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Postby Liberated Counties » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:49 pm

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ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT


Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE]
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NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.
6th Degree Animal Abuse: Causing the death or harm of an insect or arachnid which was deemed a pest.

Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any 5th degree and above offence, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed. 6th degree Animal abuse will not be considered a criminal offence, and is not a matter of the judiciary system.

2a): Sentences

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £90-110 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £70-90 monetary fine and/or 1-4 month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £50-70 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £30-50 monetary fine.
6th Degree: No prosecution

Section 3: Rescue

If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry, however police will be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local authorities at their discretion, this will enable police to enter a property regardless of consent. During the rescue operation police are expected to cause as little collateral damage as possible.


Well, i hope that's a good first draft. I didn't really know how to write such an act. So I hope it's good enough for a starter.

By this law any and all scientific experimentation is illegal. Hell giving a dog his heart worm bills could be considered illegal under this.


What do you think I should put?
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:50 pm

Kouralia wrote:
People's Intelligence and Security Agency Creation Act (PISACA 2013)
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Kouralia | Sponsors: Malgrave, Free South Califras, Jozef van Oostvoorne, New Zephua


1) Preamble

REALISING the only intelligence services in our nation will be the implied Army Intelligence Corps et al.
UNDERSTANDING this is an inefficient state of affairs as these organisations are not intended to function in the same manner as a civilian intelligence service (e.g. The SS and SIS of the UK).
PROPOSING that the following be put forward.


2) Creation of a People's Intelligence and Security Agency

A - The current situation around the world shows that an intelligence service can be blinded by paranoia and other factors into losing sight of the reason for their creation. That being to protect the people of their nation from threats foreign and domestic who would overturn the popular mandate. For this reason they shall be known as the 'People's' ISA, to remind them that they should not seek to act outside of the popular interest. The Intelligence and Security sections of its name are obvious.
B - To further ensure accountability, the PISA will be partnered with a sub-organisation. While PISA will come under the *Home Secretary Position*, the Intelligence Accountability Agency will come under the Justice Minister, to add an additional separation.
C - Officials working for this agency shall be known by the catch-all term 'Officers', with ranks altering the honorific (e.g. Senior Intelligence Officer).


3) Jurisdiction/Powers of PISA and IAA

A - PISA shall be divided into separate subdivisions for Internal and External security, to avoid conflicts of interest. Direct liaison between these departments will be facilitated by failing to create any organisation devoted to liaising.
B - PISA Officers shall not have powers to arrest or detain individuals beyond that of a civilian. The National Gendarmerie and National Police Force maintains enough materiel and men to do so. PISA's primary remit shall be surveillance, information gathering, interaction with foreign services and full maintenance of the 'Cyber-Security' aspects of the nation's defenses.
C - PISA Officers are determined to have no legal authority in any foreign nation unless explicitly by that nation's recognised government. No pretenses of 'legitimate action' in a foreign nation shall be made unless that condition is met.
D - The Intelligence Accountability Agency has full authority to investigate the actions of the PISA wherever it is determined that PISA may have breached professional standards.
E - PISA is in no way exempted from any laws covering professional practices of Law Enforcement, Judicial, Military etc. organisations. Should it be found to have breached one of these practices (e.g. Torture or Execution), then the full force of the law shall be applied as if it were any other civilian.


4) Emblems, Livery and Equipment

A - It is highly recommended that PISA and the IAA create distinctive emblems/seals for their respective organisations. The design of such is not to be decided upon by the Senate, as such is too trivial a matter, however the organisation itself can and will create such an emblem.
B - It is strongly recommended that the PISA does not create any distinctive livery for their vehicles as they have no official purpose which might require immediate identification in the same manner as a Police Constabulary.
C - As PISA is not an armed branch of government, and lacks any authority to arrest citizenry or perform any active actions (such as counter-terrorist raids) against the populace, the Agency shall not be armed by any central or local government level's budget.


Intelligence Agency, thoughts?

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I don't suppose you could give it a name that doesn't imply such partisanship?
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:51 pm

Kouralia wrote:
People's Intelligence and Security Agency Creation Act (PISACA 2013)
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Kouralia | Sponsors: Malgrave, Free South Califras, Jozef van Oostvoorne, New Zephua


1) Preamble

REALISING the only intelligence services in our nation will be the implied Army Intelligence Corps et al.
UNDERSTANDING this is an inefficient state of affairs as these organisations are not intended to function in the same manner as a civilian intelligence service (e.g. The SS and SIS of the UK).
PROPOSING that the following be put forward.


2) Creation of a People's Intelligence and Security Agency

A - The current situation around the world shows that an intelligence service can be blinded by paranoia and other factors into losing sight of the reason for their creation. That being to protect the people of their nation from threats foreign and domestic who would overturn the popular mandate. For this reason they shall be known as the 'People's' ISA, to remind them that they should not seek to act outside of the popular interest. The Intelligence and Security sections of its name are obvious.
B - To further ensure accountability, the PISA will be partnered with a sub-organisation. While PISA will come under the *Home Secretary Position*, the Intelligence Accountability Agency will come under the Justice Minister, to add an additional separation.
C - Officials working for this agency shall be known by the catch-all term 'Officers', with ranks altering the honorific (e.g. Senior Intelligence Officer).


3) Jurisdiction/Powers of PISA and IAA

A - PISA shall be divided into separate subdivisions for Internal and External security, to avoid conflicts of interest. Direct liaison between these departments will be facilitated by failing to create any organisation devoted to liaising.
B - PISA Officers shall not have powers to arrest or detain individuals beyond that of a civilian. The National Gendarmerie and National Police Force maintains enough materiel and men to do so. PISA's primary remit shall be surveillance, information gathering, interaction with foreign services and full maintenance of the 'Cyber-Security' aspects of the nation's defenses.
C - PISA Officers are determined to have no legal authority in any foreign nation unless explicitly by that nation's recognised government. No pretenses of 'legitimate action' in a foreign nation shall be made unless that condition is met.
D - The Intelligence Accountability Agency has full authority to investigate the actions of the PISA wherever it is determined that PISA may have breached professional standards.
E - PISA is in no way exempted from any laws covering professional practices of Law Enforcement, Judicial, Military etc. organisations. Should it be found to have breached one of these practices (e.g. Torture or Execution), then the full force of the law shall be applied as if it were any other civilian.


4) Emblems, Livery and Equipment

A - It is highly recommended that PISA and the IAA create distinctive emblems/seals for their respective organisations. The design of such is not to be decided upon by the Senate, as such is too trivial a matter, however the organisation itself can and will create such an emblem.
B - It is strongly recommended that the PISA does not create any distinctive livery for their vehicles as they have no official purpose which might require immediate identification in the same manner as a Police Constabulary.
C - As PISA is not an armed branch of government, and lacks any authority to arrest citizenry or perform any active actions (such as counter-terrorist raids) against the populace, the Agency shall not be armed by any central or local government level's budget.


Intelligence Agency, thoughts?

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Thoughts:
There needs to be more firm language in this bill, especially at least two separate clauses that state something on the lines of "The People's Intelligence and Security Agency (PISA) shall be established as/for/to..." and "The Intelligence Accountability Agency (IAA) shall be established as/for/to..."

2A belongs more in a promotional release than a bill, and I recommend it be struck from the bill.

3A makes no sense, to be honest. "Direct liaison between these departments will be facilitated by failing to create any organisation devoted to liaising"?

4A and 4B should have a lot more "shall"s and a lot less "recommendation"s.
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Postby Kouralia » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:52 pm

Ainin wrote:
Kouralia wrote:
People's Intelligence and Security Agency Creation Act (PISACA 2013)
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Kouralia | Sponsors: Malgrave, Free South Califras, Jozef van Oostvoorne, New Zephua


1) Preamble

REALISING the only intelligence services in our nation will be the implied Army Intelligence Corps et al.
UNDERSTANDING this is an inefficient state of affairs as these organisations are not intended to function in the same manner as a civilian intelligence service (e.g. The SS and SIS of the UK).
PROPOSING that the following be put forward.


2) Creation of a People's Intelligence and Security Agency

A - The current situation around the world shows that an intelligence service can be blinded by paranoia and other factors into losing sight of the reason for their creation. That being to protect the people of their nation from threats foreign and domestic who would overturn the popular mandate. For this reason they shall be known as the 'People's' ISA, to remind them that they should not seek to act outside of the popular interest. The Intelligence and Security sections of its name are obvious.
B - To further ensure accountability, the PISA will be partnered with a sub-organisation. While PISA will come under the *Home Secretary Position*, the Intelligence Accountability Agency will come under the Justice Minister, to add an additional separation.
C - Officials working for this agency shall be known by the catch-all term 'Officers', with ranks altering the honorific (e.g. Senior Intelligence Officer).


3) Jurisdiction/Powers of PISA and IAA

A - PISA shall be divided into separate subdivisions for Internal and External security, to avoid conflicts of interest. Direct liaison between these departments will be facilitated by failing to create any organisation devoted to liaising.
B - PISA Officers shall not have powers to arrest or detain individuals beyond that of a civilian. The National Gendarmerie and National Police Force maintains enough materiel and men to do so. PISA's primary remit shall be surveillance, information gathering, interaction with foreign services and full maintenance of the 'Cyber-Security' aspects of the nation's defenses.
C - PISA Officers are determined to have no legal authority in any foreign nation unless explicitly by that nation's recognised government. No pretenses of 'legitimate action' in a foreign nation shall be made unless that condition is met.
D - The Intelligence Accountability Agency has full authority to investigate the actions of the PISA wherever it is determined that PISA may have breached professional standards.
E - PISA is in no way exempted from any laws covering professional practices of Law Enforcement, Judicial, Military etc. organisations. Should it be found to have breached one of these practices (e.g. Torture or Execution), then the full force of the law shall be applied as if it were any other civilian.


4) Emblems, Livery and Equipment

A - It is highly recommended that PISA and the IAA create distinctive emblems/seals for their respective organisations. The design of such is not to be decided upon by the Senate, as such is too trivial a matter, however the organisation itself can and will create such an emblem.
B - It is strongly recommended that the PISA does not create any distinctive livery for their vehicles as they have no official purpose which might require immediate identification in the same manner as a Police Constabulary.
C - As PISA is not an armed branch of government, and lacks any authority to arrest citizenry or perform any active actions (such as counter-terrorist raids) against the populace, the Agency shall not be armed by any central or local government level's budget.


Intelligence Agency, thoughts?

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I don't suppose you could give it a name that doesn't imply such partisanship?

It has no partisan name. It is to remind them day in and day out that they are not to make the horrific PATRIOT-esque mistakes of the CIA et al, and treat their own people like the enemy. And it spells Pisa.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:55 pm

Ok, the Senate's resident Spooks-expert is here and I shall complete my end of a bargain with Kourie.

Kouralia wrote:1) Preamble

REALISING the only intelligence services in our nation will be the implied Army Intelligence Corps et al.
UNDERSTANDING this is an inefficient state of affairs as these organisations are not intended to function in the same manner as a civilian intelligence service (e.g. The SS and SIS of the UK).
PROPOSING that the following be put forward.

Agreed.

Kouralia wrote:A - The current situation around the world shows that an intelligence service can be blinded by paranoia and other factors into losing sight of the reason for their creation. That being to protect the people of their nation from threats foreign and domestic who would overturn the popular mandate. For this reason they shall be known as the 'People's' ISA, to remind them that they should not seek to act outside of the popular interest. The Intelligence and Security sections of its name are obvious.

I disagree with the name. All agencies are ultimately accountable to the government, who in turn are accountable to the Senate, who in turn are accountable to the people. In my opinion, I think that this is unneeded.

Kouralia wrote:B - To further ensure accountability, the PISA will be partnered with a sub-organisation. While PISA will come under the *Home Secretary Position*, the Intelligence Accountability Agency will come under the Justice Minister, to add an additional separation.

Home Secretary should be referred to as the 'Minister of the Interior', which is the official name for this country. I also don't see the necessity of having an agency to conduct the internal policing of PISA and especially under a different ministry. Ultimately, intelligence and security agencies should be accountable to either the courts, some form of government committee consisting of a mixture of Ministers, Senators and civil servants or both. Creating an agency devoted to this means that it isn't accountable to a more reliable body; just look at the relationship between the IPCC and the police of the UK for instance. Also, having Senators and civil servants play a role means that Ministers can't influence the proceedings and gain a biased result.

Kouralia wrote:C - Officials working for this agency shall be known by the catch-all term 'Officers', with ranks altering the honorific (e.g. Senior Intelligence Officer).

This seems to be an overgeneralisation of the idea of an intelligence agency and I blame myself for not clarifying this. Within intelligence agencies, not everyone is an intelligence officer. You have linguists, intelligence analysts, administrators, software engineers etc. Remember that an intelligence agency is a civilian agency; it doesn't need or should have a formal ranking structure. It's like a corporation in a way, you get promoted, but you don't need the rank of Senior Desk Officer of Floor Level 18 to signify this.

Kouralia wrote:A - PISA shall be divided into separate subdivisions for Internal and External security, to avoid conflicts of interest. Direct liaison between these departments will be facilitated by failing to create any organisation devoted to liaising.

In my opinion I think that creating a separate intelligence and security agency would be a better idea. Intelligence agencies often send their officers abroad to gather internal intelligence and security agencies keep their's at home. It's like having the Army and the Navy integrated; they are two totally separate domains. I would strongly recommend separating them for efficiency purposes and to avoid a conflict of interests.

Kouralia wrote:B - PISA Officers shall not have powers to arrest or detain individuals beyond that of a civilian. The National Gendarmerie and National Police Force maintains enough materiel and men to do so. PISA's primary remit shall be surveillance, information gathering, interaction with foreign services and full maintenance of the 'Cyber-Security' aspects of the nation's defenses.

Fine with this.

Kouralia wrote:C - PISA Officers are determined to have no legal authority in any foreign nation unless explicitly by that nation's recognised government. No pretenses of 'legitimate action' in a foreign nation shall be made unless that condition is met.

This could hinder an intelligence officer's role of intelligence gathering in foreign countries. You don't go up to the Prime Minister of whatever country and ask 'Hi, I request access to those top-secret document regarding your new codes for the national defense network'. If a man has to be, err, 'kidnapped', in order to do that, that's fine.

Kouralia wrote:D - The Intelligence Accountability Agency has full authority to investigate the actions of the PISA wherever it is determined that PISA may have breached professional standards.

See above for my view on the IAA.

Kouralia wrote:E - PISA is in no way exempted from any laws covering professional practices of Law Enforcement, Judicial, Military etc. organisations. Should it be found to have breached one of these practices (e.g. Torture or Execution), then the full force of the law shall be applied as if it were any other civilian.

Alright then.

Kouralia wrote:A - It is highly recommended that PISA and the IAA create distinctive emblems/seals for their respective organisations. The design of such is not to be decided upon by the Senate, as such is too trivial a matter, however the organisation itself can and will create such an emblem.

K.
Kouralia wrote:B - It is strongly recommended that the PISA does not create any distinctive livery for their vehicles as they have no official purpose which might require immediate identification in the same manner as a Police Constabulary.

K.
Kouralia wrote:C - As PISA is not an armed branch of government, and lacks any authority to arrest citizenry or perform any active actions (such as counter-terrorist raids) against the populace, the Agency shall not be armed by any central or local government level's budget.

Remove this clause. From time to time a pistol may be a requirement, but I agree that they shouldn't have anything major. The intelligence/security agency can regulate itself fine and plus it has Ministerial oversight. This clause isn't necessary.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:56 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Kouralia wrote:

iii is so horrifically vague it allows the NIC to falsify any and all record-based evidence. That's right, it is utterly legal for them to create fake documentation, whether it be an email chain, your clock-in and clock-out print-out alibi from work, or a warrant for your arrest.
iv enables agents to not pay taxes... simply because they're doing their job. Will Detectives get this bonus too, and Gendarme Investigative Officers? Soldiers? Normal Policemen? What makes an Intelligence Officer's life and job worth so much more than theirs?
v enables torture, or rather 'anything up to but not including inflicting a mortal wound on someone in order to coerce them into giving you information'. That sounds a lot like torture to me.


Vaguest shit ever, except for the earlier stuff. Oh, and the other sections (detailed below) combined with this ensures that the NIC can not operate against any Aurentine citizen, no matter what they may be guilty of.

Fortunately the NIC only acts on threats. Oh, but what is this?
Oh, well, at least they can investigate things which aren't 'threats'. This act surely doesn't mean to list everything the NIC can do?
Never mind. It seems the NIC cannot overstep this boundary. The NIC's jurisdiction stops as soon as an Aurentine passport appears.



I support your stance on this bill. There are indeed some very worrying and frankly stupid clause in this bill that you have highlighted. Allowing the agency to falsify records!! What the Fuck is that about?

I agree with all this. Agencies could abuse their privileges if given them. There must be limits, and many clauses are simply too vague or don't even set any restrictions. Why do agents not have to pay taxes? Also, how many documents can they falsify? It simply says that the agency can "falsify documents for the duration of an investigation". Agents possessing false documentation to enter countries is fine, but under this law, agents could even falsify evidence that is in document form.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:58 pm

Ainin wrote:
Kouralia wrote:
People's Intelligence and Security Agency Creation Act (PISACA 2013)
Urgency: High| Drafted by: Kouralia | Sponsors: Malgrave, Free South Califras, Jozef van Oostvoorne, New Zephua


1) Preamble

REALISING the only intelligence services in our nation will be the implied Army Intelligence Corps et al.
UNDERSTANDING this is an inefficient state of affairs as these organisations are not intended to function in the same manner as a civilian intelligence service (e.g. The SS and SIS of the UK).
PROPOSING that the following be put forward.


2) Creation of a People's Intelligence and Security Agency

A - The current situation around the world shows that an intelligence service can be blinded by paranoia and other factors into losing sight of the reason for their creation. That being to protect the people of their nation from threats foreign and domestic who would overturn the popular mandate. For this reason they shall be known as the 'People's' ISA, to remind them that they should not seek to act outside of the popular interest. The Intelligence and Security sections of its name are obvious.
B - To further ensure accountability, the PISA will be partnered with a sub-organisation. While PISA will come under the *Home Secretary Position*, the Intelligence Accountability Agency will come under the Justice Minister, to add an additional separation.
C - Officials working for this agency shall be known by the catch-all term 'Officers', with ranks altering the honorific (e.g. Senior Intelligence Officer).


3) Jurisdiction/Powers of PISA and IAA

A - PISA shall be divided into separate subdivisions for Internal and External security, to avoid conflicts of interest. Direct liaison between these departments will be facilitated by failing to create any organisation devoted to liaising.
B - PISA Officers shall not have powers to arrest or detain individuals beyond that of a civilian. The National Gendarmerie and National Police Force maintains enough materiel and men to do so. PISA's primary remit shall be surveillance, information gathering, interaction with foreign services and full maintenance of the 'Cyber-Security' aspects of the nation's defenses.
C - PISA Officers are determined to have no legal authority in any foreign nation unless explicitly by that nation's recognised government. No pretenses of 'legitimate action' in a foreign nation shall be made unless that condition is met.
D - The Intelligence Accountability Agency has full authority to investigate the actions of the PISA wherever it is determined that PISA may have breached professional standards.
E - PISA is in no way exempted from any laws covering professional practices of Law Enforcement, Judicial, Military etc. organisations. Should it be found to have breached one of these practices (e.g. Torture or Execution), then the full force of the law shall be applied as if it were any other civilian.


4) Emblems, Livery and Equipment

A - It is highly recommended that PISA and the IAA create distinctive emblems/seals for their respective organisations. The design of such is not to be decided upon by the Senate, as such is too trivial a matter, however the organisation itself can and will create such an emblem.
B - It is strongly recommended that the PISA does not create any distinctive livery for their vehicles as they have no official purpose which might require immediate identification in the same manner as a Police Constabulary.
C - As PISA is not an armed branch of government, and lacks any authority to arrest citizenry or perform any active actions (such as counter-terrorist raids) against the populace, the Agency shall not be armed by any central or local government level's budget.


Intelligence Agency, thoughts?

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I don't suppose you could give it a name that doesn't imply such partisanship?

It's partisan because it contains the word "people's"? But "Aurentine" is fine?
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:03 pm

Liberated Counties wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:By this law any and all scientific experimentation is illegal. Hell giving a dog his heart worm bills could be considered illegal under this.


What do you think I should put?

Inserting a clause saying roughly: Expirimentation on animals, for medical and scientific purposes, is legal in this nation.
For medicine, probably just putting somewhere: This exempts harm that may be caused to animals in the case of medical treatment, or other good intention ed assistance.

Change the wording of the above lines definetly, but something along those two lines would eliminate my objections
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:08 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Liberated Counties wrote:
What do you think I should put?

Inserting a clause saying roughly: Expirimentation on animals, for medical and scientific purposes, is legal in this nation.


I remember seeing a bill once that established some regulations on animal experimentation. I don't remember if it was on NS, but it was somewhere. I'll try to find it if I can.
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Postby Liberated Counties » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:14 pm

I don't think my act is very good at all, i think we should wait for a better written one to come along. I will fully support it when it does.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:15 pm

Liberated Counties wrote:I don't think my act is very good at all, i think we should wait for a better written one to come along. I will fully support it when it does.

Nonsense! You should try as hard as possible to make this a good bill (so that future bills become easiar to write)
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:19 pm

Let's model the Animal Protection Act after the Animals(Scientific Procedures)Act in the UK or the US Animal Welfare Act. I'm leaning towards the UK law, which is considered to be the strictest regulation on animal restriction while still allowing it when there are benefits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_(Scientific_Procedures)_Act_1986
Also, the US act has many exceptions. Birds, rats, mice, and cold-blooded animals are exempted.
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:25 pm

Geilinor wrote:Let's model the Animal Protection Act after the Animals(Scientific Procedures)Act in the UK or the US Animal Welfare Act. I'm leaning towards the UK law, which is considered to be the strictest regulation on animal restriction while still allowing it when there are benefits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_(Scientific_Procedures)_Act_1986
Also, the US act has many exceptions. Birds, rats, mice, and cold-blooded animals are exempted.


Work in a government-sanctioned animal welfare agency and you've got my support.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:27 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Let's model the Animal Protection Act after the Animals(Scientific Procedures)Act in the UK or the US Animal Welfare Act. I'm leaning towards the UK law, which is considered to be the strictest regulation on animal restriction while still allowing it when there are benefits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_(Scientific_Procedures)_Act_1986
Also, the US act has many exceptions. Birds, rats, mice, and cold-blooded animals are exempted.


Work in a government-sanctioned animal welfare agency and you've got my support.

I would make the following:

Creates the Aurentine Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), a law enforcement agency capable of executing warrants relating to provisions of this act.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:29 pm

Ainin wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Work in a government-sanctioned animal welfare agency and you've got my support.

I would make the following:

Creates the Aurentine Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), a law enforcement agency capable of executing warrants relating to provisions of this act.

Why is the acronym the same as the American non-profit organization?
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ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT


Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE]
Sponsors:

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.


Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed. 6th degree Animal abuse will not be considered a criminal offence, and is not a matter of the judiciary system.

2a): Sentences

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £90-110 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £70-90 monetary fine and/or 1-4 month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £50-70 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £30-50 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry, however police will be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local authorities at their discretion, this will enable police to enter a property regardless of consent. During the rescue operation police are expected to cause as little collateral damage as possible.

Section 4: Animal Health

A qualified Veterinarian is not committing animal abuse if they preform procedures on an animal which is in the interest of the its health. Procedures that may cause severe suffering will legally require anaesthetic, otherwise it would be deemed 3rd degree abuse. Owners are also not committing abuse towards the animal if they are applying animal-safe medicines or prescribed treatments

Section 5: Medical and Scientific Experiment

Experimentation on animals for medical and scientific purposes is to be exempt from this act and legal in this nation only when considered beneficial. If deemed beneficial, it has been agreed that it is safer to test on animals to see if something is overall safe for human use. When experimentation is in practice, it is legally required to follow the regulation set forward by previous acts.




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Postby Oneracon » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:34 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:I would make the following:

Creates the Aurentine Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), a law enforcement agency capable of executing warrants relating to provisions of this act.

Why is the acronym the same as the American non-profit organization?


What about the Aurentine Society for Animal Protection and Welfare? (ASAPW)
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:34 pm

Liberated Counties wrote:
Liberated Counties wrote:
ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT


Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE]
Sponsors:

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.


Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed. 6th degree Animal abuse will not be considered a criminal offence, and is not a matter of the judiciary system.

2a): Sentences

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £90-110 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £70-90 monetary fine and/or 1-4 month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £50-70 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £30-50 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry, however police will be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local authorities at their discretion, this will enable police to enter a property regardless of consent. During the rescue operation police are expected to cause as little collateral damage as possible.

Section 4: Animal Health

A qualified Veterinarian is not committing animal abuse if they preform procedures on an animal which is in the interest of the its health. Procedures that may cause severe suffering will legally require anaesthetic, otherwise it would be deemed 3rd degree abuse. Owners are also not committing abuse towards the animal if they are applying animal-safe medicines or prescribed treatments

Section 5: Medical and Scientific Experiment

Experimentation on animals for medical and scientific purposes is to be exempt from this act and legal in this nation only when considered beneficial. If deemed beneficial, it has been agreed that it is safer to test on animals to see if something is overall safe for human use. When experimentation is in practice, it is legally required to follow the regulation set forward by previous acts.




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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:34 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:I would make the following:

Creates the Aurentine Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), a law enforcement agency capable of executing warrants relating to provisions of this act.

Why is the acronym the same as the American non-profit organization?

Really? Poop.

AHS (Aurentine Humane Society)?
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:35 pm

Liberated Counties and FSC wrote:
ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT


Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE]
Sponsors:

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.


Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed. 6th degree Animal abuse will not be considered a criminal offence, and is not a matter of the judiciary system.

2a): Sentences

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £90-110 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £70-90 monetary fine and/or 1-4 month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £50-70 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £30-50 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry; however, police may be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local judiciary or animal-related authorities at their discretion, enabling police and workers with police-generated passes to perform specific animal-related tasks on such property regardless of consent, as necessary to prevent abuse, end abuse, provide needed care, for sanitary purposes, or to corral or remove the animal for those listed purposes, or in order to determine if such action is needed. During the rescue operation, police must operate with restraint, causing as little damage to property, persons or other animals as possible.

Police authorities are strongly encouraged to train a proportional number of their staff to be aware of these responsibilities in general and/or as regards particular animals of interest, and also to cultivate active relationships with diverse animal experts who can be reached on an emergency basis.

Section 4: Medicinary

A qualified Veterinarian is not considered to have committed abuse in cases where they preform procedures on an animal in the best interest of the animal's health, so long as anaesthetic has been properly applied as regards procedures which may cause severe suffering will require anaesthetic. Owners without veterinary qualifications are also not to be considered as having committed abuse toward an animal for whom they are the primary caretaker if they are applying prescribed treatments or medicines, or performing procedures thought by medical consensus to be safe for the animal, and particular breed and size especially as regards dosage, at the time of the event.


Well, i hope that's a good first draft. I didn't really know how to write such an act. So I hope it's good enough for a starter. Please criticise thoroughly if there are faults. Which I presume there are.

Great work, thanks for doing this Senator. Above is my proofread/redraft. Sorry if there has been a new draft since this - I will try to synthesize them.

I'd also like to ask if you're willing to add community service for 5th degree, as there is an element of intentionality, and further if you are open to stiffer penalties for 3rd and 5th degree abuses generally.
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Postby Liberated Counties » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:37 pm

Ainin wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why is the acronym the same as the American non-profit organization?

Really? Poop.

AHS (Aurentine Humane Society)?


AAPA (Aurentine Animal Protection Agency)?
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Free South Califas wrote:
Liberated Counties and FSC wrote:
ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT


Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE]
Sponsors:

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.


Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed. 6th degree Animal abuse will not be considered a criminal offence, and is not a matter of the judiciary system.

2a): Sentences

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £90-110 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £70-90 monetary fine and/or 1-4 month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £50-70 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £30-50 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry; however, police may be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local judiciary or animal-related authorities at their discretion, enabling police and workers with police-generated passes to perform specific animal-related tasks on such property regardless of consent, as necessary to prevent abuse, end abuse, provide needed care, for sanitary purposes, or to corral or remove the animal for those listed purposes, or in order to determine if such action is needed. During the rescue operation, police must operate with restraint, causing as little damage to property, persons or other animals as possible.

Police authorities are strongly encouraged to train a proportional number of their staff to be aware of these responsibilities in general and/or as regards particular animals of interest, and also to cultivate active relationships with diverse animal experts who can be reached on an emergency basis.

Section 4: Medicinary

A qualified Veterinarian is not considered to have committed abuse in cases where they preform procedures on an animal in the best interest of the animal's health, so long as anaesthetic has been properly applied as regards procedures which may cause severe suffering will require anaesthetic. Owners without veterinary qualifications are also not to be considered as having committed abuse toward an animal for whom they are the primary caretaker if they are applying prescribed treatments or medicines, or performing procedures thought by medical consensus to be safe for the animal, and particular breed and size especially as regards dosage, at the time of the event.


Well, i hope that's a good first draft. I didn't really know how to write such an act. So I hope it's good enough for a starter. Please criticise thoroughly if there are faults. Which I presume there are.

Great work, thanks for doing this Senator. Above is my proofread/redraft. Sorry if there has been a new draft since this - I will try to synthesize them.

I'd also like to ask if you're willing to add community service for 5th degree, as there is an element of intentionality, and further if you are open to stiffer penalties for 3rd and 5th degree abuses generally.

Actually, i fully agree with this above thing. Perhaps community service for the lower offenses along with money is the best?
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I've prepared two separate organizations (one intelligence, one security) that operate separately, though both have access to the other's data. The first (NIC) reports to the President & Senate, while the second (CIC) reports to the military & senate. The civilian org. is more aimed at combating organized crime, domestic terrorism and counterintelligence, while the military org. is designed to combat more foreign threats and will not combat organized crime.

NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE COMMISSION ESTABLISHMENT ACT
*****
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
To defend the Aurentine people with a new intelligence community

RECOGNIZING the plethora of threats that a modern nation is subject to, including such dangers as terrorism, transnational organized crime and hostile nations

ACKNOLEDGING the failure of the President’s administration and the senate to create an organization capable if investigating and mitigating these threats

RESOLVED that the Aurentine people will not be subject to “unknown” threats without adequate defense and preparation

ESTABLISHES the National Intelligence Commission (NIC) for the gathering, interpretation and report of information not readily available to Aurentine authorities.

DELEGATES authority to manage the NIC to a Director of National Intelligence, who, having been duly selected by the Minister of Defense, will be given authority to determine how/when/where threats are to be investigated by the NIC.

ALLOWS the Director of National Intelligence to appoint inferior managers to report directly to himself under the style of “Chief Agent” in order to better manage the NIC.

ESTABLISHES the Senate Intelligence Committee (SIC) as an oversight committee to which the NIC will submit an annual report detailing (i) a list of suspected threats, (b) current operations, (c) recent developments in ongoing operations and (b) new Chief Agents.

DELEGATES authority to manage what the NIC considers to be a “threat” to the SIC and to confirm or deny new Chief Agents

CHARGES the NIC to evaluate potential threats to the Aurentine people by (i) commissioning “agents” to gather data on suspected threats, (ii) collecting and interpreting public data concerning threats and (iii) infiltrating threatening organizations for the gathering of data and sabotage of said threats.

CREATES the federal position of Commissioned Investigative Agent of the Commonwealth, which will be empowered to (i) access all data regarding threats to the commonwealth possessed by the state, (ii) create aliases when investigating threats, (iii) falsify records for the duration of an investigation, (iv) refuse to pay taxes for the duration of an investigation, (v) use non-lethal force to extricate information during investigations and (vi) use lethal force to avoid capture or death by threats.

CREATES the federal position of Commissioned Analytical Agent of the Commonwealth, which will be empowered to access all data regarding threats to the commonwealth possessed by the state in order to prepare briefs for the Director of National Intelligence.

CREATES the federal position of Commissioned Armed Agent of the Commonwealth which will be empowered to (i) use all necessary force to immediately combat clear and present dangers to the Aurentine public, (ii) use all necessary force to disband/arrest/detain participants in organized crime and (iii) use lethal force to avoid capture or death by threats, when ordered by a superior Agent.

DEFINES the following terms to be used by the NIC in all operations,
(i) “Threat/Threatening Org.” will be defined as any foreign or transnational organization or person that poses the widespread possibility of danger to the Aurentine people, the Aurentine government, state property and/or private property which would be manifest in (a) illegal operations, (b) use of state force/invasion/sedition by a foreign power or (c) terrorist attacks.

(ii) “Commissioned Agent” will be defined as a person who has been officially commissioned as an agent by the NIC, who not have been a (a) felon, (b) foreign national in 10 years prior to the commission, (c) a suspected threat.

DISALLOWS the interpretation of this bill to grant any powers to the NIC, SIC, Commissioned Agents or the Director of National Intelligence not expressly enumerated within this act


CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE COMMAND ESTABLISHMENT ACT
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A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
To enable the Aurentine Armed Forces with a new intelligence community

RECOGNIZING the plethora of threats that a modern nation is subject to, including such dangers as terrorism, transnational organized crime and hostile nations

ACKNOLEDGING the failure of the President’s administration and the senate to create an organization capable if investigating and mitigating these threats

RESOLVED that the Aurentine people will not be subject to “unknown” threats without adequate defense and preparation

ESTABLISHES the Central Intelligence Command (CIC) for the gathering, interpretation and report of information not readily available to Aurentine authorities.

DELEGATES authority to manage the CIC to a Director of Military Intelligence, who, having been duly selected by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will be given authority to determine how/when/where threats are to be investigated by the CIC.

ALLOWS the Director of National Intelligence to promote inferior officer to report directly to himself in order to better manage the CIC.

ESTABLISHES the Senate Intelligence Committee (SIC) as an oversight committee to which the CIC will submit an annual report detailing (i) a list of suspected threats, (b) current operations, (c) recent developments in ongoing operations and (b) promotions of officers within the CIC.

DELEGATES authority to manage what the CIC considers to be a “threat” to the SIC and to confirm or deny new internal promotions.

CHARGES the CIC to evaluate potential threats to the Aurentine people by (i) commissioning “intelligence officers” to gather data on suspected threats, (ii) collecting and interpreting public data concerning threats and (iii) infiltrating threatening organizations for the gathering of data and sabotage of said threats.

CREATES the federal position of Commissioned Intelligence Office of the Commonwealth, which will be empowered to (i) access all data regarding threats to the commonwealth possessed by the state, (ii) create aliases when investigating threats, (iii) falsify records for the duration of an investigation, (iv) refuse to pay taxes for the duration of an investigation, (v) use non-lethal force to extricate information during investigations and (vi) use lethal force to avoid capture or death by threats.

CREATES the federal position of Commissioned Analytical Officer of the Commonwealth, which will be empowered to access all data regarding threats to the commonwealth possessed by the state.

CREATES the federal position of Commissioned Armed Intelligence Officer of the Commonwealth which will be empowered to (i) use all necessary force to immediately combat clear and present dangers to the Aurentine public, (ii) use all necessary force to disband/arrest/detain participants in organized crime and (iii) use lethal force to avoid capture or death by threats, when ordered by a superior officer.

DEFINES the following terms to be used by the CIC in all operations,
(i) “Threat/Threatening Org.” will be defined as any foreign or transnational organization or person that poses the widespread possibility of danger to the Aurentine people, the Aurentine government, state property and/or private property which would be manifest in (a) use of state force/invasion/sedition by a foreign power or (b) terrorist attacks.
(ii) “Intelligence Officer” will be defined as a person who has been officially commissioned as an officer by the CIC, who not have been a (a) felon, (b) foreign national in 10 years prior to the commission, (c) a suspected threat.


DISALLOWS the interpretation of this bill to grant any powers to the CIC, SIC, Intelligence Officers or the Director of Military Intelligence not expressly enumerated within this act


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Free South Califas wrote:
Liberated Counties and FSC wrote:
ANIMAL PROTECTION ACT


Drafted by: Liberated Counties [CFE]
Sponsors:

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNISES That animals have the right to be protected by the Law.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as Inflicting harm or suffering upon any animal for reasons other than self defence.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the harm, death or suffering of an Animal.


Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

Once a person is caught or proven to to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organised between police and court. If deemed guilty by the the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed. 6th degree Animal abuse will not be considered a criminal offence, and is not a matter of the judiciary system.

2a): Sentences

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £90-110 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £70-90 monetary fine and/or 1-4 month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £50-70 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £30-50 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

If an animal is deemed by local authorities to in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry; however, police may be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local judiciary or animal-related authorities at their discretion, enabling police and workers with police-generated passes to perform specific animal-related tasks on such property regardless of consent, as necessary to prevent abuse, end abuse, provide needed care, for sanitary purposes, or to corral or remove the animal for those listed purposes, or in order to determine if such action is needed. During the rescue operation, police must operate with restraint, causing as little damage to property, persons or other animals as possible.

Police authorities are strongly encouraged to train a proportional number of their staff to be aware of these responsibilities in general and/or as regards particular animals of interest, and also to cultivate active relationships with diverse animal experts who can be reached on an emergency basis.

Section 4: Medicinary

A qualified Veterinarian is not considered to have committed abuse in cases where they preform procedures on an animal in the best interest of the animal's health, so long as anaesthetic has been properly applied as regards procedures which may cause severe suffering will require anaesthetic. Owners without veterinary qualifications are also not to be considered as having committed abuse toward an animal for whom they are the primary caretaker if they are applying prescribed treatments or medicines, or performing procedures thought by medical consensus to be safe for the animal, and particular breed and size especially as regards dosage, at the time of the event.


Well, i hope that's a good first draft. I didn't really know how to write such an act. So I hope it's good enough for a starter. Please criticise thoroughly if there are faults. Which I presume there are.

Great work, thanks for doing this Senator. Above is my proofread/redraft. Sorry if there has been a new draft since this - I will try to synthesize them.

I'd also like to ask if you're willing to add community service for 5th degree, as there is an element of intentionality, and further if you are open to stiffer penalties for 3rd and 5th degree abuses generally.


We've added an experiment section. It deems experimentation legal when considered beneficial. Read the act and see if you'd like to add anything to it. And I think the fines could go up abit more, the minimum fine could've been £200 come to think of it,
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:43 pm

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What do you think I should put?

Inserting a clause saying roughly: Expirimentation on animals, for medical and scientific purposes, is legal in this nation.
No, it's not necessary to broadly legalize experimentation. That's for a separate bill, and would lose my support for this one BTW. If we want painful experimentation on animals to be legal (and I don't think you necessarily represent the whole Senate on this, as perhaps neither do I), we just need a clause that says:
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Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or prohibiting animal experimentation.
I'd prefer the following:
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Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or prohibiting animal experimentation, although researchers are strongly urged to prevent needless pain and suffering through voluntary means.
Ideally, I'd like the separate bill to ban (at least) animal experimentation which could cause pain and suffering, but that's a topic for another day.

For the fly problem:
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Nothing in this bill shall be interpreted as criminalizing or punishing the act of protecting an individual or shared food supply by killing or attempting to kill bugs, or kill creatures or disable objects which appear similar and threaten the safety or integrity of such food.
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