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Living Freedom Land
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:01 am

I ABSTAIN from the vote.
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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:05 am

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Slazliyka
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Postby Slazliyka » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:08 am

Council, aye.
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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:09 am

COUNCIL, aye.
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Wolfmanne
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Founded: Mar 16, 2011
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:11 am

Holding a vote on this, especially whilst a new constitution is in the talking stage, may not be a good idea.
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:11 am

I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.
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Yanalia
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Postby Yanalia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:12 am

I think the Council of State should abide by whichever bill wins.
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:13 am

Yanalia wrote:I think the Council of State should abide by whichever bill wins.

I would only if it had a 66% majority passed. As I said, I wish for a firm consensus to be reached, not a bill winning by a few votes.
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Jetan
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Postby Jetan » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:13 am

Wolfmanne wrote:I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.

Democracy at it's worst indeed! :lol:
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Free South Califas
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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:13 am

Council, aye!
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:15 am

Wolfmanne wrote:I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.

In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.
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Jetan
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Postby Jetan » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:16 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.

In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.

Seconded.
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New Zepuha
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Postby New Zepuha » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:17 am

Jetan wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.

Seconded.

Third.
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:17 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.

In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.

He will resign so it doesn't matter.
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Gothmogs
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Postby Gothmogs » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:17 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Jetan wrote:Seconded.

Third.

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Yanalia
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Founded: Feb 22, 2013
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Postby Yanalia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:17 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Yanalia wrote:I think the Council of State should abide by whichever bill wins.

I would only if it had a 66% majority passed. As I said, I wish for a firm consensus to be reached, not a bill winning by a few votes.


But if we can't get a 66% vote either way, why would the Council be able to? We still have to choose one in the end.
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Free South Califas
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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:17 am

Can anyone summarize the procedure for a veto and/or senatorial response thereto?
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Slazliyka
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Founded: Jun 07, 2013
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Postby Slazliyka » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:18 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.

In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.

Opposed. His threat regarding the ECFA is worthless, he can't veto it as he would be removed from office and a new election would be held immediately.
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:18 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I abstain on both, and I shall also veto whichever one passes.

In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.

I object to this. There is still the possibility that one bill may obtain a 66% supermajority, as slim as it is.
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:19 am

Yanalia wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I would only if it had a 66% majority passed. As I said, I wish for a firm consensus to be reached, not a bill winning by a few votes.


But if we can't get a 66% vote either way, why would the Council be able to? We still have to choose one in the end.

Consensus is always possible. A way will be found and the only way to express it is through the Council of State.
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:19 am

Slazliyka wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:In light of this quite fair declaration, I move that we end voting on entire omnibus and move on to next thing in queue.

Opposed. His threat regarding the ECFA is worthless, he can't veto it as he would be removed from office and a new election would be held immediately.

seconded
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Ainins Bathtub
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Founded: Jun 25, 2013
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Postby Ainins Bathtub » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:21 am

CTALNH wrote:
Slazliyka wrote:Opposed. His threat regarding the ECFA is worthless, he can't veto it as he would be removed from office and a new election would be held immediately.

seconded

You can't countermotion.
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Yanalia
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Postby Yanalia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:21 am

Ainins Bathtub wrote:
CTALNH wrote:seconded

You can't countermotion.


You can't motion to end a vote.
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Free South Califas
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Postby Free South Califas » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:21 am

Yanalia wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I would only if it had a 66% majority passed. As I said, I wish for a firm consensus to be reached, not a bill winning by a few votes.


But if we can't get a 66% vote either way, why would the Council be able to? We still have to choose one in the end.

I think he wants the Council to choose because it is equally balanced between political ideologies, giving disproportionate weight to the right.

Yanalia wrote:
Ainins Bathtub wrote:You can't countermotion.


You can't motion to end a vote.

Either way, stating one's opposition is fine. Seconding it is a little wasteful, but this is Forum 7, and it does show strength. :shrug:
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Welsh Cowboy
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Founded: Dec 03, 2011
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:22 am

I'll abstain from the vote.
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