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[Fulflood]

Again, to people who aren't keen on registration can someone tell me why?

Ruins the RP.

[Battlion]

Again, to people who aren't keen on registration can someone tell me why?

Ruins the RP.

How so?

[Kamchastkia]

I did a quick skim and found that there were no agencies (at least from my skim) dedicated to aviation safety.

Aerospace Safety Act
Author: Kamchastkia (USLP)
Co-Sponsors:
Urgency: HIGH

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RECOGNIZING the necessity for safe transit in the airspace of Aurentina,

HEREBY,

ESTABLISHES the Aurentine Aerospace Association (AAA)

ESTABLISHES the Aurentine Board of Aerospace Safety (ABAS)

ESTABLISHES the AAA's authority as at least the following:
1.) Regulating all air travel in Aurentine Airspace.
2.) Establishing, Issuing, and Managing Pilot Licenses/Certifications.
3.) Creating and Updating all charts related to airport departures, arrivals, STARs, SIDs, Taxiways, ETC.

Sounds great.

4.) Researching and Developing Technology in relation to the safety of Aviation, and the release of that technology to the public domain.

All good, but what guarantee do we have that this won't be exploited for profit by some later?

Good point, how about the adding of this.

FORBIDS and developement in aviation released by the AAA to be sold and,
REQUIRES that ALL development in aviation released by the AAA to be released to the public domain.

ESTABLISHES the ABAS's authority as at least the following:
1.) Enforcing the regulations on air travel set in place by the Aurentine Aerospace Association.
2.) Investigation of all reported malfunctions and aviation accidents in Aurentine.
3.) Issuing of new Aviation Safety Standards based on sufficient evidence collected from aviation accidents domestic or abroad.

ESTABLISHES the ABAS as an agency under the authority of the Aurentine Aerospace Association.

ESTABLISHES the AAS under the authority of the Ministry of Interiors.

FORBIDS the senate to override any safety decision made by either agency.

Sure, I'm with you...

I'm assuming your caution is the inability of the senate to override safety decisions. I added this so no amount of lobbying can influence the senate to lower regulation and safety standards for commercial aviation.

REQUIRES that the agency head of the AAS must be confirmed by the senate.

*spits out entire drink* We...er..don't have to RP this part, do we?
I think other Ministers just kind of hire who they want, right?
Really, the MoI isn't even confirmed by the Senate...right?

Otherwise, in all seriousness, good work, thanks.

Well, I was unsure of this clause to begin with, if it is controversial I will remove it.

[Oneracon]

To clarify (again), how many sponsors are needed for a bill?

The count right now is PEPA: 4; VRA: 2

[Kamchastkia]

@Kamchastkia- Technically there is a Aerospace Safety Agency, the "Civil Aviation Authority" and the "Transport Accident Investigation Agency (TAIA)", as established under the Transport Ministry Provision Act. "1d: Hereby established a Transport Accident Investigation Agency (TAIA) to investigate all major transport accidents and incidents.", "4a: A Civil Aviation Authority may be created at the behest of the Minister of Transport.","4c: Herein relegates the task of establishing aircraft safety and security standards to the relevant agency." . The ideas are for your safety act are good, but a major rewrite is in order.

Can you link me to this?

[New Zepuha]

To clarify (again), how many sponsors are needed for a bill?

The count right now is PEPA: 4; VRA: 2

I will sponsor PEPA. You need 5 sponsors to be added to the queue.

[Oneracon]

Presidential Election Procedures Act has been submitted, reposting the VRA for visibility.

Voter Registration Act
Authors: Battlion [NLP], Oneracon [RG] | Co-Authors: Aeken [LD], Mishmahig [Ind.], The Realm of God [PC]
Sponsors: Gallup [NIFP], United Soviet Jason Republic [LFP], Rumostan [NLP], Belmaria [GG]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

RECOGNIZING that order must be imposed in the electoral process;

OBSERVING that a simple registration system would be the best prevention of fraudulent votes;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

Register of Electors

1. The Electoral Commission shall maintain a Register of Electors.
2. Any senator may apply to the Register of Electors at any time except during either round of a presidential election.
3. Senators shall remain on the Register of the Electors for the duration of the time they serve as a Senator.
4. Applications to become a senator shall include a box asking "Do you wish to be added to the Register of Electors for presidential elections?"
   
   Candidacy and Voting
5. Only Senators who are on the Register of Electors shall be eligible to vote or run a presidential election.

[Vyvlu]

Ruins the RP.

How so?

It's another hurdle to jump through, resulting in much less activity in the Senate. Unless we tie it in with the applications process, but then it's fundamentally pointless.

[Battlion]

Is there any other reason for opposition to the VRA bar "it ruins the RP" which isn't even a valid excuse... All it asks is there is a list of people who can vote by simply saying "I wish to vote", it prevents the feared boneyard resurrections during the election and makes it much fairer.

It's sensible and it ensures a fair election

[Battlion]

How so?

It's another hurdle to jump through, resulting in much less activity in the Senate. Unless we tie it in with the applications process, but then it's fundamentally pointless.

How is saying "I want to vote" in a thread and ticking a box in your Senate application a hurdle... It's not a hurdle at all.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=14759162#p14759162
From my interpretation, this gives the Minister executive authority over such things. However, I am awaiting the comment of the mods on just how much power the minister is supposed to have, and what the procedures for a Minister making decisions are. Luckily, I'm set to become Transport Minister, so I should be able to incorporate your ideas into the agency (with credit to yourself, naturally.).

[Kamchastkia]

Here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=14759162#p14759162
From my interpretation, this gives the Minister executive authority over such things. However, I am awaiting the comment of the mods on just how much power the minister is supposed to have, and what the procedures for a Minister making decisions are. Luckily, I'm set to become Transport Minister, so I should be able to incorporate your ideas into the agency (with credit to yourself, naturally.).

How would this look, instead of making redundant organizations, it's just adding more required things for CAA to do.

Aerospace Safety Act
Author: Kamchastkia (USLP)
Co-Sponsors: The Realm of God, Oneracon, The State of Czecho-Slovakia (PCP)
Urgency: HIGH

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RECOGNIZING the necessity for safe transit in the airspace of Aurentina and technological development for the safety of all domestic and abroad,

HEREBY,

ESTABLISHES the aditional tasks to the Civil Aviation Authority:
4g: Herein relegates Regulating all air travel in Aurentine Airspace to the CAA.
4h: Herein relegates Creating and Updating all charts related to airport departures, arrivals, STARs, SIDs, Taxiways, ETC to the CAA.
4i: Herein relegates Researching and Developing Technology in relation to the safety of Aviation, and the release of that technology to the public domain, to the CAA.

ESTABLISHES the Aurentine Board of Aerospace Safety as an agency under the authority of the Civil Aviation Authority.

ESTABLISHES the ABAS's authority as at least the following:
1.) Enforcing the regulations on air travel set in place by the Aurentine Aerospace Association.
2.) Investigation of all reported malfunctions and aviation accidents in Aurentine.
3.) Issuing of new Aviation Safety Standards based on sufficient evidence collected from aviation accidents domestic or abroad.

REQUIRES that all pilots to be certified to fly in Aurentine by the CAA or a foreign, reputable aerospace organization.

FORBIDS the senate to override any safety decision made by either agency.

[Battlion]

Is there any other reason for opposition to the VRA bar "it ruins the RP" which isn't even a valid excuse... All it asks is there is a list of people who can vote by simply saying "I wish to vote", it prevents the feared boneyard resurrections during the election and makes it much fairer.

It's sensible and it ensures a fair election

[Yanalia]

Is there any other reason for opposition to the VRA bar "it ruins the RP" which isn't even a valid excuse... All it asks is there is a list of people who can vote by simply saying "I wish to vote", it prevents the feared boneyard resurrections during the election and makes it much fairer.

It's sensible and it ensures a fair election

It does ruin the RP, and that is a valid excuse. We already had two fair elections without this; it's unnecessary and only serves to drive people who don't have a lot of time for this RP even further away.

[Battlion]

It does ruin the RP, and that is a valid excuse. We already had two fair elections without this; it's unnecessary and only serves to drive people who don't have a lot of time for this RP even further away.

How does it drive people away?

Under the VRA the members who join from the law passing will have the option to sign straight away, anyone who has already voted merely says "I want to vote" how is four words too time consuming.

This ensures we know exactly how many votes are required for a candidate to win, prevents boneyard abuses that some have feared and ensures the elections aren't inflated.

[Oneracon]

Kamchastkia, the "Establishes the ABAS" should have the long form name and be moved above the portion of the bill describing the ABAS' role

[Kamchastkia]

Kamchastkia, the "Establishes the ABAS" should have the long form name and be moved above the portion of the bill describing the ABAS' role

Changed the wording and added a clause that requires pilots to be licensed to fly.

[Geilinor]

It's another hurdle to jump through, resulting in much less activity in the Senate. Unless we tie it in with the applications process, but then it's fundamentally pointless.

How is saying "I want to vote" in a thread and ticking a box in your Senate application a hurdle... It's not a hurdle at all.

Why would a Senator have to sign up to vote? According to the RP, our constituents elected us. It's our job to vote. If we don't vote at all, we might as well quit the Senate.

[Battlion]

How is saying "I want to vote" in a thread and ticking a box in your Senate application a hurdle... It's not a hurdle at all.

Why would a Senator have to sign up to vote? According to the RP, our constituents elected us. It's our job to vote. If we don't vote at all, we might as well quit the Senate.

Yes, but this isn't in relation to the RP this is to ensure a fairer system for voting to take place, I am yet to see any argument that actually criticises what it's asking bar this which even then.

I'd be content if the admin team took a look at this and if possible, enforce this without legislation.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

@ Kamchastkia: Looks good, man. I'll sponsor it, as Minister of Transport. All though, as said minister, I think I might be able to simply post the text in the new ministry thread, once it's up and call it an "executive order", and save you some time and effort.

[Kamchastkia]

Looks good, man. I'll sponsor it, as Minister of Transport. All though, as said minister, I think I might be able to simply post the text in the new ministry thread, once it's up and call it an "executive order", and save you some time and effort.

The bill makes it more permanent, once you're replaced in 2 months, someone can repeal it. It takes a majority of the senate to repeal a passed law.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Ok, sounds good. I was certain that more permanent actions could and would be done through the Senate. I'm going to work on a Omnibus for Transportation Bills soon through the Ministry, once the thread is up. Anyone with a bill, feel free to sign up. Also BTW, I've decided on 4ft 81/2 in gauge as our standard railroad gauge.

[Belmaria]

Presidential Election Procedures Act has been submitted, reposting the VRA for visibility.

Voter Registration Act
Authors: Battlion [NLP], Oneracon [RG] | Co-Authors: Aeken [LD], Mishmahig [Ind.], The Realm of God [PC]
Sponsors: Gallup [NIFP], United Soviet Jason Republic [LFP]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

RECOGNIZING that order must be imposed in the electoral process;

OBSERVING that a simple registration system would be the best prevention of fraudulent votes;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

Register of Electors

1. The Electoral Commission shall maintain a Register of Electors.
2. Any senator may apply to the Register of Electors at any time except during either round of a presidential election.
3. Senators shall remain on the Register of the Electors for the duration of the time they serve as a Senator.
4. Applications to become a senator shall include a box asking "Do you wish to be added to the Register of Electors for presidential elections?"
   
   Candidacy and Voting
5. Only Senators who are on the Register of Electors shall be eligible to vote or run a presidential election.

I'm afraid I don't understand why we need this bill. What is the purpose of the register of electors?

[Battlion]

Presidential Election Procedures Act has been submitted, reposting the VRA for visibility.

Voter Registration Act
Authors: Battlion [NLP], Oneracon [RG] | Co-Authors: Aeken [LD], Mishmahig [Ind.], The Realm of God [PC]
Sponsors: Gallup [NIFP], United Soviet Jason Republic [LFP]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

RECOGNIZING that order must be imposed in the electoral process;

OBSERVING that a simple registration system would be the best prevention of fraudulent votes;

HEREBY ENACTS the following:

Register of Electors

1. The Electoral Commission shall maintain a Register of Electors.
2. Any senator may apply to the Register of Electors at any time except during either round of a presidential election.
3. Senators shall remain on the Register of the Electors for the duration of the time they serve as a Senator.
4. Applications to become a senator shall include a box asking "Do you wish to be added to the Register of Electors for presidential elections?"
   
   Candidacy and Voting
5. Only Senators who are on the Register of Electors shall be eligible to vote or run a presidential election.

I'm afraid I don't understand why we need this bill. What is the purpose of the register of electors?

To mainly prevent boneyard nation resurrections and to give a bit more stability to elections, will tell us exactly how many votes are needed to win etc and in general should solve several problems indirectly.

[Rumostan]

I'm afraid I don't understand why we need this bill. What is the purpose of the register of electors?

To mainly prevent boneyard nation resurrections and to give a bit more stability to elections, will tell us exactly how many votes are needed to win etc and in general should solve several problems indirectly.

I will sponsor it.