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[The Orson Empire]

That does not mean they should be granted rights. None of them are as intelligent as Humans are. Humans shall be supreme. Everything else gets nothing.

Yeah, lets just shoot up all the baby sea lions and apes! They are not as smart as we are so why should we care about them!

Exactly! Fuck them! They can stay in the wild, while we Humans reign supreme.

[Finium]

That does not mean they should be granted rights. None of them are as intelligent as Humans are. Humans shall be supreme. Everything else gets nothing.

And just because humans are smart also doesn't mean that we should be granted rights either. Intelligence means absolutely nothing. Some humans aren't very bright. Should they mean that they have no rights whatsoever?

And no, I was not "missing the point". Your ideas that humans shall reign supreme is absolutely and utterly moronic.

The reasons humans have rights is because we can respect the rights of others, which is also why rights certain rights are taken away from criminals. The rights-based society cannot function if animals are included because they have no concept of rights.

Now, should animals be protected, yes certainly. But they are protected only by our willingness to do so, not because they deserve it.

[New Zepuha]

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[The Orson Empire]

That does not mean they should be granted rights. None of them are as intelligent as Humans are. Humans shall be supreme. Everything else gets nothing.

And just because humans are smart also doesn't mean that we should be granted rights either. Intelligence means absolutely nothing. Some humans aren't very bright. Should they mean that they have no rights whatsoever?

And no, I was not "missing the point". Your ideas that humans shall reign supreme is absolutely and utterly moronic.

Well, think about it. We are supreme.

[Gothmogs]

Yeah, lets just shoot up all the baby sea lions and apes! They are not as smart as we are so why should we care about them!

Exactly! Fuck them! They can stay in the wild, while we Humans reign supreme.

I was being sarcastic...

[Finium]

Rights =/= protections

just something to keep in mind while debating.

[New Zepuha]

Yeah, lets just shoot up all the baby sea lions and apes! They are not as smart as we are so why should we care about them!

Exactly! Fuck them! They can stay in the wild, while we Humans reign supreme.

Senator! May I ask you to calm your voice and still thy rebuke for a second? Please clear your head and think, would you honestly waste such valuable resources.

[The Orson Empire]

Exactly! Fuck them! They can stay in the wild, while we Humans reign supreme.

Senator! May I ask you to calm your voice and still thy rebuke for a second? Please clear your head and think, would you honestly waste such valuable resources.

If anything, we're wasting valuable resources on protecting those sons of bitches!

[The Orson Empire]

Exactly! Fuck them! They can stay in the wild, while we Humans reign supreme.

I was being sarcastic...

OOC: I know, my senator just doesn't care

[New Zepuha]

Senator! May I ask you to calm your voice and still thy rebuke for a second? Please clear your head and think, would you honestly waste such valuable resources.

If anything, we're wasting valuable resources on protecting those sons of bitches!

Senator, can you please refrain from profanities? If we do not protect our resources we run the risk of destroying them and never having them again. What then when you can't have a hearty steak? Or fresh eggs for breakfast?

[Ainin]

Any more takers?

I support this, except the temperature. Celsius should be included with Kelvin.

Read it slowly again. The degree centigrade is included.

[The Orson Empire]

If anything, we're wasting valuable resources on protecting those sons of bitches!

Senator, can you please refrain from profanities? If we do not protect our resources we run the risk of destroying them and never having them again. What then when you can't have a hearty steak? Or fresh eggs for breakfast?

Well then, maybe a company could form which breeds animals, which can then provide a steady food source. Plus, we can always trade with other nations. I'm even willing to make a law banning poaching! But instead, you want to pass all this mumbo jumbo which wastes valuable national resources on protecting those useless assholes that do nothing but shit, piss, and make annoying noises!

[The Orson Empire]

I support this, except the temperature. Celsius should be included with Kelvin.

Read it slowly again. The degree centigrade is included.

Ahh, alright then. Thank you Senator.

[Finium]

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

[Costa Alegria]

Well, think about it. We are supreme.

I don't care if we are supreme or not. That doesn't give us a right to do around starving and beating and generally abusing animals. You wouldn't do that to your next door neighbour so why would you do that to your dog?

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

No. There's nothing there that prevents humans from consuming animal meat but it prevents these animals from being mistreated and abused by the likes of Orson and co.

[New Zepuha]

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

Yes, I never realized until no how complicated and touchy of a subject this was. I propose we postpone legislation on this matter until clear guidelines can be set.

[Free South Califas]

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

Probably not, because that's not even close to an accurate summary. Your opposition, which as far as I can tell is ignorant of evolutionary science and agreements of philosophy, or reached bizarre conclusions from a half-understanding of a few mismatched studies, has been given all due consideration. I dismiss it as ideological pablum, and ask you to reconsider your method of arriving at facts.

[Gothmogs]

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

Yes, I never realized until no how complicated and touchy of a subject this was. I propose we postpone legislation on this matter until clear guidelines can be set.

I second this.

[Geilinor]

Senator! May I ask you to calm your voice and still thy rebuke for a second? Please clear your head and think, would you honestly waste such valuable resources.

If anything, we're wasting valuable resources on protecting those sons of bitches!

Have you ever bothered to study ecosystems? We can't just shoot them all dead.

[Geilinor]

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

It doesn't ban anyone from eating meat, it just bans people from torturing animals. If it's killed swiftly, feel free to eat it.

[Unicario]

Vehicular Safety Act
Proposed by: Senator von Hohenzollern (NIFP) | Sponsors:

The people of Aurentina are the primary concern of the Senate's interests, and we shall be invested in the right to create laws of the road that all drivers are expected to observe. With this, we write the Vehicular Safety Act.

All drivers in Aurentina must be holders of a vehicular drivers license, which they may receive starting at the age 16. They are required to hold a restricted learner's permit for at least 40 weeks before acquiring their drivers license, and must log at least a week's worth of driving to qualify, starting at age 15.

All drivers that hold British-issued driving permits shall be allowed to maintain their current permit.

All drivers are to wear safety belts at all times. Those violating such laws shall be fined for reckless endangerment.

All persons driving motorbikes are required to wear a helmet. Any violations of said law shall be fined for reckless driving and reckless endangerment.

Extra permits are required to operate vehicles larger than a conventional four-wheel vehicle.

[Ainin]

Vehicular Safety Act
Proposed by: Senator von Hohenzollern (NIFP) | Sponsors:

The people of Aurentina are the primary concern of the Senate's interests, and we shall be invested in the right to create laws of the road that all drivers are expected to observe. With this, we write the Vehicular Safety Act.

All drivers in Aurentina must be holders of a vehicular drivers license, which they may receive starting at the age 16. They are required to hold a restricted learner's permit for at least 40 weeks before acquiring their drivers license, and must log at least a week's worth of driving to qualify, starting at age 15.

All drivers that hold British-issued driving permits shall be allowed to maintain their current permit.

All drivers are to wear safety belts at all times. Those violating such laws shall be fined for reckless endangerment.

All persons driving motorbikes are required to wear a helmet. Any violations of said law shall be fined for reckless driving and reckless endangerment.

Extra permits are required to operate vehicles larger than a conventional four-wheel vehicle.

How about making license categories?

D3: Roadfaring Scooter
D2: Motorcycle
D1: Small vehicle

C3: Small truck
C2: Minibus
C1: Ambulance

B3: Truck
B2: Fire Truck
B1: Bus

A1: Police cruiser

[Finium]

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

It doesn't ban anyone from eating meat, it just bans people from torturing animals. If it's killed swiftly, feel free to eat it.

The bill doesn't say that, it just makes killing animals illegal, swiftly or otherwise.

EDIT; the exact words criminalize "Intentionally causing the death of an Animal", whether or not it is being killed for food.

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

Probably not, because that's not even close to an accurate summary. Your opposition, which as far as I can tell is ignorant of evolutionary science and agreements of philosophy, or reached bizarre conclusions from a half-understanding of a few mismatched studies, has been given all due consideration. I dismiss it as ideological pablum, and ask you to reconsider your method of arriving at facts.

My opposition is based on the social contract, something I find most people are ignorant of. So Mr. "half-understanding" please tell me where animals fit into the social contract.

Is anyone else concerned that the government would be effectively enforcing vegetarianism?

Yes, I never realized until no how complicated and touchy of a subject this was. I propose we postpone legislation on this matter until clear guidelines can be set.

I agree, the current bill is too unclear in the difference between killing for abuse and consumption.

[Byzantium Imperial]

God dam i went offline just when we started about hunting and meat? Dammit

[Finium]

God dam i went offline just when we started about hunting and meat? Dammit

Well-intentioned but ill presented animal protections.