How does this forget the working class exactly...?
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by The Nihilistic view » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:14 pm
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by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:22 pm
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:24 pm
by Free South Califas » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:26 pm
Geilinor wrote:Free South Califas wrote:Vouchers can easily be outpaced by costs in an essential service market while legislators of a future unknown government refuse to raise the output.
That won't happen with vouchers. For example, vouchers in Sweden are worth the same amount as what public schools are given per student. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_sweden#Free_schools
by The Nihilistic view » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:27 pm
Geilinor wrote:We could adopt an education system similar to Sweden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_sweden#Free_schools We should focus on fully-public schools first though.
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:27 pm
by Free South Califas » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:29 pm
The Nihilistic view wrote:Geilinor wrote:We could adopt an education system similar to Sweden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_sweden#Free_schools We should focus on fully-public schools first though.
Why make the government pay for it when like in the UK we could make private schools having to offer bursaries to disadvantaged pupils a requirement to retain their charitable status? That way the issue of vouchers not being worth enough anymore is also got around.
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:30 pm
The Nihilistic view wrote:Ainin wrote:No. At least, in Quebec, the government subsidies 75% of private school tuition, and it makes it so Quebec has one of the, and maybe even the, highest private school enrollment rates in Canada. And guess what? They're not rich? Most are middle-class families.
And Canada is supposed to be liberal and progressive!!
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:31 pm
Free South Califas wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
Why make the government pay for it when like in the UK we could make private schools having to offer bursaries to disadvantaged pupils a requirement to retain their charitable status? That way the issue of vouchers not being worth enough anymore is also got around.
Here's an idea with legs.Geilinor wrote:So should we means-test public schools too?
Presumably that's covered by the progressive tax?
by The Nihilistic view » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:31 pm
by The Nihilistic view » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:32 pm
Geilinor wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
And Canada is supposed to be liberal and progressive!!
You seriously don't know what you're talking about, do you, Boris? Belgium, Sweden, Australia, Quebec. They do subsidize private school tuition. They make it so that a middle-class student could go to a private school instead of being restricted to public schools. What's not liberal is in fact not subsidizing private schools. The US system, for example, makes it so that the middle-class only has one option, while the wealthy have many. By adopting such a system, everyone has an equal opportunity to attend the school of their choice.
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:34 pm
by Ainin » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:34 pm
The Nihilistic view wrote:Geilinor wrote:You seriously don't know what you're talking about, do you, Boris? Belgium, Sweden, Australia, Quebec. They do subsidize private school tuition. They make it so that a middle-class student could go to a private school instead of being restricted to public schools. What's not liberal is in fact not subsidizing private schools. The US system, for example, makes it so that the middle-class only has one option, while the wealthy have many. By adopting such a system, everyone has an equal opportunity to attend the school of their choice.
Apart from the poor, again!
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:35 pm
Free South Califas wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
Not if one does not specify an amount on the voucher.
So the private sector should just be able to bilk the government at any rate it chooses?Geilinor wrote:That won't happen with vouchers. For example, vouchers in Sweden are worth the same amount as what public schools are given per student. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_sweden#Free_schools
Meaning they'll be functionally useless if the private schools charge more? I mean, don't get me wrong, I like free schools, especially if operated by the local community to try their own favored pedagogical methods or whatever. But that's about as far as I'd want subsidies to go personally.
They aren't allowed to charge additional fees, though they may accept private donations. There are no admissions tests either.nor are they allowed to charge the students any additional fees
by The Nihilistic view » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:35 pm
by Geilinor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:37 pm
The Nihilistic view wrote:Geilinor wrote:You seriously don't know what you're talking about, do you, Boris? Belgium, Sweden, Australia, Quebec. They do subsidize private school tuition. They make it so that a middle-class student could go to a private school instead of being restricted to public schools. What's not liberal is in fact not subsidizing private schools. The US system, for example, makes it so that the middle-class only has one option, while the wealthy have many. By adopting such a system, everyone has an equal opportunity to attend the school of their choice.
Apart from the poor, again!
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