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Postby Yanalia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:52 am

Even the US won't apply sanctions to Putin himself. We will have gone further than anyone else with this resolution.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:13 am

Yanalia wrote:Even the US won't apply sanctions to Putin himself. We will have gone further than anyone else with this resolution.

If I were president of the United States, I would have ordered sanctions on Russia. But we in Aurentina don't have the power to do anything with sanctions except piss people off. Russia's economy would hardly be hurt by the freezing of their citizens' (non-existent) holdings in Aurentine banks.

Believe me, I'm probably more hawkish than 90-95% of you guys, but Russia's too powerful for us to be taking on alone. We should only sanction to a similar extent as the USA and European Union do. However, as long as I'm still president, we will be aligning ourselves as allies of the West and the legitimate government in the Ukraine.
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Postby Zjednoczony Polski » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:15 am

As I new senator couple of questions.
Any legalization at vote?

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:17 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
Yanalia wrote:Even the US won't apply sanctions to Putin himself. We will have gone further than anyone else with this resolution.

If I were president of the United States, I would have ordered sanctions on Russia. But we in Aurentina don't have the power to do anything with sanctions except piss people off. Russia's economy would hardly be hurt by the freezing of their citizens' (non-existent) holdings in Aurentine banks.

Believe me, I'm probably more hawkish than 90-95% of you guys, but Russia's too powerful for us to be taking on alone. We should only sanction to a similar extent as the USA and European Union do. However, as long as I'm still president, we will be aligning ourselves as allies of the West and the legitimate government in the Ukraine.


Agreed, though I am somewhat a hawk kind of Libertarian out of the party. If we are going to sanction them we should target valuable assets.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:19 am

Zjednoczony Polski wrote:As I new senator couple of questions.
Any legalization at vote?

Not currently. We are currently debating a resolution to impose sanctions on Russia due to its invasion of the Ukraine.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:28 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
Zjednoczony Polski wrote:As I new senator couple of questions.
Any legalization at vote?

Not currently. We are currently debating a resolution to impose sanctions on Russia due to its invasion of the Ukraine.

And may I emphasize again that it is a non-binding resolution, so any points about things that are "not going to happen" are rather moot.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:34 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
Zjednoczony Polski wrote:As I new senator couple of questions.
Any legalization at vote?

Not currently. We are currently debating a resolution to impose sanctions on Russia due to its invasion of the Ukraine.

"Mr president I would like to ask you as well about your opinion on the breach of the deal made by the Ukrainian opposition that was guaranteed by the EU. They signed the deal and the next day they have breached the parliament and voted against the current constitution. As long as there are no elections we need not to side with either side."
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:37 am

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New Bierstaat wrote:Not currently. We are currently debating a resolution to impose sanctions on Russia due to its invasion of the Ukraine.

"Mr president I would like to ask you as well about your opinion on the breach of the deal made by the Ukrainian opposition that was guaranteed by the EU. They signed the deal and the next day they have breached the parliament and voted against the current constitution. As long as there are no elections we need not to side with either side."

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"If I may interject and correct my honourable colleague, we already have sided. The Government has already recognized the interim government in Kyiv as (and I quote the Prime Minister) 'the de jure and de facto government' of Ukraine."
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:06 am

Oneracon wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:"Mr president I would like to ask you as well about your opinion on the breach of the deal made by the Ukrainian opposition that was guaranteed by the EU. They signed the deal and the next day they have breached the parliament and voted against the current constitution. As long as there are no elections we need not to side with either side."

Joshua rose.

"If I may interject and correct my honourable colleague, we already have sided. The Government has already recognized the interim government in Kyiv as (and I quote the Prime Minister) 'the de jure and de facto government' of Ukraine."

I asked for an opinion on that matter not the fact that we have recognized the government. So that question still stands.
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Postby Zjednoczony Polski » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:40 am

I am against Russia and it's army intervention. I will stress that I believe the referendum is rigged. But we can't fight we must remember we are not Russia's enemy.

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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:58 am

Holy shit, Divair's account got banned. Not DOS, but still banned.
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Postby Phocidaea » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:50 pm

Lamaredia wrote:Holy shit, Divair's account got banned. Not DOS, but still banned.

¡Ay no!

Why?
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:29 pm

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Lamaredia wrote:Holy shit, Divair's account got banned. Not DOS, but still banned.

¡Ay no!

Why?

Apparently he advertised a rival game like hell on the forums, RMB and TGs.
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Postby New Waterford » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:36 pm

Zjednoczony Polski wrote:I am against Russia and it's army intervention. I will stress that I believe the referendum is rigged. But we can't fight we must remember we are not Russia's enemy.

We're neutral, so we won't fight them. We'll just impose economic sanctions on Russia.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:47 pm

New Waterford wrote:
Zjednoczony Polski wrote:I am against Russia and it's army intervention. I will stress that I believe the referendum is rigged. But we can't fight we must remember we are not Russia's enemy.

We're neutral, so we won't fight them. We'll just impose economic sanctions on Russia.

Noup. nothing of that will happen. particularly the finance part.
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:14 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
New Waterford wrote:We're neutral, so we won't fight them. We'll just impose economic sanctions on Russia.

Noup. nothing of that will happen. particularly the finance part.

why
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:17 pm

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Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Noup. nothing of that will happen. particularly the finance part.

why

Cause I am not braking the neutrality act by freezing the funds. Also so far I can not see anything that the people this resolution targets and those are the members of the Russian Duma that is a crime.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:30 pm

Lamaredia wrote:Apparently he advertised a rival game like hell on the forums, RMB and TGs.


He did, he sent absolutely loads of them out. He broke the rules and got punished. It's shame that because of his status on this site that people are making such a big fuss. It's like a celebrity court case.
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Postby Ainin » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:33 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Cause I am not braking the neutrality act by freezing the funds.

We already went over this. Russia is not a power bloc and hasn't been since 1991.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:38 pm

Ainin wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Cause I am not braking the neutrality act by freezing the funds.

We already went over this. Russia is not a power bloc and hasn't been since 1991.

It is still taking a side. And neutrality means NOT taking sides.
Edit: Also how are you going to find out who voted for the deployment? As voting is done in secret.
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:47 pm

We can impeach ministers right?
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:49 pm

Retracted
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Postby Ainin » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:51 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:It is still taking a side. And neutrality means NOT taking sides.
Have you actually read the Declaration of Aurentine Neutrality?

Edit: Also how are you going to find out who voted for the deployment? As voting is done in secret.
And I quote from the Kremlin's propaganda rag:

"Russia’s Federation Council has unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to use Russian military forces in Ukraine."
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:53 pm

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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:54 pm

Ainin wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:It is still taking a side. And neutrality means NOT taking sides.
Have you actually read the Declaration of Aurentine Neutrality?

Edit: Also how are you going to find out who voted for the deployment? As voting is done in secret.
And I quote from the Kremlin's propaganda rag:

"Russia’s Federation Council has unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to use Russian military forces in Ukraine."

:clap:
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Political test = Social Democrat
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Communistic - 44%
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Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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