NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Liberated Counties]

Inserting a clause saying roughly: Expirimentation on animals, for medical and scientific purposes, is legal in this nation.

No, it's not necessary to broadly legalize experimentation. That's for a separate bill, and would lose my support for this one BTW. If we want painful experimentation on animals to be legal (and I don't think you necessarily represent the whole Senate on this, as perhaps neither do I), we just need a clause that says:

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Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or prohibiting animal experimentation.

I'd prefer the following:

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Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or prohibiting animal experimentation, although researchers are strongly urged to prevent needless pain and suffering through voluntary means.

Ideally, I'd like the separate bill to ban (at least) animal experimentation which could cause pain and suffering, but that's a topic for another day.

For the fly problem:

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Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or punishing the act of protecting an individual or shared food supply by killing or attempting to kill bugs, or kill creatures or disable objects which appear similar and threaten the safety or integrity of such food.

Add the insect part, and add your preferred option for the experimentation clause.

[Unicario]

We need to ban PETA. Seriously, shoot those motherfuckers if they enter our borders. They've got a worse animal care record than any other group I know of.

[Ainin]

We need to ban PETA. Seriously, shoot those motherfuckers if they enter our borders. They've got a worse animal care record than any other group I know of.

The Catholic Church has the worst human rights record of any religion. Doesn't mean we should ban it.

[Wolfmanne]

We need to ban PETA. Seriously, shoot those motherfuckers if they enter our borders. They've got a worse animal care record than any other group I know of.

The Catholic Church has the worst human rights record of any religion. Doesn't mean we should ban it.

You are aware that the Inquisition and Counter-Reformation are over right?

[Byzantium Imperial]

We need to ban PETA. Seriously, shoot those motherfuckers if they enter our borders. They've got a worse animal care record than any other group I know of.

I am pretty sure we have laws against militant groups, no matter what their ideology. Surely this can be used to do things other then disband right wing militias.

[Malgrave]

The Catholic Church has the worst human rights record of any religion. Doesn't mean we should ban it.

You are aware that the Inquisition and Counter-Reformation are over right?

You are aware that they continue to kill people in developed and undeveloped countries by campaigning against condoms and the use of faith over medicine in certain cases. Why should we have those who oppress the proletariat and cover up sex scandals inside our great nation?

[Wolfmanne]

You are aware that the Inquisition and Counter-Reformation are over right?

You are aware that they continue to kill people in developed and undeveloped countries by campaigning against condoms and the use of faith over medicine in certain cases. Why should we have those who oppress the proletariat and cover up sex scandals inside our great nation?

Because I'm one.

[Liberated Counties]

ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT



Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE] Free South Califas [CP]
Sponsors:

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.


Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

2a) Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed.

2b) the following Sentences, depending on the degree committed, are:

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £290-310 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £270-290 monetary fine and/or 1-4 Month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £250-270 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £200-250 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

3a) If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry; however, police may be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local judiciary or animal-related authorities at their discretion, enabling police and workers with police-generated passes to perform specific animal-related tasks on such property regardless of consent, as necessary to prevent abuse, end abuse, provide needed care, for sanitary purposes, or to corral or remove the animal for those listed purposes, or in order to determine if such action is needed. During the rescue operation, police must operate with restraint, causing as little damage to property, persons or other animals as possible.

3b) Police authorities are strongly encouraged to train a proportional number of their staff to be aware of these responsibilities in general and/or as regards particular animals of interest, and also to cultivate active relationships with diverse animal experts who can be reached on an emergency basis.

3c) Once an animal has been recovered, they are to be taken to the local veterinary clinic if necessary for their health, then delivered to local animal shelters to care for and Reno,e the animal at their own discretion.

Section 4: Medicinary

A qualified Veterinarian is not considered to have committed abuse in cases where they preform procedures on an animal in the best interest of the animal's health, so long as anaesthetic has been properly applied as regards procedures which may cause severe suffering will require anaesthetic. Owners without veterinary qualifications are also not to be considered as having committed abuse toward an animal for whom they are the primary caretaker if they are applying prescribed treatments or medicines, or performing procedures thought by medical consensus to be safe for the animal, and particular breed and size especially as regards dosage, at the time of the event.




Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising or prohibiting the commercial organised racing of animals.


Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or prohibiting animal experimentation.


Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising the hunting of animals classified as game.


Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalising or abolishing the humane slaughter of Livestock for the purpose of providing a food supply.



Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or punishing the act of protecting an individual or shared food supply by killing or attempting to kill bugs, or kill creatures or disable objects which appear similar and threaten the safety or integrity of such food.



Redone.

[Malgrave]

You are aware that they continue to kill people in developed and undeveloped countries by campaigning against condoms and the use of faith over medicine in certain cases. Why should we have those who oppress the proletariat and cover up sex scandals inside our great nation?

Because I'm one.

You willingly aid an organisation that covers ups crimes and commits murder everyday?

[Wolfmanne]

Because I'm one.

You willingly aid an organisation that covers ups crimes and commits murder everyday?

And you adhere to Stalinism or Marxist-Leninism, which also covers up crimes and commits murders, so what gives you the right to criticise the Catholic Church?

[Kouralia]

You willingly aid an organisation that covers ups crimes and commits murder everyday?

And you adhere to Stalinism or Marxist-Leninism, which also covers up crimes and commits murders, so what gives you the right to criticise the Catholic Church?

The Right to Free Speech.

[Ainin]

Since the Metric Supremacy Act would surely fail...

System of Measurement Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors: Free South Califas [C], New Zepuha [CMP], Geilinor [LD], Slazliyka [C]

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Noting the currently-used British Imperial System is arbitrary and absurd,

Lauding the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) for declaring the International System of Units (or metric system) the international standard,

Acknowledging that the International System of Units is superior to the Imperial System in any and all ways,

However realizing that a sudden switch to the International System of Units may cause unintended consequences, including but not limited to financial losses, incidents involving motor vehicles and dangerous incorrect chemical mixtures,

Section I - On Government Usage
a) All persons employed by all ministries, departments, organs and corporations belonging to the Aurentine, provincial, regional or municipal governments must cease usage of the imperial system in official documentation.
b) All signalization under public administration must be converted to the metric system by 2017.
c) Any civil servant failing to comply with these regulations thrice may be terminated at supervisor's discretion starting from January 1st, 2017.
d) The Ministry of Research and Astronomy is tasked with overseeing the Aurentine public sector's transfer to the ISU.
e) All licensed education facilities must use and teach the International System of Units (ISU) as predominant system of measurement.

Section II - On Private Usage
a) Shops, restaurants and other enterprises destined for public use are to switch to the metric system by 2023 or face a fine of $2,000.
b) All employees whose primary job involves contact with the customer have to be able to give a basic measurement of weight, volume and length.
c) Any company directly dealing with persons or corporations in the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Kingdom of Spain, Canada, the United Mexican States, the Republic of Liberia or the Union of Burma are exempt from the previous clause.
d) The Ministry of Commerce shall be tasked with overseeing the Aurentine private sector's transfer to the ISU.
e) Establishments serving alcohol are exempt from clauses (a) and (b).

Section III - The International System of Units

• Weight: The kilogramme (kg), and all derivatives thereof
• Length: The metre (m), and all derivatives thereof
• Temperature: The kelvin, and all derivatives thereof
• Time: The second, and all derivatives thereof

The following are to be classified as metric as well for the purpose of this law:

• Temperature: The degree Centigrade (Celsius), and all derivatives thereof
• Voltage: The volt, and all derivatives thereof
• Resistance: The ohm, and all derivatives thereof
• Frequency: The hertz, and all derivatives thereof

All categories not named by this list are unregulated by this legislation.


Hereby passes the System of Measurement Act.

[Finium]

They have no investigative powers last I checked; they're just like the national guard.

Giving the National Gendarmerie such powers would be cheaper and more efficient than creating a brand sparkling new agency.

The Gendarmerie with these powers would be like militarizing the police. I for one (and I'm sure none of our constituents) want a paramilitary organization running investigations.

[Unicario]

And you adhere to Stalinism or Marxist-Leninism, which also covers up crimes and commits murders, so what gives you the right to criticise the Catholic Church?

The Right to Free Speech.

I reject the idea that you should be allowed to trash somebody's religion, Senator.

Communism is the creation of a mentally handicapped Jew that only created it for the absolute purpose of taking all the money in his greedy Jew hands.

See, I can say that because freedom of speech.

[Hathradic States]

Giving the National Gendarmerie such powers would be cheaper and more efficient than creating a brand sparkling new agency.

The Gendarmerie with these powers would be like militarizing the police. I for one (and I'm sure none of our constituents) want a paramilitary organization running investigations.

How about a non-military agency? Something that doesn't amount to a secret police.

[Finium]

The Gendarmerie with these powers would be like militarizing the police. I for one (and I'm sure none of our constituents) want a paramilitary organization running investigations.

How about a non-military agency? Something that doesn't amount to a secret police.

That's what the NIC is. It's a body of agents that can investigate terrorist activities, organized crime and enemy spies.

[Wolfmanne]

Giving the National Gendarmerie such powers would be cheaper and more efficient than creating a brand sparkling new agency.

The Gendarmerie with these powers would be like militarizing the police. I for one (and I'm sure none of our constituents) want a paramilitary organization running investigations.

Canada has a gendarmerie called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, also known as the Royal Gendarmerie of Canada in French. They have the status as being a regiment of dragoons yet they work fine.

[Ainin]

Giving the National Gendarmerie such powers would be cheaper and more efficient than creating a brand sparkling new agency.

The Gendarmerie with these powers would be like militarizing the police. I for one (and I'm sure none of our constituents) want a paramilitary organization running investigations.

You do realize what Gendarmerie means, right?

It's French for National Police.

And one of the most democratic nations on Earth has a paramilitary in charge of running federal investigations.

EDIT: Ninjas...

[Wolfmanne]

How about a non-military agency? Something that doesn't amount to a secret police.

That's what the NIC is. It's a body of agents that can investigate terrorist activities, organized crime and enemy spies.

But it shouldn't do that. It's role is to gather foreign intelligence not arrest people, because the Police and Gendarmes do that.

[Finium]

The Gendarmerie with these powers would be like militarizing the police. I for one (and I'm sure none of our constituents) want a paramilitary organization running investigations.

You do realize what Gendarmerie means, right?

It's French for National Police.

And one of the most democratic nations on Earth has a paramilitary in charge of running federal investigations.

EDIT: Ninjas...

But our French for National Police operates like the American National Guard, which is just pure muscle. The Gendarmerie isn't designed to operate with investigative prowess and there is no reason to expect men trained exclusively by the state as soldiers to be good investigators.

[Hathradic States]

Since the Metric Supremacy Act would surely fail...

System of Measurement Act
Author: Ainin | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors:

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Noting the currently-used British Imperial System is arbitrary and absurd,

Lauding the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) for declaring the International System of Units (or metric system) the international standard,

Acknowledging that the International System of Units is superior to the Imperial System in any and all ways,

However realizing that a sudden switch to the International System of Units may cause unintended consequences, including but not limited to financial losses, incidents involving motor vehicles and dangerous incorrect chemical mixtures,

Section I - On Government Usage
a) All persons employed by all ministries, departments, organs and corporations belonging to the Aurentine, provincial, regional or municipal governments must cease usage of the imperial system in official documentation.
b) All signalization under public administration must be converted to the metric system by 2017.
c) Any civil servant failing to comply with these regulations thrice may be terminated at supervisor's discretion starting from January 1st, 2017.
d) The Ministry of Research and Astronomy is tasked with overseeing the Aurentine public sector's transfer to the ISU.
e) All licensed education facilities must use and teach the International System of Units (ISU) as predominant system of measurement.

Section II - On Private Usage
a) Shops, restaurants and other enterprises destined for public use are to switch to the metric system by 2023 or face a fine of $2,000.
b) All employees whose primary job involves contact with the customer have to be able to give a basic measurement of weight, volume and length.
c) Any company directly dealing with persons or corporations in the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Kingdom of Spain, Canada, the United Mexican States, the Republic of Liberia or the Union of Burma are exempt from the previous clause.
d) The Ministry of Commerce shall be tasked with overseeing the Aurentine private sector's transfer to the ISU.
e) Establishments serving alcohol are exempt from clauses (a) and (b).

Section III - The International System of Units

• Weight: The kilogramme (kg), and all derivatives thereof
• Length: The metre (m), and all derivatives thereof
• Temperature: The kelvin, and all derivatives thereof
• Time: The second, and all derivatives thereof

The following are to be classified as metric as well for the purpose of this law:

• Temperature: The degree Centigrade (Celsius), and all derivatives thereof
• Voltage: The volt, and all derivatives thereof
• Resistance: The ohm, and all derivatives thereof
• Frequency: The hertz, and all derivatives thereof

All categories not named by this list are unregulated by this legislation.


Hereby passes the System of Measurement Act.

Opposed to section II, clause a) and b)

[Hathradic States]

You do realize what Gendarmerie means, right?

It's French for National Police.

And one of the most democratic nations on Earth has a paramilitary in charge of running federal investigations.

EDIT: Ninjas...

But our French for National Police operates like the American National Guard, which is just pure muscle. The Gendarmerie isn't designed to operate with investigative prowess and there is no reason to expect men trained exclusively by the state as soldiers to be good investigators.

Do what my party does and just have a body designed to investigate crimes, and give them over to the police for arrest.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Since the Metric Supremacy Act would surely fail...

System of Measurement Act
Author: Ainin | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors:

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Noting the currently-used British Imperial System is arbitrary and absurd,

Lauding the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) for declaring the International System of Units (or metric system) the international standard,

Acknowledging that the International System of Units is superior to the Imperial System in any and all ways,

However realizing that a sudden switch to the International System of Units may cause unintended consequences, including but not limited to financial losses, incidents involving motor vehicles and dangerous incorrect chemical mixtures,

Section I - On Government Usage
a) All persons employed by all ministries, departments, organs and corporations belonging to the Aurentine, provincial, regional or municipal governments must cease usage of the imperial system in official documentation.
b) All signalization under public administration must be converted to the metric system by 2017.
c) Any civil servant failing to comply with these regulations thrice may be terminated at supervisor's discretion starting from January 1st, 2017.
d) The Ministry of Research and Astronomy is tasked with overseeing the Aurentine public sector's transfer to the ISU.
e) All licensed education facilities must use and teach the International System of Units (ISU) as predominant system of measurement.

Section II - On Private Usage
a) Shops, restaurants and other enterprises destined for public use are to switch to the metric system by 2023 or face a fine of $2,000.
b) All employees whose primary job involves contact with the customer have to be able to give a basic measurement of weight, volume and length.
c) Any company directly dealing with persons or corporations in the United States of America, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Kingdom of Spain, Canada, the United Mexican States, the Republic of Liberia or the Union of Burma are exempt from the previous clause.
d) The Ministry of Commerce shall be tasked with overseeing the Aurentine private sector's transfer to the ISU.
e) Establishments serving alcohol are exempt from clauses (a) and (b).

Section III - The International System of Units

• Weight: The kilogramme (kg), and all derivatives thereof
• Length: The metre (m), and all derivatives thereof
• Temperature: The kelvin, and all derivatives thereof
• Time: The second, and all derivatives thereof

The following are to be classified as metric as well for the purpose of this law:

• Temperature: The degree Centigrade (Celsius), and all derivatives thereof
• Voltage: The volt, and all derivatives thereof
• Resistance: The ohm, and all derivatives thereof
• Frequency: The hertz, and all derivatives thereof

All categories not named by this list are unregulated by this legislation.


Hereby passes the System of Measurement Act.

No. Planck units or nothing.

[Ainin]

We already have a national police force too.

See: National Security Act.

National Police

§ 3: (a) The National Police Force [NPF] shall be established to protect against breaches of the peace, protect public safety and enforce criminal law.

[Kouralia]

But our French for National Police operates like the American National Guard, which is just pure muscle. The Gendarmerie isn't designed to operate with investigative prowess and there is no reason to expect men trained exclusively by the state as soldiers to be good investigators.

Do what my party does and just have a body designed to investigate crimes, and give them over to the police for arrest.

What? Like the Criminal Investigative Division in every single constabulary in our nation?