NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Divair]

Better?

Yes.

[CTALNH]

Since vote is evenly split, I say we split the difference (as I suggested in tg to admin account). 12 hour extension.

Agreed. No need to halt the march of progress all together. Honestly I just want to see it fall through and a new candidate have to be chosen.

No.

[Mishmahig]

Pending failure to reach a majority among the admins I'd say we stick with the default voting time.

Since vote is evenly split, I say we split the difference (as I suggested in tg to admin account). 12 hour extension.

No.

If the administration team cannot come to a conclusion within 24 hours, the vote will end and Geilinor will not be elected.

[Great Nepal]

Since vote is evenly split, I say we split the difference (as I suggested in tg to admin account). 12 hour extension.

No.

If the administration team cannot come to a conclusion within 24 hours, the vote will end and Geilinor will not be elected.

Okay, I didn't read all of that post. Ah well, its not like coalition could have come to agreement in time anyway, due to certain people.

[The Treorai]

No.

Okay, I didn't read all of that post. Ah well, its not like coalition could have come to agreement in time anyway, due to certain people.

*Passive Aggressive Remark is noted by the Collective*

[Great Nepal]

Okay, I didn't read all of that post. Ah well, its not like coalition could have come to agreement in time anyway, due to certain people.

*Passive Aggressive Remark is noted by the Collective*

I wasn't looking at anyone in particular, just certain group of people who shall not be named.

[Mishmahig]

No.

Okay, I didn't read all of that post. Ah well, its not like coalition could have come to agreement in time anyway, due to certain people.

Not everyone has time to read every post, so no worries.

The streets outside the 'Hungry Lemur' Cafe

The senators Mishmahig, Resora and Yanalia were standing on the corner in the light drizzle. Probably talking about other ways they could ruin the democracy of the sweet, fair, oppressed Aurentina, the man watching them thought. He motioned with his hand, walking towards them from the other side of the street. His greatcoat blew slightly in the gusts of wind in the early night after the debates as the stranger reached into his jacket and pulled out a revolver. "On the floor now, cunts!" He called out, waving it in their faces as the streetlamps flickered.

Before they could react, solid lumps of wood or aluminium in the manner of soft-ball bats smacked them over onto the ground. The shadowy figures smirked, then a loud braying laugh as one made a joke. "Arsehole Senators..." he said brusquely before chuckling. "Fetch the Goedendags, and bring them with." He nodded at the struggling, pleading senators before moving off. Two men per senator dragged them over to the park near the cafe, where... deeds were done. Unfortunately for the senators, the sodomisers were thorough and removed any forensic evidence they could think of, before leaving the - still alive, but pride-harmed - politicians to be found and checked into the hospital in the morning when a young jogger spotted them.

Do not respond to this in an action. This happened hours ago IC time, they're alive, they got roughed up and then taken to hospital. it's an OOC action given IC form.

How interesting. Feeble and elderly Senator assaulted by groups of vicious thugs on the streets of the capital. Thank you for giving my Senator a cause to crusade for the complete reformation of the police forces.

[The Treorai]

*Passive Aggressive Remark is noted by the Collective*

I wasn't looking at anyone in particular, just certain group of people who shall not be named.

Hrmmm...
*Passive Aggressive Remark is noted by the Collective*

[Rumostan]

I wish to put forward a motion that bills can only be extended for a maximum of 24 hours, any more and the state of democracy in Aurentia should be called into question.

[Chetssaland]

The Nihilistic View, you are hereby WARNED for insensitive comments, immaturity, and conduct very unbecoming to a senator. A reminder that this is your second warning in a very short space of time. This also serves as a message to all of you who enjoy the term butthurt: Knock it off. Oh, and Nihil, don't send us 6 TGs like last time, ok?

Also, a clarification on the admin vote for the 24 hour extension: in order for it to pass either way, it needs 4 votes. A 3-2 lead like the current one is not sufficient.

Ignoring that I obviously should not get involved, this seems like an extremely unfair warning, possibly given by whoever was complaining about the word "butthurt" earlier. There have been actions far worse within the senate in the past few days with no warning, yet a humorous picture intended as a joke gets a warning.

In conclusion,

[Slazliyka]

The Nihilistic View, you are hereby WARNED for insensitive comments, immaturity, and conduct very unbecoming to a senator. A reminder that this is your second warning in a very short space of time. This also serves as a message to all of you who enjoy the term butthurt: Knock it off. Oh, and Nihil, don't send us 6 TGs like last time, ok?

Also, a clarification on the admin vote for the 24 hour extension: in order for it to pass either way, it needs 4 votes. A 3-2 lead like the current one is not sufficient.

Ignoring that I obviously should not get involved, this seems like an extremely unfair warning, possibly given by whoever was complaining about the word "butthurt" earlier. There have been actions far worse within the senate in the past few days with no warning, yet a humorous picture intended as a joke gets a warning.

In conclusion,

You'll notice whichever admin warned him pluralized the word "comment". This is likely a result of the numerous times he's behaved inappropriately.

[Chetssaland]

Ignoring that I obviously should not get involved, this seems like an extremely unfair warning, possibly given by whoever was complaining about the word "butthurt" earlier. There have been actions far worse within the senate in the past few days with no warning, yet a humorous picture intended as a joke gets a warning.

In conclusion,

You'll notice whichever admin warned him pluralized the word "comment". This is likely a result of the numerous times he's behaved inappropriately.

Looking at the past few pages, he has commended the admin decision to suspend voting, suggested that we keep track of any votes so that we can proxy vote it later, jokingly asked if the admin who responded to Wolf was Wolf, and complimented that story. None of those scream "inappropriate" to me.

The only borderline thing I can find is where he called us the coalition of the close-minded. That wouldn't warrant a citation in my book, but if it does, others who have used it should be warned as well.

[Slazliyka]

You'll notice whichever admin warned him pluralized the word "comment". This is likely a result of the numerous times he's behaved inappropriately.

Looking at the past few pages, he has commended the admin decision to suspend voting, suggested that we keep track of any votes so that we can proxy vote it later, jokingly asked if the admin who responded to Wolf was Wolf, and complimented that story. None of those scream "inappropriate" to me.

The only borderline thing I can find is where he called us the coalition of the close-minded. That wouldn't warrant a citation in my book, but if it does, others who have used it should be warned as well.

I'm not sure exactly what went into the decision but off the top of my head I know he's posted meme pics with rape jokes more than once.

[Chetssaland]

Looking at the past few pages, he has commended the admin decision to suspend voting, suggested that we keep track of any votes so that we can proxy vote it later, jokingly asked if the admin who responded to Wolf was Wolf, and complimented that story. None of those scream "inappropriate" to me.

The only borderline thing I can find is where he called us the coalition of the close-minded. That wouldn't warrant a citation in my book, but if it does, others who have used it should be warned as well.

I'm not sure exactly what went into the decision but off the top of my head I know he's posted meme pics with rape jokes more than once.

I'd have to see the picture and context, but I suppose there's a chance those could deserve a warning. However, they should warn those posts rather than the butthurt one.

I'll leave it at that though. I don't want to make controversy out of this.

[The Jahistic Unified Republic]

Pending failure to reach a majority among the admins I'd say we stick with the default voting time.

Since vote is evenly split, I say we split the difference (as I suggested in tg to admin account). 12 hour extension.

I'll compromise on that.

[Geilinor]

Why do we need an active PM? All the PM needs to do is appoint the ministers.

Because they say so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister The PM has to direct the cabinet and direction of the government as well. The prime minister is the head of government, not the president. The president is just the head of state. The prime minister is supposed to be the leader of the governing coalition. It isn't just an appointing role. "The prime minister is expected with other ministers to ensure the passage of bills through the legislature." The Progress Coalition collapsed because it lost united legislative direction.

[Geilinor]

Since vote is evenly split, I say we split the difference (as I suggested in tg to admin account). 12 hour extension.

I'll compromise on that.

I agree.

[Yanalia]

Because they say so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister The PM has to direct the cabinet and direction of the government as well. The prime minister is the head of government, not the president. The president is just the head of state. The prime minister is supposed to be the leader of the governing coalition. It isn't just an appointing role. "The prime minister is expected with other ministers to ensure the passage of bills through the legislature." The Progress Coalition collapsed because it lost united legislative direction.

Not our prime minister. It doesn't matter what the position is called. Our PM is very different from that of other nations.

And the Progress Coalition lost power because the President wanted it to.

[Geilinor]

I wish to put forward a motion that bills can only be extended for a maximum of 24 hours, any more and the state of democracy in Aurentia should be called into question.

I support this motion. Voting would still continue for about 12 more hours under the extension.

[Welsh Cowboy]

Because they say so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister The PM has to direct the cabinet and direction of the government as well. The prime minister is the head of government, not the president. The president is just the head of state. The prime minister is supposed to be the leader of the governing coalition. It isn't just an appointing role. "The prime minister is expected with other ministers to ensure the passage of bills through the legislature." The Progress Coalition collapsed because it lost united legislative direction.

Senator, the Senate has not fallen apart without an active, involved Prime Minister. The collapse of ProgCon hasn't stopped laws from being drafted and passed.

It's preferable to have an active PM, but the Senate can function without it.

[Welsh Cowboy]

I wish to put forward a motion that bills can only be extended for a maximum of 24 hours, any more and the state of democracy in Aurentia should be called into question.

I support this motion. Voting would still continue for about 12 more hours under the extension.

This is in a bill which has been proposed to be added to the queue...

[Geilinor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister The PM has to direct the cabinet and direction of the government as well. The prime minister is the head of government, not the president. The president is just the head of state. The prime minister is supposed to be the leader of the governing coalition. It isn't just an appointing role. "The prime minister is expected with other ministers to ensure the passage of bills through the legislature." The Progress Coalition collapsed because it lost united legislative direction.

Not our prime minister. It doesn't matter what the position is called. Our PM is very different from that of other nations.

Why is our PM different? If our PM is different, I propose changing it. Our president is the head of state and it is a ceremonial role, got it? This is still a parliamentary system, making our prime minister the head of government. The Progress Coalition never felt like it had a head governing it.

[Chetssaland]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_minister The PM has to direct the cabinet and direction of the government as well. The prime minister is the head of government, not the president. The president is just the head of state. The prime minister is supposed to be the leader of the governing coalition. It isn't just an appointing role. "The prime minister is expected with other ministers to ensure the passage of bills through the legislature." The Progress Coalition collapsed because it lost united legislative direction.

Senator, the Senate has not fallen apart without an active, involved Prime Minister. The collapse of ProgCon hasn't stopped laws from being drafted and passed.

It's preferable to have an active PM, but the Senate can function without it.

The senate can function, but the ministries will suffer. You're forgetting about the people of Aurentina, who deserve a fully functioning government.

*I'm not making a political point on this, or blaming one side or the other for any gridlock. I'm just stating a fact.

[Welsh Cowboy]

Senator, the Senate has not fallen apart without an active, involved Prime Minister. The collapse of ProgCon hasn't stopped laws from being drafted and passed.

It's preferable to have an active PM, but the Senate can function without it.

The senate can function, but the ministries will suffer. You're forgetting about the people of Aurentina, who deserve a fully functioning government.

*I'm not making a political point on this, or blaming one side or the other for any gridlock. I'm just stating a fact.

The civil service, or bureaucracy, has nothing to do with the government. All the rank-and-file government employees can continue to function without a politically appointed head of their ministry. Look at the US. Several of the Cabinet departments are currently being led by career civil servants until an appointment is made.

[Geilinor]

The senate can function, but the ministries will suffer. You're forgetting about the people of Aurentina, who deserve a fully functioning government.

*I'm not making a political point on this, or blaming one side or the other for any gridlock. I'm just stating a fact.

The civil service, or bureaucracy, has nothing to do with the government. All the rank-and-file government employees can continue to function without a politically appointed head of their ministry. Look at the US. Several of the Cabinet departments are currently being led by career civil servants until an appointment is made.

The prime minister isn't just the leader of the ministries. What part of head of government do you not understand? The prime minister leads the government. Just forming it and then leaving it to collapse isn't enough. I didn't see enough people trying to save the Progress Coalition. An active prime minister could have stepped in and tried to stop it from breaking apart. The president is a ceremonial head of state that just basically signs pieces of paper and symbolically represents the country. Aurentina doesn't deserve our current gridlock.