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[Regnum Dominae]

I'd rather any legislation regarding drugs be focused not on restricting their use but on establishing programs to help people who suffer from addiction. Addiction needs to be treated as a public health problem rather than a criminal problem.

This, this, this, this, this!

Only for the hard drugs though. Use of drugs like marijuana, LSD, and magic mushrooms shouldn't be treated as a problem at all.

[Byzantium Imperial]

I'd rather any legislation regarding drugs be focused not on restricting their use but on establishing programs to help people who suffer from addiction. Addiction needs to be treated as a public health problem rather than a criminal problem.

This, this, this, this, this!

Only for the hard drugs though. Use of drugs like marijuana, LSD, and magic mushrooms shouldn't be treated as a problem at all.

There is no prison time for hard drug users, only rehab, and marijuana and similar soft drugs are fully legal

[Regnum Dominae]

This, this, this, this, this!

Only for the hard drugs though. Use of drugs like marijuana, LSD, and magic mushrooms shouldn't be treated as a problem at all.

There is no prison time for hard drug users, only rehab, and marijuana and similar soft drugs are fully legal

They are banned, there is a 5k fine, and there are prison sentences for production.

[Byzantium Imperial]

There is no prison time for hard drug users, only rehab, and marijuana and similar soft drugs are fully legal

They are banned, there is a 5k fine, and there are prison sentences for production.

A maximum 5k fine (it will almost never be that high)
As for production, you can get a production license.

[Regnum Dominae]

They are banned, there is a 5k fine, and there are prison sentences for production.

A maximum 5k fine (it will almost never be that high)
As for production, you can get a production license.

There should be no fines.

And rehab should not be mandatory.

[Potenco]

I'd rather any legislation regarding drugs be focused not on restricting their use but on establishing programs to help people who suffer from addiction. Addiction needs to be treated as a public health problem rather than a criminal problem.

This, this, this, this, this!

Only for the hard drugs though. Use of drugs like marijuana, LSD, and magic mushrooms shouldn't be treated as a problem at all.

There should be major, draconian punishments though for those who produce or distribute hard drugs, especially those that maintain meth labs.

[Byzantium Imperial]

A maximum 5k fine (it will almost never be that high)
As for production, you can get a production license.

There should be no fines.

And rehab should not be mandatory.

If you can waste money on hard core drugs then you can surely make some room for fines.

And non mandatory rehab? Why should we be letting people get high off these dangerous substances anyway? What possible reason could you have to let people to destroy their own health, contributing to rising healthcare costs, by purchasin drugs that can only produced in areas controlled by the taliban or murderous drug cartels, just so they can get high? There is no right to ruin yourself with heroin because it directly contributes to many other problems with our society.

The very least we can do to help these people is to teach them that hard drug use is awful and get them off their lazy asses and maybe be productive and useful to society. We should not encourage hard drug ussage, it is intolerable, and as such even 1 usage of a hard drug is warranting enough for mandatory rehab. You got to get them off the substance before the addiction starts anyway.

[The Zeonic States]

This, this, this, this, this!

Only for the hard drugs though. Use of drugs like marijuana, LSD, and magic mushrooms shouldn't be treated as a problem at all.

There is no prison time for hard drug users, only rehab, and marijuana and similar soft drugs are fully legal

Disgusting such people crippled with Addiction should be put into service for the State.

...But that measure would never pass; If this does pass and regulates and creates the needed programs to tax and legalize such items then so be it.

[Potenco]

Seriously, why are people taking heroin, cocaine and meth so lightly. These drugs should be banned, and their distributors should face major punishments. As for users, they should be granted a choice between prison or rehab.

With drugs like crack, its not an issue of individual rights. People on these drugs are a threat to others and due to their extremly harmful health affects are a major burden on the health care system.

[The Zeonic States]

Seriously, why are people taking heroin, cocaine and meth so lightly. These drugs should be banned, and their distributors should face major punishments. As for users, they should be granted a choice between prison or rehab.

With drugs like crack, its not an issue of individual rights. People on these drugs are a threat to others and due to their extremly harmful health affects are a major burden on the health care system.

A Man in Plano Texas was shot seventeen times while on LSD and only died due to blood loss; While he was on his Feet during the Middle of Bank Robbery.

I honestly think such chemicals are a threat to both the common good and society.

[Potenco]

Seriously, why are people taking heroin, cocaine and meth so lightly. These drugs should be banned, and their distributors should face major punishments. As for users, they should be granted a choice between prison or rehab.

With drugs like crack, its not an issue of individual rights. People on these drugs are a threat to others and due to their extremly harmful health affects are a major burden on the health care system.

A Man in Plano Texas was shot seventeen times while on LSD and only died due to blood loss; While he was on his Feet during the Middle of Bank Robbery.

I honestly think such chemicals are a threat to both the common good and society.

Seriously we need to think beyond the "its my body and ill do what I want with it" argument

Legalized marijuana and nothing more!

Very mild punishments for hallucinogens (50$ fine), mandatory rehab/prison for hard drugs and minimum ten year sentence for distribution of hard drugs.

[Lemanrussland]

A Man in Plano Texas was shot seventeen times while on LSD and only died due to blood loss; While he was on his Feet during the Middle of Bank Robbery.

I honestly think such chemicals are a threat to both the common good and society.

Seriously we need to think beyond the "its my body and ill do what I want with it" argument

Legalized marijuana and nothing more!

Very mild punishments for hallucinogens (50$ fine), mandatory rehab/prison for hard drugs and minimum ten year sentence for distribution of hard drugs.

There's no evidence for making drugs illegal reducing their use in any meaningful way. Furthermore, making them illegal only increases their cost, and directs profits from their sale to criminal organizations, which increases the negative effects of drug use and increases crime.

The real answer to this problem, the problem of people becoming dependent on drugs, becoming broke, and then resorting to criminal activity to fund their habits, is to levy taxes on these drugs.

The money can be used to put more police on the streets, who can actually reduce the crime rate in a real way, and to set up programs in order to rehabilitate drug users. Simply making them illegal and cracking down on their use exacerbates the problem, and costs loads of money.

Focus on punishing actual criminal activity, not the drug use itself. The medical problems can be alleviated with government assistance programs, paid for by taxes on drugs.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Seriously we need to think beyond the "its my body and ill do what I want with it" argument

Legalized marijuana and nothing more!

Very mild punishments for hallucinogens (50$ fine), mandatory rehab/prison for hard drugs and minimum ten year sentence for distribution of hard drugs.

There's no evidence for making drugs illegal reducing their use. Furthermore, making them illegal only increases their cost, and directs profits from their sale to criminal organizations, which increases the negative effects of drug use and increases crime.

The real answer to this problem, the problem of people becoming dependent on drugs, becoming broke, and then resorting to criminal activity to fund their habits, is to levy taxes on these drugs.

The money can be used to put more police on the streets, who can actually reduce the crime rate in a real way, and to set up programs in order to rehabilitate drug users. Simply making them illegal and cracking down on their use exacerbates the problem, and costs loads of money.

The fines will pay for themselves and people who get high on hard drugs will very quickly either be broke or very quickly rehabbed. The problem with the war on drugs is we lock em up, but no rehab. My bill makes hard drug rehab mandatory, so we can stop addiction early.

The crime problem will be reduced due to marijuana being legal. In any case, crime will always accompany heroin and cocaine. As they can only be made illegally (unless you propose dealing with terrorists), and they drive people into crime, we are best off getting rid of it

People who want to get high still can, but not with hard drugs

[Potenco]

Like I said, we need to focus on rehabilitation for addicts, but this rehab must be enforced with a rule that says "either your getting off of this dope or your going to jail"

As for hallucinogens, I dont see them as particularly harmful, but they are a detriment to society and should not be encouraged by legalisation. We should instead levy minor fines on those caught possesing or selling these drugs.

As for dealing or producing hard drugs, no we should not legitiamize a business that prays on the despair, misery and evil of the drug trade. By focusing efforts on those importing and producing the drugs and providing a strong negative incentive against it, we can cripple the drug trade.

[Lemanrussland]

There's no evidence for making drugs illegal reducing their use. Furthermore, making them illegal only increases their cost, and directs profits from their sale to criminal organizations, which increases the negative effects of drug use and increases crime.

The real answer to this problem, the problem of people becoming dependent on drugs, becoming broke, and then resorting to criminal activity to fund their habits, is to levy taxes on these drugs.

The money can be used to put more police on the streets, who can actually reduce the crime rate in a real way, and to set up programs in order to rehabilitate drug users. Simply making them illegal and cracking down on their use exacerbates the problem, and costs loads of money.

The fines will pay for themselves and people who get high on hard drugs will very quickly either be broke or very quickly rehabbed. The problem with the war on drugs is we lock em up, but no rehab. My bill makes hard drug rehab mandatory, so we can stop addiction early.

The crime problem will be reduced due to marijuana being legal. In any case, crime will always accompany heroin and cocaine. As they can only be made illegally (unless you propose dealing with terrorists), and they drive people into crime, we are best off getting rid of it

People who want to get high still can, but not with hard drugs

If we legalize the production and use of drugs, that problem goes away completely. Drugs which are made illegally in other nations (along with legal drugs here) can be barred from entering or leaving our borders, for the sake of solidarity with our neighbors.

Keeping them legal, regulating them, and taxing them is a far better solution to trying to arrest everyone involved with them. Prohibition-style drug control doesn't work. The Drug War in the US has been a miserable failure, all it's produced are multi-billion dollar drug cartels, along with all the trouble (read: thousands of murders, and a border-line civil war in some places in Mexico) they've brought both to the US and it's neighbors, and expensive prisons full of drug offenders.

The blood of all of these people are on the hands of policy makers.

[Byzantium Imperial]

The fines will pay for themselves and people who get high on hard drugs will very quickly either be broke or very quickly rehabbed. The problem with the war on drugs is we lock em up, but no rehab. My bill makes hard drug rehab mandatory, so we can stop addiction early.

The crime problem will be reduced due to marijuana being legal. In any case, crime will always accompany heroin and cocaine. As they can only be made illegally (unless you propose dealing with terrorists), and they drive people into crime, we are best off getting rid of it

People who want to get high still can, but not with hard drugs

If we legalize the production and use of drugs, that problem goes away completely.

Keeping them legal, regulating them, and taxing them is a far better solution to trying to arrest everyone involved with them. Prohibition-style drug control doesn't work. The Drug War in the US has been a miserable failure, all it's produced are multi-billion dollar drug cartels, along with all the trouble (read: thousands of murders, and a border-line civil war in some places in Mexico) they've brought both to the US and it's neighbors, and expensive prisons full of drug offenders.

The blood of all of these people are on the hands of policy makers.

Your missing a basic fact about cocaine and heroin: THEY CAN NOT BE PRODUCED HERE.
Cocaine can only be produced in tropical jungles. Specifically highland junges with just the right climate and foliage. Aka south american cartel infested jungles. You c an only get it from them or orther cartels
Heroin Poppies are very hard to plant, and few places in the world can support it. Almost all heroin is produced in Afghanistan, and some in pakistan. That covers almost all global heroim production. Terrorists, specifically the taliban, have a monopoly on this. Therefore most heroin in the world funds jihad.

Meth can be produced anywhere, but you have serious problems if you are doing battery acid and anti freeze mixed with cold medicine.

You are killing people world wide by allowing this. Further these drugs drive people to criminal acts when high. Our peoples blood and people world wide are on your hands

[Ainin]

If we legalize the production and use of drugs, that problem goes away completely.

Keeping them legal, regulating them, and taxing them is a far better solution to trying to arrest everyone involved with them. Prohibition-style drug control doesn't work. The Drug War in the US has been a miserable failure, all it's produced are multi-billion dollar drug cartels, along with all the trouble (read: thousands of murders, and a border-line civil war in some places in Mexico) they've brought both to the US and it's neighbors, and expensive prisons full of drug offenders.

The blood of all of these people are on the hands of policy makers.

Terrorists, specifically the taliban, have a monopoly on this. Therefore most heroin in the world funds jihad.

Composition/division, nice.

You are killing people world wide by allowing this.

Cool appeal to emotion bro.

[Lemanrussland]

If we legalize the production and use of drugs, that problem goes away completely.

Keeping them legal, regulating them, and taxing them is a far better solution to trying to arrest everyone involved with them. Prohibition-style drug control doesn't work. The Drug War in the US has been a miserable failure, all it's produced are multi-billion dollar drug cartels, along with all the trouble (read: thousands of murders, and a border-line civil war in some places in Mexico) they've brought both to the US and it's neighbors, and expensive prisons full of drug offenders.

The blood of all of these people are on the hands of policy makers.

Your missing a basic fact about cocaine and heroin: THEY CAN NOT BE PRODUCED HERE.
Cocaine can only be produced in tropical jungles. Specifically highland junges with just the right climate and foliage. Aka south american cartel infested jungles. You c an only get it from them or orther cartels
Heroin Poppies are very hard to plant, and few places in the world can support it. Almost all heroin is produced in Afghanistan, and some in pakistan. That covers almost all global heroim production. Terrorists, specifically the taliban, have a monopoly on this. Therefore most heroin in the world funds jihad.

You are killing people world wide by allowing this. Further these drugs drive people to criminal acts when high. Our peoples blood and people world wide are on your hands

The plants can be grown in greenhouses if you really wanted to make them here.

I already purposed import-export restrictions on drugs which are widely illegal elsewhere, only to retain solidarity and good will with our neighbors (ideally, this will be a temporary measure). The worst thing we can do is bring the failed international Drug War (led by the US) into our country.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Your missing a basic fact about cocaine and heroin: THEY CAN NOT BE PRODUCED HERE.
Cocaine can only be produced in tropical jungles. Specifically highland junges with just the right climate and foliage. Aka south american cartel infested jungles. You c an only get it from them or orther cartels
Heroin Poppies are very hard to plant, and few places in the world can support it. Almost all heroin is produced in Afghanistan, and some in pakistan. That covers almost all global heroim production. Terrorists, specifically the taliban, have a monopoly on this. Therefore most heroin in the world funds jihad.

You are killing people world wide by allowing this. Further these drugs drive people to criminal acts when high. Our peoples blood and people world wide are on your hands

They can be grown in greenhouses if you really wanted to make them here.

I already purposed import-export restrictions on drugs which are widely illegal elsewhere, only to retain solidarity and good will with our neighbors. The worst thing we can do is bring the failed international Drug War (led by the US) into our country.

The war on drugs involves us invading places to destroy this and locking drug users in jail. Thats a terrible idea


Whats not a bad idea is rehabbing hard drug users before they get addicted so they wont damage their health too much, their productivity as citizens, or before it becomes near hopeless to rehab them.
Surely thats worth the effort

By the way, has it yet occured to you that if it was possible to efficiently produce poppies and coca leaves in greehouse, that cartels and terrorists would have tried that by now?

[Potenco]

I'd rather any legislation regarding drugs be focused not on restricting their use but on establishing programs to help people who suffer from addiction. Addiction needs to be treated as a public health problem rather than a criminal problem.

This, this, this, this, this!

Only for the hard drugs though. Use of drugs like marijuana, LSD, and magic mushrooms shouldn't be treated as a problem at all.

Hahaha regnum I love what you did with your profile pic. Beleive me, you are a true, obnoxious capitalist. Hippo is a veritable corparatist and a borderline fascist

We should treat drug use as a public health issue, but distribution should be treated as a criminal issue

[Lemanrussland]

They can be grown in greenhouses if you really wanted to make them here.

I already purposed import-export restrictions on drugs which are widely illegal elsewhere, only to retain solidarity and good will with our neighbors. The worst thing we can do is bring the failed international Drug War (led by the US) into our country.

The war on drugs involves us invading places to destroy this and locking drug users in jail. Thats a terrible idea


Whats not a bad idea is rehabbing hard drug users before they get addicted so they wont damage their health too much, their productivity as citizens, or before it becomes near hopeless to rehab them.
Surely thats worth the effort

By the way, has it yet occured to you that if it was possible to efficiently produce poppies and coca leaves in greehouse, that cartels and terrorists would have tried that by now?

Somniferous poppies and coca plants can be produced in greenhouses, many home growers and small scale dealers do this already, here in the US.

Yields for opium from greenhouses are around 1 sq m = ~.75g opium

[Byzantium Imperial]

The war on drugs involves us invading places to destroy this and locking drug users in jail. Thats a terrible idea


Whats not a bad idea is rehabbing hard drug users before they get addicted so they wont damage their health too much, their productivity as citizens, or before it becomes near hopeless to rehab them.
Surely thats worth the effort

By the way, has it yet occured to you that if it was possible to efficiently produce poppies and coca leaves in greehouse, that cartels and terrorists would have tried that by now?

Somniferous poppies and coca plants can be produced in greenhouses, many home growers and small scale dealers do this already, here in the US.

Yields for opium from greenhouses are around 1 sq m = ~.75g opium

1sq mile for less then a gram? As i said, horribly inefficient. It would be a massive profit loss for us. Not counting the cops and public health problems, lost productivity, broken families.

Not worth it

[Ainin]

Somniferous poppies and coca plants can be produced in greenhouses, many home growers and small scale dealers do this already, here in the US.

Yields for opium from greenhouses are around 1 sq m = ~.75g opium

1sq mile for less then a gram? As i said, horribly inefficient. It would be a massive profit loss for us. Not counting the cops and public health problems, lost productivity, broken families.

Not worth it

m stands for metre.

mi is mile.

[Lemanrussland]

I meant meters, just to be clear.

[Byzantium Imperial]

1sq mile for less then a gram? As i said, horribly inefficient. It would be a massive profit loss for us. Not counting the cops and public health problems, lost productivity, broken families.

Not worth it

m stands for metre.

mi is mile.

That is quite efficient then. Thank you for that correction

In any case, broken families, lost productivity, and of coarse the health costs negate any money we will make off this system.

Which leaves you with the moral issue: is it better to have choice, or is it better to not deprive kids of parents or future oppurtunities. The choice between cheap high and life?
Its obvious really what the right choice here is. No to hard drugs