continue.
I'm still opposed to do the new changes, though.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:37 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:People on NSG do claim that.

And the only reason chernobyl even happened is that the idiot Soviet managers decided to run a "safety test" in which the incompetent workers disabled all safety measures and purposely tried to get as close to meltdown as they could. Modern reactors have a negative void coefficient which means that they literally can not melt down.

Except when they do.

RBMK reactors like the ones in Chernobyl have a dangerously high positive void coefficient. Aurentina won't be using failed and discredited technology.
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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:50 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Except when they do.

RBMK reactors like the ones in Chernobyl have a dangerously high positive void coefficient. Aurentina won't be using failed and discredited technology.

Because that's the only time meltdown has happened. :roll:

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:18 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:RBMK reactors like the ones in Chernobyl have a dangerously high positive void coefficient. Aurentina won't be using failed and discredited technology.

Because that's the only time meltdown has happened. :roll:

You know that nuclear has by far the lowest death rate of any power source right?
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:41 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:RBMK reactors like the ones in Chernobyl have a dangerously high positive void coefficient. Aurentina won't be using failed and discredited technology.

Because that's the only time meltdown has happened. :roll:

More often than not, it's not the generators fault but either 1. natural disasters or 2. gross mishandling.

Also, Nuclear power has the lowest death count of all power sources.
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Political test = Social Democrat
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Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Corenea
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Postby Corenea » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:42 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Because that's the only time meltdown has happened. :roll:

More often than not, it's not the generators fault but either 1. natural disasters or 2. gross mishandling.

Also, Nuclear power has the lowest death count of all power sources.

Nuclear energy is also cheap and clean right?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:43 pm

Corenea wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:More often than not, it's not the generators fault but either 1. natural disasters or 2. gross mishandling.

Also, Nuclear power has the lowest death count of all power sources.

Nuclear energy is also cheap and clean right?

Yes. It is also sustainable and the least deadly.
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Postby Ainin » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:43 pm

Corenea wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:More often than not, it's not the generators fault but either 1. natural disasters or 2. gross mishandling.

Also, Nuclear power has the lowest death count of all power sources.

Nuclear energy is also cheap and clean right?

Yes.
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:47 pm

Corenea wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:More often than not, it's not the generators fault but either 1. natural disasters or 2. gross mishandling.

Also, Nuclear power has the lowest death count of all power sources.

Nuclear energy is also cheap and clean right?

It is yes. With the new reactors you can reuse the nuclear materials that are over several times, so that the time that it takes for the material to disappear is cut effectively by a magnitude of thousands.
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Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
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Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


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Corenea
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Postby Corenea » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:48 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Corenea wrote:Nuclear energy is also cheap and clean right?

It is yes. With the new reactors you can reuse the nuclear materials that are over several times, so that the time that it takes for the material to disappear is cut effectively by a magnitude of thousands.

Holy crap, we just agreed on something again.

I support nuclear energy but I wonder the efficiency and cost of solar energy
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:50 pm

If someone could tell me Aurentina's current breakdown of energy sources I can calculate how many lives we would save each year by replacing fossil fuels with nuclear.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:51 pm

Corenea wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:It is yes. With the new reactors you can reuse the nuclear materials that are over several times, so that the time that it takes for the material to disappear is cut effectively by a magnitude of thousands.

Holy crap, we just agreed on something again.

I support nuclear energy but I wonder the efficiency and cost of solar energy

Solar is good for rooftop and as an extra source but is terrible as a base load.
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:51 pm

Corenea wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:It is yes. With the new reactors you can reuse the nuclear materials that are over several times, so that the time that it takes for the material to disappear is cut effectively by a magnitude of thousands.

Holy crap, we just agreed on something again.

:o
Corenea wrote:I support nuclear energy but I wonder the efficiency and cost of solar energy

It would be efficient if we were to say plant a lot of them in Sahara. That way we could (theoretically) produce enough electricity for most of the world. But there comes the cost. They cost an arseload to produce, and for it then to be transported would cost even more.
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Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:53 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Because that's the only time meltdown has happened. :roll:

You know that nuclear has by far the lowest death rate of any power source right?

Solar power has killed SO MANY PEOPLE! My god!

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:55 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:You know that nuclear has by far the lowest death rate of any power source right?

Solar power has killed SO MANY PEOPLE! My god!

Solar has 0.44 deaths per twh. Nuclear has 0.04 deaths per twh.

And we cannot power the world on solar alone. Too expensive and cannot be scaled up fast enough.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:56 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:You know that nuclear has by far the lowest death rate of any power source right?

Solar power has killed SO MANY PEOPLE! My god!

Including solar power. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:57 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Solar power has killed SO MANY PEOPLE! My god!

Solar has 0.44 deaths per twh. Nuclear has 0.04 deaths per twh.

And we cannot power the world on solar alone. Too expensive and cannot be scaled up fast enough.

:rofl: That is all.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:57 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Solar power has killed SO MANY PEOPLE! My god!

Solar has 0.44 deaths per twh. Nuclear has 0.04 deaths per twh.

And we cannot power the world on solar alone. Too expensive and cannot be scaled up fast enough.

This^. Solar power is also not practical everywhere. Aurentina is a densely populated country, they'd have to be installed on rooftops. Huge fields of solar panels won't fit.
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Lamaredia
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:59 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Solar has 0.44 deaths per twh. Nuclear has 0.04 deaths per twh.

And we cannot power the world on solar alone. Too expensive and cannot be scaled up fast enough.

:rofl: That is all.

You can't even bother to even try to refute the facts? (Even though you can't disprove it)

0.40 more deaths per twh is pretty large you know.

Also, it's expensive as fuck.
Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:01 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote: :rofl: That is all.

You can't even bother to even try to refute the facts? (Even though you can't disprove it)

0.40 more deaths per twh is pretty large you know.

Also, it's expensive as fuck.

I don't know why Kam always resorts to calling the numbers stupid instead of providing alternate statistics.
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:03 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote: :rofl: That is all.

You can't even bother to even try to refute the facts? (Even though you can't disprove it)

0.40 more deaths per twh is pretty large you know.

Also, it's expensive as fuck.


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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:03 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote: :rofl: That is all.

You can't even bother to even try to refute the facts? (Even though you can't disprove it)

0.40 more deaths per twh is pretty large you know.

Also, it's expensive as fuck.

I just found it humorous that that many people die from sun-based power.

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Lamaredia
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:04 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:You can't even bother to even try to refute the facts? (Even though you can't disprove it)

0.40 more deaths per twh is pretty large you know.

Also, it's expensive as fuck.

I just found it humorous that that many people die from sun-based power.

Clarification next time. It gets confusing when one doesn't mention what they are laughing at.
Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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