NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[The New Sea Territory]

I move to add The National Census Bureau Establishment Act to the queue

National Census Bureau Establishment Act
Drafted by Gallup and Lemanrussland
Sponsored by Gallup, Lemanrussland, Othelos, Soviet Canuckistan and Yanalia

RECOGNIZING that this nation has no agency for the collection of economic and demographic statistics,

UNDERSTANDING that accurate statistical information about employment, demographics, income, education and other factors is a vital tool in the sound and rational exercise of public policy,

The Senate hereby establishes the National Census Bureau (hereby abbreviated as the NCB), subordinate to the Ministry of Treasury and Finance, with the duty of collecting statisical information on behalf of the Senate and other government agencies.

The Senate hereby grants the following powers to the NCB:

I. The NCB shall, in the year 2013 and every 10 years thereafter, take a decennial census of the entire national population, by distributing surveys via mail and conducting surveys out of regional Census offices. After completion of the decennial census, the NCB shall report it's findings to the Senate.

II. The NCB shall also conduct smaller statistical surveys at the request of the Senate and other government agencies, on topics such as crime, employment, health, consumer expenditures, housing, income, and other topics, by distributing surveys via mail and conducting surveys out of regional Census offices.

III. Failure to respond to a NCB survey is hereby declared illegal. Citizens who fail to respond or knowingly submit false information in response to an NCB survey shall be fined no more than 5,000 NSC.

IV. All personal information related to individuals or establishments shall remain confidential, and must only be presented in aggregate. All Census employees must sign a sworn affidavit of non-disclosure of this information prior to employment. An employee of the NCB who discloses this information shall be fined 5,000 NSC or imprisoned 5 years, or both, for the first offence. An additional 1,000 NSC shall be fined or an additional 1 year shall be added for each new violation.

I simply ask, why can't the private sector provide this? I would like to have this privatized fully. If this is to pass, it should not be funded by taxpayer money but by privately earned fed funds.

[Yanalia]

I move to add The National Census Bureau Establishment Act to the queue

National Census Bureau Establishment Act
Drafted by Gallup and Lemanrussland
Sponsored by Gallup, Lemanrussland, Othelos, Soviet Canuckistan and Yanalia

RECOGNIZING that this nation has no agency for the collection of economic and demographic statistics,

UNDERSTANDING that accurate statistical information about employment, demographics, income, education and other factors is a vital tool in the sound and rational exercise of public policy,

The Senate hereby establishes the National Census Bureau (hereby abbreviated as the NCB), subordinate to the Ministry of Treasury and Finance, with the duty of collecting statisical information on behalf of the Senate and other government agencies.

The Senate hereby grants the following powers to the NCB:

I. The NCB shall, in the year 2013 and every 10 years thereafter, take a decennial census of the entire national population, by distributing surveys via mail and conducting surveys out of regional Census offices. After completion of the decennial census, the NCB shall report it's findings to the Senate.

II. The NCB shall also conduct smaller statistical surveys at the request of the Senate and other government agencies, on topics such as crime, employment, health, consumer expenditures, housing, income, and other topics, by distributing surveys via mail and conducting surveys out of regional Census offices.

III. Failure to respond to a NCB survey is hereby declared illegal. Citizens who fail to respond or knowingly submit false information in response to an NCB survey shall be fined no more than 5,000 NSC.

IV. All personal information related to individuals or establishments shall remain confidential, and must only be presented in aggregate. All Census employees must sign a sworn affidavit of non-disclosure of this information prior to employment. An employee of the NCB who discloses this information shall be fined 5,000 NSC or imprisoned 5 years, or both, for the first offence. An additional 1,000 NSC shall be fined or an additional 1 year shall be added for each new violation.

I simply ask, why can't the private sector provide this? I would like to have this privatized fully. If this is to pass, it should not be funded by taxpayer money but by privately earned fed funds.

Why would the private sector want to pay for it? Where's the profit?

[Kouralia]

Gorramit, Admins: Wai mai act not added to OP! D:<

[Aeken]

Gorramit, Admins: Wai mai act not added to OP! D:<

I add you now.

[The Realm of God]

Gorramit, Admins: Wai mai act not added to OP! D:<

I add you now.

Have you added the Small Business Assistance Act?

[Len Hyet]

Gorramit, Admins: Wai mai act not added to OP! D:<

Brownshirt?

[NSG Senate Administrators]

I add you now.

Have you added the Small Business Assistance Act?

It's in queue.

[Royalsoldiers]

I, Senator Royalsoldiers, vote in favor of the National Symbols Act.

[Jerusalemian]

Gorramit, Admins: Wai mai act not added to OP! D:<

[The New Sea Territory]

I simply ask, why can't the private sector provide this? I would like to have this privatized fully. If this is to pass, it should not be funded by taxpayer money but by privately earned fed funds.

Why would the private sector want to pay for it? Where's the profit?

Well, then why should it exist if a free market sees no point in it?

[Yanalia]

Why would the private sector want to pay for it? Where's the profit?

Well, then why should it exist if a free market sees no point in it?

You are arguing that nothing should exist if there is no profit motive? You are arguing against a tremendous amount of human creations and innovation. Such as roads, firefighters, and police among other things. As the legislation states, a knowledge of demographics is crucial in the creation of public policy. If we don't know anything about the population, how can we make proper laws regarding it?

[The New Sea Territory]

Well, then why should it exist if a free market sees no point in it?

You are arguing that nothing should exist if there is no profit motive? You are arguing against a tremendous amount of human creations and innovation. Such as roads, firefighters, and police among other things. As the legislation states, a knowledge of demographics is crucial in the creation of public policy. If we don't know anything about the population, how can we make proper laws regarding it?

Roads, firefighters and police can be turned into business very easily. And their is a motive: it is like insurance companies.

As for this, I would say their is a motive. People (us and the population) wish to know, they can earn the money to do it.

[Yanalia]

You are arguing that nothing should exist if there is no profit motive? You are arguing against a tremendous amount of human creations and innovation. Such as roads, firefighters, and police among other things. As the legislation states, a knowledge of demographics is crucial in the creation of public policy. If we don't know anything about the population, how can we make proper laws regarding it?

Roads, firefighters and police can be turned into business very easily. And their is a motive: it is like insurance companies.

As for this, I would say their is a motive. People (us and the population) wish to know, they can earn the money to do it.

When firefighters and police are privatized is when you have firefighters letting people die in fires or policemen refusing to save people from murder because they're poor. That sort of defeats the purpose of the organizations in the first place. As for roads, there's a reason they are always built by the government. A road system run by the private sector has no cohesive planning(making the network very confusing), competing roads going to the same place, and annoying poll booths every three feet.

Governments throughout history have built most of the structures, landmarks, and monuments we see today. There is a reason for government to do things sometimes.

No company is going to invest in taking a census. How would they make money from this goal?

[Ceannairceach]

You are arguing that nothing should exist if there is no profit motive? You are arguing against a tremendous amount of human creations and innovation. Such as roads, firefighters, and police among other things. As the legislation states, a knowledge of demographics is crucial in the creation of public policy. If we don't know anything about the population, how can we make proper laws regarding it?

Roads, firefighters and police can be turned into business very easily. And their is a motive: it is like insurance companies.

As for this, I would say their is a motive. People (us and the population) wish to know, they can earn the money to do it.

Senator, your desire to privatize has been noted and dismissed as a fanciful pipe dream. Now if you could please lodge any real complaints about the bill and move on...

[Geilinor]

I move to add The National Census Bureau Establishment Act to the queue

National Census Bureau Establishment Act
Drafted by Gallup and Lemanrussland
Sponsored by Gallup, Lemanrussland, Othelos, Soviet Canuckistan and Yanalia

RECOGNIZING that this nation has no agency for the collection of economic and demographic statistics,

UNDERSTANDING that accurate statistical information about employment, demographics, income, education and other factors is a vital tool in the sound and rational exercise of public policy,

The Senate hereby establishes the National Census Bureau (hereby abbreviated as the NCB), subordinate to the Ministry of Treasury and Finance, with the duty of collecting statisical information on behalf of the Senate and other government agencies.

The Senate hereby grants the following powers to the NCB:

I. The NCB shall, in the year 2013 and every 10 years thereafter, take a decennial census of the entire national population, by distributing surveys via mail and conducting surveys out of regional Census offices. After completion of the decennial census, the NCB shall report it's findings to the Senate.

II. The NCB shall also conduct smaller statistical surveys at the request of the Senate and other government agencies, on topics such as crime, employment, health, consumer expenditures, housing, income, and other topics, by distributing surveys via mail and conducting surveys out of regional Census offices.

III. Failure to respond to a NCB survey is hereby declared illegal. Citizens who fail to respond or knowingly submit false information in response to an NCB survey shall be fined no more than 5,000 NSC.

IV. All personal information related to individuals or establishments shall remain confidential, and must only be presented in aggregate. All Census employees must sign a sworn affidavit of non-disclosure of this information prior to employment. An employee of the NCB who discloses this information shall be fined 5,000 NSC or imprisoned 5 years, or both, for the first offence. An additional 1,000 NSC shall be fined or an additional 1 year shall be added for each new violation.

I simply ask, why can't the private sector provide this? I would like to have this privatized fully. If this is to pass, it should not be funded by taxpayer money but by privately earned fed funds.

We're going to have to pay someone to do it.

[The New Sea Territory]

I simply ask, why can't the private sector provide this? I would like to have this privatized fully. If this is to pass, it should not be funded by taxpayer money but by privately earned fed funds.

We're going to have to pay someone to do it.

But we'll have to pay the money we stole from the populace anyway to conduct the census. And we won't actually do it, unless you want these senators running door to door.

[The New Sea Territory]

Roads, firefighters and police can be turned into business very easily. And their is a motive: it is like insurance companies.

As for this, I would say their is a motive. People (us and the population) wish to know, they can earn the money to do it.

When firefighters and police are privatized is when you have firefighters letting people die in fires or policemen refusing to save people from murder because they're poor. That sort of defeats the purpose of the organizations in the first place. As for roads, there's a reason they are always built by the government. A road system run by the private sector has no cohesive planning(making the network very confusing), competing roads going to the same place, and annoying poll booths every three feet.

Governments throughout history have built most of the structures, landmarks, and monuments we see today. There is a reason for government to do things sometimes.

No company is going to invest in taking a census. How would they make money from this goal?

So, I take it you made straight A's at your School Government indoctrination center?

You have been fooled into thinking authority knows better than us.

[Diopolis]

We're going to have to pay someone to do it.

But we'll have to pay the money we stole from the populace anyway to conduct the census. And we won't actually do it, unless you want these senators running door to door.

Taxes are not theft.

[Yanalia]

When firefighters and police are privatized is when you have firefighters letting people die in fires or policemen refusing to save people from murder because they're poor. That sort of defeats the purpose of the organizations in the first place. As for roads, there's a reason they are always built by the government. A road system run by the private sector has no cohesive planning(making the network very confusing), competing roads going to the same place, and annoying poll booths every three feet.

Governments throughout history have built most of the structures, landmarks, and monuments we see today. There is a reason for government to do things sometimes.

No company is going to invest in taking a census. How would they make money from this goal?

So, I take it you made straight A's at your School Government indoctrination center?

You have been fooled into thinking authority knows better than us.

Senator, I will be waiting for an actual argument against my statements shortly.

[East Vlaricstan]

But we'll have to pay the money we stole from the populace anyway to conduct the census. And we won't actually do it, unless you want these senators running door to door.

Taxes are not theft.

Seconded.

[The New Sea Territory]

But we'll have to pay the money we stole from the populace anyway to conduct the census. And we won't actually do it, unless you want these senators running door to door.

Taxes are not theft.

Ok. I think they are, because they go to fund the organization that commits fraud, theft and murder on a daily basis: the state!

[Yanalia]

Taxes are not theft.

Ok. I think they are, because they go to fund the organization that commits fraud, theft and murder on a daily basis: the state!

Senator, you are a member of the state. Those taxes pay your salary.

[Diopolis]

Taxes are not theft.

Ok. I think they are, because they go to fund the organization that commits fraud, theft and murder on a daily basis: the state!

Give me examples of the state committing fraud theft and murder on a daily basis. And don't say taxes, because that would be circular logic.

[The New Sea Territory]

Ok. I think they are, because they go to fund the organization that commits fraud, theft and murder on a daily basis: the state!

Senator, you are a member of the state. Those taxes pay your salary.

And I currently give away my salary to those who pay me: the people I represent.

Considering I have no need for it. The Gulch trades in gold coins.

[Yanalia]

Senator, you are a member of the state. Those taxes pay your salary.

And I currently give away my salary to those who pay me: the people I represent.

Considering I have no need for it. The Gulch trades in gold coins.

Senator, we are all members of the state and to suggest that we should abolish taxation and cease to exist is not a constructive proposal.