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Postby Thafoo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:46 pm

Othelos wrote:1.5 hours left guys.

I'm so excited, the bill that I drafted is being passed ;v;

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Postby Othelos » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:55 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Othelos wrote:1.5 hours left guys.

I'm so excited, the bill that I drafted is being passed ;v;

That you drafted? We helped out quite a bit, don't take all the credit.

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Postby Thafoo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:58 pm

Othelos wrote:
Thafoo wrote:I'm so excited, the bill that I drafted is being passed ;v;

That you drafted? We helped out quite a bit, don't take all the credit.

I'm a selfish idiot :p I'll add the co authors after it has passed.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:00 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Othelos wrote:That you drafted? We helped out quite a bit, don't take all the credit.

I'm a selfish idiot :p I'll add the co authors after it has passed.

We're still waiting for the constitution's time limit to pass right?

I can't wait for this to get over, so me and Nap can present our respective proposals.
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Postby Thafoo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:00 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Thafoo wrote:I'm a selfish idiot :p I'll add the co authors after it has passed.

We're still waiting for the constitution's time limit to pass right?

I can't wait for this to get over, so me and Nap can present our respective proposals.

It passes in exactly one hour.

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Postby Othelos » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:29 pm

30 minutes!

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Postby Thafoo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:09 pm

The constitution has now been passed.

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Postby Bolaly » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:12 pm

Congratulations Gentlemen!
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Postby Polvia » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:20 pm

Excellent work my Honorable fellow Senators. May this proposal be the first of many more to come.
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Postby Chetssaland » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:23 pm

Congrats everyone (even though I voted against it).

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Postby Denecaep » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:28 pm

The Constitution of the New Senate has been passed, and has been placed in the OP. When I have the time, I will fix the OP instructions to reflect the constitution.

We are in line to debate the next legislation submitted to me.

Proposal IV
Senate Ethics Act of 2013
Sponsors: Bolaly
Signatories:

RECOGNIZING the amount of bickering that has been taking place in the NSG Senate over political parties,
APPALLED by the actions of Senators who continued with said bickering instead of acting like gentlemen,
TO ENSURE that all Senators are treated with respect within the Senate Chambers and other official NSG Senate threads,
The NSG Senate hereby enacts the following,
(1) Senators are prohibited from slandering each other. Any instance of slander will result in the perpetrating Senator receiving a warning.
(a) Defines Slander as defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing or pictures.
(a) Once a Senator has been warned for slander twice, he/she may face suspension of senatorial service for a period of time which is
determined by the appropriate Senate administrators.
(2) Senators, while on the Senate floor must refer to other Senators by one of the following, Sir/Madam, Honorable Senator, or Senator.
(a) Failure to do so twice during a single debate will result in a warning, and any further punishment is up to the administrator’s discretion.
(3) All political party advertising must be done through telegram and is prohibited in any NSG Senate threads.
(a) Each political party will have their name and description of the party stated in the OP.
(4) Political Parties are prohibited from pressuring Senators to join a party.
(a) Any Senator who feels they have been pressured into joining a party should report this to the appropriate administrative staff.
(b) Any Party leader/member that pressures a Senator into joining a party will be given a punishment at the administrator’s discretion.


Keep in mind that given the new Constitution, it will take five people to bring this legislation to a vote. Debate may begin now, however.
Founding Senator Dene Caep of the NSG Senate

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:30 pm

Denecaep wrote:The Constitution of the New Senate has been passed, and has been placed in the OP. When I have the time, I will fix the OP instructions to reflect the constitution.

We are in line to debate the next legislation submitted to me.

Proposal IV
Senate Ethics Act of 2013
Sponsors: Bolaly
Signatories:

RECOGNIZING the amount of bickering that has been taking place in the NSG Senate over political parties,
APPALLED by the actions of Senators who continued with said bickering instead of acting like gentlemen,
TO ENSURE that all Senators are treated with respect within the Senate Chambers and other official NSG Senate threads,
The NSG Senate hereby enacts the following,
(1) Senators are prohibited from slandering each other. Any instance of slander will result in the perpetrating Senator receiving a warning.
(a) Defines Slander as defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing or pictures.
(a) Once a Senator has been warned for slander twice, he/she may face suspension of senatorial service for a period of time which is
determined by the appropriate Senate administrators.
(2) Senators, while on the Senate floor must refer to other Senators by one of the following, Sir/Madam, Honorable Senator, or Senator.
(a) Failure to do so twice during a single debate will result in a warning, and any further punishment is up to the administrator’s discretion.
(3) All political party advertising must be done through telegram and is prohibited in any NSG Senate threads.
(a) Each political party will have their name and description of the party stated in the OP.
(4) Political Parties are prohibited from pressuring Senators to join a party.
(a) Any Senator who feels they have been pressured into joining a party should report this to the appropriate administrative staff.
(b) Any Party leader/member that pressures a Senator into joining a party will be given a punishment at the administrator’s discretion.


Keep in mind that given the new Constitution, it will take five people to bring this legislation to a vote. Debate may begin now, however.

Oppose #2.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Chetssaland » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:31 pm

I believe section two is unnecessary, and causes more issues than it fixes.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:32 pm

Chetssaland wrote:I believe section two is unnecessary, and causes more issues than it fixes.

Seconded. However, I support the rest of the bill.
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Postby Thafoo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:34 pm

I am strongly against 2.

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Postby TaQud » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:35 pm

I'm against #2
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Postby Polvia » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:36 pm

I can say I disagree with the previous posts of the Honorable Senators in that I support 2, but I suppose I can refer to people as The Honorable/Right Honorable without it.

I'll support whatever decision is to be made on the nature of 2.
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Postby Chetssaland » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:36 pm

So it seems to be a consensus so far that section two must go, but the rest is good.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:37 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Denecaep wrote:The Constitution of the New Senate has been passed, and has been placed in the OP. When I have the time, I will fix the OP instructions to reflect the constitution.

We are in line to debate the next legislation submitted to me.



Keep in mind that given the new Constitution, it will take five people to bring this legislation to a vote. Debate may begin now, however.

Oppose #2.


^This.
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Postby Bolaly » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:37 pm

That is alright with me. Two can go.
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:38 pm

Chetssaland wrote:So it seems to be a consensus so far that section two must go, but the rest is good.


I'll second a motion to that effect
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:39 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:So it seems to be a consensus so far that section two must go, but the rest is good.


I'll second a motion to that effect

I move to eliminate section two of the proposed bill.
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Oneracon » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:42 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:I move to eliminate section two of the proposed bill.


Second (as promised).
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Postby Gaveo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:42 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
I'll second a motion to that effect

I move to eliminate section two of the proposed bill.

Agreed.

And as said by other senators lets drop sect. 2.
Bruh.

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Postby Manahakatouki » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:11 pm

I am not fully opposed to section two, only because of the reasoning to keep some form of accuracy to a relatively casual senate...

I myself do not agree to forms of punishment to not acknowleding the section, and seeing as I cannot think, or create a better way to word it, I do not support keeping the second section in, unless a better way of wording such a section can be done...
And so it was, that I had never changed.

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