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[Lemanrussland]

I'd like to co-sponsor. While I voted in opposition to joining NATO, due to the possible obligations it would impose on our country, I will vote in favor of this proposal.

What is the difference between NATO military operations and UN ones?

They're not nearly as large, and are normally for less controversial purposes.

[Ceannairceach]

Because none of them, as far as we are aware, died in any manner that can be construed as "heroic." They were simply, though unfortunatly, caught in a blast. they did not attempt some act of vrave defiance to save bunnies or some such thing. Should evidence appear that one or more of the victims did attempt or achieve heroism, then we may idolize them. But not now.

Despite the threats of the terror attack, they were serving this nation after senate hours and they died while serving this nation. That deserves some recognition.

Yes, as the tragic victims of a terror campaign. As the faces of innocence lost due to the evils of terror. Perhaps even as models of civic service in the face of threats not all know exist. But not as heroes.

[Great Nepal]

Despite the threats of the terror attack, they were serving this nation after senate hours and they died while serving this nation. That deserves some recognition.

Yes, as the tragic victims of a terror campaign. As the faces of innocence lost due to the evils of terror. Perhaps even as models of civic service in the face of threats not all know exist. But not as heroes.

Fine, would you support it if the sentence was changed to this "This senate therefore commends all the victims of most recent terrorist attack in senate as models of civic service in the face of threats"?

[Byzantium Imperial]

What is the difference between NATO military operations and UN ones?

They're not nearly as large, and are normally for less controversial purposes.

While im opposed to military operations for either, the UN is certainly tr lesser of two evils. They are incompetent and useless, but well meaning

As of yet i have not decided on un membership

[Belmaria]

What is the difference between NATO military operations and UN ones?

They're not nearly as large, and are normally for less controversial purposes.

I disagree on the principle of national sovereignty. I believe that we need complete control of our armed forces. I do not believe in global government.

[The Nihilistic view]

What is the difference between NATO military operations and UN ones?

They're not nearly as large, and are normally for less controversial purposes.

I suppose you can get away with that sir.

[The Nihilistic view]

For all those wondering, This is one of the two aims of the petition

Justice for the 18!
The signatories also call for compensation for the families of all those killed and injured by the tragedy. Also for an official and unreserved apology from the minister and the government admitting to serious failures within his department. Also for a monument to be put up outside the rebuilt senate to remind future generations of their sacrifice in serving this great nation. All persons involved from the bombers themselves to slack members of the ministry of the interior to be properly held to account in a court of law.

[Belmaria]

For all those wondering, This is one of the two aims of the petition

Justice for the 18!
The signatories also call for compensation for the families of all those killed and injured by the tragedy. Also for an official and unreserved apology from the minister and the government admitting to serious failures within his department. Also for a monument to be put up outside the rebuilt senate to remind future generations of their sacrifice in serving this great nation. All persons involved from the bombers themselves to slack members of the ministry of the interior to be properly held to account in a court of law.

Senator, please do these poor victims a favor and stop exploiting tragedies for political gain.

[Ainin]

For all those wondering, This is one of the two aims of the petition

Justice for the 18!
The signatories also call for compensation for the families of all those killed and injured by the tragedy. Also for an official and unreserved apology from the minister and the government admitting to serious failures within his department. Also for a monument to be put up outside the rebuilt senate to remind future generations of their sacrifice in serving this great nation. All persons involved from the bombers themselves to slack members of the ministry of the interior to be properly held to account in a court of law.

The Minister of Interior did nothing wrong. This systematic failure should not be blamed on the Minister, as he does not control law enforcement and does not have any mandate to prevent terrorism under current legislation. I urge my fellow senators to disregard this politically-motivated witch hunt.

[Lemanrussland]

They're not nearly as large, and are normally for less controversial purposes.

I suppose you can get away with that sir.

Plus, joining NATO was supposed to be a cost saving measure at first, we'd be like Iceland, have US bases on our soil, but have no real standing army (or a quite small one). Eventually, some people began to punt around the idea that we should have a large army, be part of NATO, and be active in places like Afghanistan... no thanks!

[Great Nepal]

I suppose you can get away with that sir.

Plus, joining NATO was supposed to be a cost saving measure at first, we'd be like Iceland, have US bases on our soil, but have no real standing army (or a quite small one). Eventually, some people began to punt around the idea that we should have a large army, be part of NATO, and be active in places like Afghanistan... no thanks!

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

[Belmaria]

Plus, joining NATO was supposed to be a cost saving measure at first, we'd be like Iceland, have US bases on our soil, but have no real standing army (or a quite small one). Eventually, some people began to punt around the idea that we should have a large army, be part of NATO, and be active in places like Afghanistan... no thanks!

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

I don't think they'll let us do that

[Byzantium Imperial]

Plus, joining NATO was supposed to be a cost saving measure at first, we'd be like Iceland, have US bases on our soil, but have no real standing army (or a quite small one). Eventually, some people began to punt around the idea that we should have a large army, be part of NATO, and be active in places like Afghanistan... no thanks!

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

Or we could cut out the middle man so to speak and not join nato. Who is going to attack us anyway!?!

[Lemanrussland]

Plus, joining NATO was supposed to be a cost saving measure at first, we'd be like Iceland, have US bases on our soil, but have no real standing army (or a quite small one). Eventually, some people began to punt around the idea that we should have a large army, be part of NATO, and be active in places like Afghanistan... no thanks!

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

I'd rather we not risk the chance. We'll have to work from that position if the NATO resolution passes, however.

[Great Nepal]

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

I'd rather we not risk the chance. We'll have to work from that position if the NATO resolution passes, however.

We could have a bill that requires referendum to go to non defensive war. If we pass this and resumbit NATO proposal, will you support it?

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

I don't think they'll let us do that

They can not stop us voting, senator.

[Belmaria]

I'd rather we not risk the chance. We'll have to work from that position if the NATO resolution passes, however.

We could have a bill that requires referendum to go to non defensive war. If we pass this and resumbit NATO proposal, will you support it?

I don't think they'll let us do that

They can not stop us voting, senator.

They can kick us out of NATO

[The Nihilistic view]

For all those wondering, This is one of the two aims of the petition

Justice for the 18!
The signatories also call for compensation for the families of all those killed and injured by the tragedy. Also for an official and unreserved apology from the minister and the government admitting to serious failures within his department. Also for a monument to be put up outside the rebuilt senate to remind future generations of their sacrifice in serving this great nation. All persons involved from the bombers themselves to slack members of the ministry of the interior to be properly held to account in a court of law.

The Minister of Interior did nothing wrong. This systematic failure should not be blamed on the Minister, as he does not control law enforcement and does not have any mandate to prevent terrorism under current legislation. I urge my fellow senators to disregard this politically-motivated witch hunt.

I think you need to have a look at the responsibilities for the ministry for the interior. It is responsible for internal security of this nation, that would include the prevention of terrorism. To claim otherwise is perverse.

[The Nihilistic view]

We could join NATO, and then vote against budget authorization to have large army or be involved in places like Afghanistan.

I don't think they'll let us do that

No they wont, you are right. They would be very unhappy with us and may kick us out.

[Lemanrussland]

I'd rather we not risk the chance. We'll have to work from that position if the NATO resolution passes, however.

We could have a bill that requires referendum to go to non defensive war. If we pass this and resumbit NATO proposal, will you support it?

I don't think they'll let us do that

They can not stop us voting, senator.

I suppose, though I don't see the point. There is no great threat to our country at this time.

If we were in the 1970s/80s and there were hundreds of Warsaw Pact Motor-Rifle and Tank divisions across the Iron Curtain, I would be more inclined to support NATO membership.

[Yanalia]

The Minister of Interior did nothing wrong. This systematic failure should not be blamed on the Minister, as he does not control law enforcement and does not have any mandate to prevent terrorism under current legislation. I urge my fellow senators to disregard this politically-motivated witch hunt.

I think you need to have a look at the responsibilities for the ministry for the interior. It is responsible for internal security of this nation, that would include the prevention of terrorism. To claim otherwise is perverse.

No legislation has been passed giving the Minister of the Interiors any executive authority whatsoever. As I have already shown, the Republican Executive Act mandates that all executive authority for the Ministers be created by law. No such laws have been passed.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think you need to have a look at the responsibilities for the ministry for the interior. It is responsible for internal security of this nation, that would include the prevention of terrorism. To claim otherwise is perverse.

No legislation has been passed giving the Minister of the Interiors any executive authority whatsoever. As I have already shown, the Republican Executive Act mandates that all executive authority for the Ministers be created by law. No such laws have been passed.

It's called the ministry foundation act. Its sets out the duty and responsibilities of each ministry. The republican executive act gives ministers the executive power.

[Yanalia]

No legislation has been passed giving the Minister of the Interiors any executive authority whatsoever. As I have already shown, the Republican Executive Act mandates that all executive authority for the Ministers be created by law. No such laws have been passed.

It's called the ministry foundation act. Its sets out the duty and responsibilities of each ministry.

Show me where that Act gives the Minister control over the police or any other direct authority. It only specifies duties, but not abilities. And according to the Republican Executive Act, all abilities must be explicitly defined by law.

[The Nihilistic view]

It's called the ministry foundation act. Its sets out the duty and responsibilities of each ministry.

Show me where that Act gives the Minister control over the police or any other direct authority. It only specifies duties, but not abilities. And according to the Republican Executive Act, all abilities must be explicitly defined by law.

"The Ministry of Interiors, with the duty of policing the nation, ensuring national security, supervise local governments, elections and immigration."

[Yanalia]

Show me where that Act gives the Minister control over the police or any other direct authority. It only specifies duties, but not abilities. And according to the Republican Executive Act, all abilities must be explicitly defined by law.

"The Ministry of Interiors, with the duty of policing the nation, ensuring national security, supervise local governments, elections and immigration."

That is the duty. But it does not give the Minister any powers. The Minister can only accomplish that duty using legal methods. At the moment, the Minister has no available legal methods.

[The Nihilistic view]

"The Ministry of Interiors, with the duty of policing the nation, ensuring national security, supervise local governments, elections and immigration."

That is the duty. But it does not give the Minister any powers. The Minister can only accomplish that duty using legal methods. At the moment, the Minister has no available legal methods.

This if from the rep executive act;

"I. The executive power of the NSG state shall be vested in a President and a Council of Ministers"