NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Belhorizon]

Hmm. How about act of treason when government research was sabotaged. When private individuals are involved, then that charge is out, but the private individual could press charges for vandalism and manslaughter

In addition to the charges of vandalism to public property that the government could charge if it was partly involved in the research

Good...

So how about

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"
i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.
ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage
iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government


Emmanuel Bassil
Independent

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Hmm. How about act of treason when government research was sabotaged. When private individuals are involved, then that charge is out, but the private individual could press charges for vandalism and manslaughter

That would be good, but pressing manslaughter charges should come to the government
Let's say the person who died on that ship was an enemy of the owner, he can choose not to press charges.

Always think in that loophole, worst case scenario mentality.

Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

That's true. Wouldn't it be in the judgement of the prosecutor and the Court?

[Belhorizon]

That would be good, but pressing manslaughter charges should come to the government
Let's say the person who died on that ship was an enemy of the owner, he can choose not to press charges.

Always think in that loophole, worst case scenario mentality.

Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

That's true. Wouldn't it be in the judgement of the prosecutor and the Court?

The Government is the body that presses charges, not the court


Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

That's true. Wouldn't it be in the judgement of the prosecutor and the Court?

The Government is the body that presses charges, not the court


Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

Oops. Sorry. Then to the judgement of the Government?
In the case that a person destroyed the artifact in order to protect the research, because an enemy tried to steal it, then I guess that would be heroism, rather than a crime

[Belhorizon]

Exactly.
'Keep it fluid.

I typed a draft clause. I guess you overlooked it since we're still debating what was completed

In addition to the charges of vandalism to public property that the government could charge if it was partly involved in the research

Good...

So how about

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"
i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.
ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage
iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government


Emmanuel Bassil
Independent

Emphasis mine.


Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Exactly.
'Keep it fluid.

I typed a draft clause. I guess you overlooked it since we're still debating what was completed

Good...

So how about

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"
i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.
ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage
iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government


Emmanuel Bassil
Independent

Emphasis mine.


Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

Oops, yea, I didn't see that sorry (I am online from a phone right now)
Yea, that sounds good! How could we add that to the bill (if no one is against this)? Or do we have to re-do it again?

[Belhorizon]

I think the writer of the bill can add it to the bill itself.
However, I'd like to develop the bill a bit more.

Would the writer be so kind to re post the bill with the amendment (If you accept it of course )

EDIT: I TGed Ainin

Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I think the writer of the bill can add it to the bill itself.
However, I'd like to develop the bill a bit more.

Would the writer be so kind to re post the bill with the amendment (If you accept it of course )

EDIT: I TGed Ainin

Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

Yea. Of course we need to develop it more; some more debate and stuff

[Belhorizon]

We'll await Ainin's response before proceeding then.

I look forward to working with all of you. I love law writing

Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

[Razhtigr]

I would include Murder as a possible charge, if someone willfully sabatoges the spacecraft with the intent of destroying it, and takes actions that demonstrate pre-meditation that results in the death of anyone associated with the vehicle itself including astronauts and ground crew.

[Belhorizon]

I would include Murder as a possible charge, if someone willfully sabatoges the spacecraft with the intent of destroying it, and takes actions that demonstrate pre-meditation.

I think it would work as manslaughter, but for the sake of thoroughness

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, (attempted, premeditated)murder, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"
i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.
ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter,murder and/or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage
iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government


Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

[Razhtigr]

I would include Murder as a possible charge, if someone willfully sabatoges the spacecraft with the intent of destroying it, and takes actions that demonstrate pre-meditation.

I think it would work as manslaughter, but for the sake of thoroughness

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, (attempted, premeditated)murder, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"
i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.
ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter,murder and/or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage
iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government


Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

Manslaughter seems a bit light if someone plans and executes an act of sabotage that results in death. That to me seems an awful lot like pe-meditated murder.

[Belhorizon]

I added it...
We should develop the entire bill as such.
"This developed clause will stick out like a sore thumb

Emmanuel Bassil,
Independent

[Fulflood]

In addition to the charges of vandalism to public property that the government could charge if it was partly involved in the research

Good...

So how about

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"

Unnecessary/redundant. They're already liable to these if they have committed them. Also a definition for sabotage would not go amiss.

i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.

Aaaand you've lost my vote.

ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage

iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government

Again, I'm pretty sure these can already be done.

Sorry if this is a bit of a Senate baptism of fire for you.

[Belhorizon]

Good...

So how about

1)"Anyone found to have attempted to sabotage, or has sabotaged a spaceship is liable to (attempted) manslaughter, treason, and vandalism charges, depending on the circumstances"

Unnecessary/redundant. They're already liable to these if they have committed them. Also a definition for sabotage would not go amiss.

i) A suspect is charged with treason if said spaceship is involved, no matter the degree, in a government research program.

Aaaand you've lost my vote.

ii) The Government also accordingly presses manslaughter or vandalism charges in assessment of the material and human amage

iii) A private citizen related with the incident may also press charges on the suspect independent of the government

Again, I'm pretty sure these can already be done.

Sorry if this is a bit of a Senate baptism of fire for you.

Don't worry...
So how do you suggest amending it?

[Ainin]

Revised RAIA

Research and Astronomy Improvement Act
Urgency: Low | Drafted By: Ainin (Minister of Research of Astronomy) | Sponsors: Strykla, Yanalia, Greater Pokarnia, Vistulange

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Noting that the executive cabinet ministry by the name of the Ministry of Research and Astronomy is tasked with the duty of managing and sponsoring scientific research in Aurentina, providing funding to specialized research agencies alongside providing oversight to the space program and facilitating funding for research and space programs,

Reaffirming that the Ministry of Research and Astronomy is to promote and support scientific developments and aerospatial exploration through financial, social and diplomatic channels,

Section I: Funding
A) 7% of the annual budget of the Ministry is to be held in trust by the Ministry of Treasury and Finance as a "rainy-day fund"
B) A rainy-day fund is defined for the purpose of this law as a reserved amount of money to be used in times when regular income is decreased in order for typical operations to continue
C) The minister responsible or the prime minister may activate the fund at any time if they feel that operations may severely be affected without the additional funding

Section II: Accounting
A) The office of Ombudsman for the Ministry of Research and Astronomy is created to investigate rights violation and maladministration complaints filed by Aurentine citizens and enterprises
B) The Ombudsman is appointed by the Minister of Justice and approved by the President of Aurentina
C) The Ombudsman is to have a university degree in accounting and is responsible for auditing the ministry at least twice a year

Section III: Astronaut Selection
A) The term astronaut is defined for the purpose of this law as an Aurentine public servant trained by a human spaceflight program to command, pilot, or serve as a crew member of a spacecraft
B) Astronauts are selected among any candidates who present their names, along with the appropriate forms, less than 30 days after the job offering is posted
C) Candidates must not have any history of violent or uncontrollable mental or physical disorder, a derelict or felony on their criminal record
D) Candidates may not be rejected on basis of sex, race, religion or any category that does not impede the ability or performance of the person
E) Selected candidates must finish the two-month training camp and pass a written test

Section IV: Security and Protection
A) All astronauts are to be trained in emergency situation management in case of incident onboard a spacecraft
B) Attempts to sabotage a spaceship is classified as (attempted) manslaughter and/or vandalism, depending on the circumstances and the assessment of the material and human damage
C) Accidentally disabling functions of a spacecraft leading to fatalities is classified as reckless endangerment
D) Scientists and contractors found to be deliberately misleading ministry officials with the aim of receiving money from the government will be charged with fraud
E) The Ministry of Transportation is tasked with investigating accidents and incidents onboard or involving spacecraft

Concluding that this act provides an adequate plan for scientific development in Aurentina,

Hereby Passes the Research and Astronomy Improvement Act

[Battlion]

How would people feel about including Technology into this department?

[Ainin]

How would people feel about including Technology into this department?

Define technology. Seems vague.

-MoRA

[Ainin]

Revised RAIA

Research and Astronomy Improvement Act
Urgency: Low | Drafted By: Ainin (Minister of Research of Astronomy) | Sponsors: Strykla, Yanalia, Greater Pokarnia, Vistulange

---

The Senate of Aurentina,

Noting that the executive cabinet ministry by the name of the Ministry of Research and Astronomy is tasked with the duty of managing and sponsoring scientific research in Aurentina, providing funding to specialized research agencies alongside providing oversight to the space program and facilitating funding for research and space programs,

Reaffirming that the Ministry of Research and Astronomy is to promote and support scientific developments and aerospatial exploration through financial, social and diplomatic channels,

Section I: Funding
A) 7% of the annual budget of the Ministry is to be held in trust by the Ministry of Treasury and Finance as a "rainy-day fund"
B) A rainy-day fund is defined for the purpose of this law as a reserved amount of money to be used in times when regular income is decreased in order for typical operations to continue
C) The minister responsible or the prime minister may activate the fund at any time if they feel that operations may severely be affected without the additional funding

Section II: Accounting
A) The office of Ombudsman for the Ministry of Research and Astronomy is created to investigate rights violation and maladministration complaints filed by Aurentine citizens and enterprises
B) The Ombudsman is appointed by the Minister of Justice and approved by the President of Aurentina
C) The Ombudsman is to have a university degree in accounting and is responsible for auditing the ministry at least twice a year

Section III: Astronaut Selection
A) The term astronaut is defined for the purpose of this law as an Aurentine public servant trained by a human spaceflight program to command, pilot, or serve as a crew member of a spacecraft
B) Astronauts are selected among any candidates who present their names, along with the appropriate forms, less than 30 days after the job offering is posted
C) Candidates must not have any history of violent or uncontrollable mental or physical disorder, a derelict or felony on their criminal record
D) Candidates may not be rejected on basis of sex, race, religion or any category that does not impede the ability or performance of the person
E) Selected candidates must finish the two-month training camp and pass a written test

Section IV: Security and Protection
A) All astronauts are to be trained in emergency situation management in case of incident onboard a spacecraft
B) Attempts to sabotage a spaceship is classified as (attempted) manslaughter and/or vandalism, depending on the circumstances and the assessment of the material and human damage
C) Accidentally disabling functions of a spacecraft leading to fatalities is classified as reckless endangerment
D) Scientists and contractors found to be deliberately misleading ministry officials with the aim of receiving money from the government will be charged with fraud
E) The Ministry of Transportation is tasked with investigating accidents and incidents onboard or involving spacecraft

Concluding that this act provides an adequate plan for scientific development in Aurentina,

Hereby Passes the Research and Astronomy Improvement Act

Removed treason since it's silly.

[Battlion]

How would people feel about including Technology into this department?

Define technology. Seems vague.

-MoRA

Internet, Telecoms etc... it's very wide but I think it will expand the point of the department and keep the Minister busy.

[Mediciano]

Wouldn't intentionally sabotaging a manned spacecraft be attempted murder? If someone hi-jacks an aircraft with the intent to drive it into the ground or disable it, would that be considered "manslaughter or vandalism"?

[Bleckonia]

Wouldn't intentionally sabotaging a manned spacecraft be attempted murder? If someone hi-jacks an aircraft with the intent to drive it into the ground or disable it, would that be considered "manslaughter or vandalism"?

Does anyone agree with me that space exploration is a waste of money at this point?

[Mitonesia]

Wouldn't intentionally sabotaging a manned spacecraft be attempted murder? If someone hi-jacks an aircraft with the intent to drive it into the ground or disable it, would that be considered "manslaughter or vandalism"?

It could be a planned unmanned flight which was invaded.

[Mediciano]

Wouldn't intentionally sabotaging a manned spacecraft be attempted murder? If someone hi-jacks an aircraft with the intent to drive it into the ground or disable it, would that be considered "manslaughter or vandalism"?

It could be a planned unmanned flight which was invaded.

In which case it is Destruction of Private/Government Property. Although I did specify "manned."

[Kamchastkia]

Wouldn't intentionally sabotaging a manned spacecraft be attempted murder? If someone hi-jacks an aircraft with the intent to drive it into the ground or disable it, would that be considered "manslaughter or vandalism"?

Does anyone agree with me that space exploration is a waste of money at this point?

It's not. Period.