NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 4

[New Bierstaat]

To the Senate Ethics Act (Amendment right?) and the Partisan Act, yeah no. I do not wish to debate the rest of the bills.

Yeah it's stupid, I think from an OOC perspective it would ruin the RP as well of being not fun ICly.

All I'm trying to do with APPA is be clear which parties are real and which ones aren't, and only let people be part of one actual party. Otherwise it creates madness in my map.

[The Nihilistic view]

Yeah it's stupid, I think from an OOC perspective it would ruin the RP as well of being not fun ICly.

All I'm trying to do with APPA is be clear which parties are real and which ones aren't, and only let people be part of one actual party. Otherwise it creates madness in my map.

To the Senate Ethics Act (Amendment right?)

That's what I am talking about.

[New Bierstaat]

All I'm trying to do with APPA is be clear which parties are real and which ones aren't, and only let people be part of one actual party. Otherwise it creates madness in my map.

To the Senate Ethics Act (Amendment right?)

That's what I am talking about.

I meant the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act. I was more responding to Lam than you.

[The Nihilistic view]

To the Senate Ethics Act (Amendment right?)

That's what I am talking about.

I meant the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act. I was more responding to Lam than you.

Your welcome to quote his post if you like..........

[New Bierstaat]

I meant the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act. I was more responding to Lam than you.

Your welcome to quote his post if you like..........

Clicked the wrong quote button. Lol

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Yeah it's stupid, I think from an OOC perspective it would ruin the RP as well of being not fun ICly.

All I'm trying to do with APPA is be clear which parties are real and which ones aren't, and only let people be part of one actual party. Otherwise it creates madness in my map.

Why don't you let people only choose one party on the map? Since the only obvious solution to your map is to ruin part of the RPs fun for everyone else.

[Beta Test]

All I'm trying to do with APPA is be clear which parties are real and which ones aren't, and only let people be part of one actual party. Otherwise it creates madness in my map.

Why don't you let people only choose one party on the map? Since the only obvious solution to your map is to ruin part of the RPs fun for everyone else.

Can't you just re-brand the Rhino Party as a non-governmental organization?

[East Ormania]

Why don't you let people only choose one party on the map? Since the only obvious solution to your map is to ruin part of the RPs fun for everyone else.

Can't you just re-brand the Rhino Party as a non-governmental organization?

I support it, since it's not even serious. I mean, look at their platform.

[Ainin]

Why don't you let people only choose one party on the map? Since the only obvious solution to your map is to ruin part of the RPs fun for everyone else.

Can't you just re-brand the Rhino Party as a non-governmental organization?

Why?

[Beta Test]

Can't you just re-brand the Rhino Party as a non-governmental organization?

Why?

So you can keep both memberships. I'm not in favor of the bill, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Why?

So you can keep both memberships. I'm not in favor of the bill, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

But then we can't get party status, being an NGO is no fun, we've already technically been an NGO for 2 and a half moths and we still want party status.

Can't you just re-brand the Rhino Party as a non-governmental organization?

I support it, since it's not even serious. I mean, look at their platform.

We're completely serious. Dead serious. If you want to see a party that isn't serious, look at your own.

[Britanno]

"Good luck." Robert turned to see a fellow Progress Coalition senator, the older man taking his steps slowly to the backbenches where he would sit. On the front bench was where Robert sat, surrounded by his cabinet ministers and coalition leadership. It was a strange division of power. While on a battlefield of old the Generals may have watched over the fighting from afar, here the leaders held the front line while others looked on from above. At quarter past ten, Central European Time, the chamber would soon close to a halt and the senators disperse - he hoped to leave them with a speech worthy of reflection. As a young NFC senator sat down, after a long and unimpressive drone about the inefficiencies of public railways, Robert stood to make the first indent of opposition into the new government.

Dear Senators and people of this nation,

It has been just eight days since our newest government assumed their office as elected representatives of the people. Yet, having worked our way through those first few days, we may begin to make our first impression of the government elected.

Unfortunately, at least from my perspective, those impressions are not so flattering. I would review the policies of this government, yet they have barely hinted at any such myths such as a clear outline of direction for me to review – Let alone all make clear, individual statements about how they wish to govern Aurentina effectively.

And for this I must seek an answer. Within a week, the last government was ablaze with initiative and progress – Now, we await the next call from a cabinet of craven conservatives, too scared to take any stance for fear they shall displease either the wealthy who fund them or the very people they are supposed to serve. If they cannot stomach this in order to save their people, they cannot truly lead a nation.

Yet, 'they' who I speak to are perhaps not to blame. 'They' - the President, the Prime Minister, the cabinet – are simply fulfilling my every expectation of a government built on “tradition” and a “free market”. The former is a rejection of efficiency and progression in favour of old, backwards, methods. The latter is the oppression of capitalism, using finance to control the lives of the average citizen in favour of those who live with luxury. If any person can accept such principles, than how can we expect them to serve the people who elected them? Perhaps we should look towards those who placed their faith in such a government and expected it to perform, those who must now reflect upon their actions. If you are one of those who supported such a government's rise to power, think deeply and think how you may correct yourself – If the past few days are something to go by, this government will most certainly not justify your faith. Change is needed and the government shall not provide it.

It is in this pitiful state that the great nation of Aurentina now finds itself. It is up to those in power to change that and take our ship forwards, rather than allowing the wind to slowly drift us backwards through the ocean. It is over the next few days that our current regime must prove their worth, prove the supposed worth for which the were elected.

Thank you.

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OOC: Please debate in lobby while the chamber is voting.

"You ready?"

James smiled, all that was needed to reply. A single breath was taken, then he was rising to his feet, staring around at the senate, a legislature that was filled with allies and enemies, friends and foes, supporters and opponents. The minister buttoned up his suit jacket, standing tall as if to suggest confidence and fearlessness. He'd never been a great public speaker, but James didn't intend to show that in his appearance. When the senate had quietened down to listen to the Minister of Education, he spoke. His voice was filled with determination, like a drum in an orchestra, standing out and making itself noticed. That's as what James aimed to achieve. He was aware that cameras were watching him, that his speech could be seen by any person with access to the internet, but these were modern times.

"Senators, ministers and people of Aurentina, recently the Leader of the Opposition, a candidate who deserved the position awarded to them may I just say, made a speech, dismissing this government as a government that would fail, a government that didn't deserve to be in power and a government who's supporters should reflect on their actions. He made it out like we were doing a bad job," James stopped, putting emphasis on the last few words.

I must admit, my own expectations for this government were not and are not high. I cannot agree with all the people who have filled their positions, and I cannot say I expect the entire cabinet to do their duties. But he said something that made me smile, laugh almost. He claimed that the previous government had been 'ablaze with initiative and progress' which, to sum up, is utter rubbish. The majority of the population agreed when the election came, as demonstrated by the victory for the. National Freedom Coalition. If he is so confident that the Progress Coalition's previous cabinet was so successful, why doesn't he provide a list of the bills they got into the queue or passed! It'll be a short one, and unlike the cabinet before that, the Prime Minister cannot receive the blame for inactivity. What's more, if this government is as weak as he makes it out to be, why doesn't he display the huge amount of Progress Coalition bills that the new opposition has authored! You claim we are weak, yet seem to fail to take recognition of your own failures. Show us your shadow cabinet, and show us what it's done!

Now, moving on. The Leader of the Opposition creates this illusion that the Progress Coalitions stands for the people, and part of the people are children. Ever since arriving in this senate I have strived to improve life for children in our country. It is always been in my head, and I recently had two of my bills, aimed at improving life for children, voted on in this very chamber. I'd happily challenge anyone to a debate over whether those bills, especially the more detailed Aurentine Education Act, improve life for children or not. Let's look at the Progress Coalition response to that bill shall we? There was a disappointing turn out in the vote from both sides of the spectrum, but especially from the opposition. I was unable to return from Africa on my visit to promote free and easy to access educationist time to vote, but a similar excuse could not be used by the Progress Coalition. If you cannot even get more than a few of your members to vote, why criticise the government? Six opposition members abstained on the Aurentine Education Act, and a further three voted nay. That is a total of nine out of eleven votes from Progress Coalition senators who refused to support my act, effectively proving my point that the opposition does not care for the people as it seems so keen to indicate, but rather just a certain few.

So while we have an opposition leader who claims the government is failing, he refuses to acknowledge the mistakes made by his own coalition. If we put the government and opposition side by side and I are the achievements and failures of both this term, you will see what voters will see in elections, you will see what it crystal clear, you will see what everyone else can see, you will see that the government is doing a better job than the opposition, and we deserve power."

[Beta Test]

Rupert rose to clap and shake the hand of James.

[Corenea]

Jen stood up and clapped

[Ainin]

Administrator Ainin slammed his face into his desk, realising this would lead to another lengthy PPUBA review.

[Corenea]

I wonder if this is filibustering

[East Ormania]

So you can keep both memberships. I'm not in favor of the bill, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

But then we can't get party status, being an NGO is no fun, we've already technically been an NGO for 2 and a half moths and we still want party status.

I support it, since it's not even serious. I mean, look at their platform.

We're completely serious. Dead serious. If you want to see a party that isn't serious, look at your own.

If i tought it wasn't serious, i wouldn't have joined it. Since i am also a human being, that has the same level of intelligence as you do, i can safely assume that you believed that your party was serious, too. This puts us both on the same boat: Either we are noth rational people or we are both stupid. Take your pick.

[The Aurentine Maglev Company]

Administrator Ainin slammed his face into his desk, realising this would lead to another lengthy PPUBA review.

That's just what I was going to do! I was getting the evidence ready, have to keep my chamber in order. One Ninja I am glad happened.


-PpT

[Maklohi Vai]

Wulukuno rose gravely and addressed Senator Brit. "James, I am disappointed in your use of generalizations and inaccuracies in that speech. On your accurate and precise illustrations, I do not contend, but surely your point could have been presented without the use of such language."

[Gallup]

A drunk Jay walked into the chamber.

"Shut it with the speeches, Okay! Y'all are so annoying..."

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Robert rose to clap for Britanno's speech.

[Ainin]

*admin paper bag on (like I said, we're out of hats)*

I must admit, my own expectations for this government were not and are not high. I cannot agree with all the people who have filled their positions, and I cannot say I expect the entire cabinet to do their duties. But he said something that made me smile, laugh almost. He claimed that the previous government had been 'ablaze with initiative and progress' which, to sum up, is utter rubbish. The majority of the population agreed when the election came, as demonstrated by the victory for the. National Freedom Coalition. If he is so confident that the Progress Coalition's previous cabinet was so successful, why doesn't he provide a list of the bills they got into the queue or passed! It'll be a short one, and unlike the cabinet before that, the Prime Minister cannot receive the blame for inactivity. What's more, if this government is as weak as he makes it out to be, why doesn't he display the huge amount of Progress Coalition bills that the new opposition has authored! You claim we are weak, yet seem to fail to take recognition of your own failures. Show us your shadow cabinet, and show us what it's done!

This is very provocative language, but nothing passing PPUBA standards.

Now, moving on. The Leader of the Opposition creates this illusion that the Progress Coalitions stands for the people, and part of the people are children.

Definition of illusion (n)
Bing Dictionary il·lu·sion [ i lóozh'n ]
something with deceptive appearance
(PPUBA 1.5) Personal attacks, insults and obscenities are not in order.

effectively proving my point that the opposition does not care for the people

(PPUBA 1.1) Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order.
(PPUBA 1.6) A direct charge against a Member may be made only by way of a motion for which is confirmed by five other Senate Members.

So while we have an opposition leader who claims the government is failing, he refuses to acknowledge the mistakes made by his own coalition.

(PPUBA 1.1) Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order.

If we put the government and opposition side by side and I are the achievements and failures of both this term, you will see what voters will see in elections, you will see what it crystal clear, you will see what everyone else can see, you will see that the government is doing a better job than the opposition, and we deserve power.

(PPUBA 1.4) The use of offensive, provocative or threatening language in any Senate thread is strictly forbidden.

Withdraw this immediately, please.

A reminder:

(PPUBA 3.9) Once the decision is rendered, the matter is no longer open to debate or discussion and the ruling may not be appealed.
(PPUBA 4.1) Should the Administrators find the utterances of a particular Member offensive or disorderly, that Member will be requested to post on the thread and to withdraw the unacceptable word or phrase unequivocally. The Member’s apology is accepted in good faith and the matter is then considered closed.
(PPUBA 4.2) However, if the Member persists in refusing to obey the directive of the Administrators to retract his or her words, the Administrators may then take action in punishment of the Member in question.

[Dangelia]

Senator Dhimitri Pelle applauded the Minister of Education loudly, "He speaks the truth! Bravo!!!"

[Oneracon]

I wonder if this is filibustering

It can't be filibustering, we have fixed debate and voting times.

It's just more fun than sitting here and doing nothing.

[Finium]

*admin paper bag on (like I said, we're out of hats)*

I hate to be that guy, but I cannot help but notice that Robert's speech went without this level of scrutiny from the administration. If you are to censor our speeches, then I suggest that you begin with Senator Glasgia's.