Advertisement
by Meryuma » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:40 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Concordeia » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:58 pm
Meryuma wrote:Socialism isn't incompatible with democracy.
Falkasia wrote:Concordeia wrote:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block missile spam! And I'm freakin early PMT! :mad: :(
I gotta say it. First time I read through this, I could have sworn it said something like this:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block spam missiles!
I was like, "Who the hell are you fighting... or more importantly, was your lunch meat laced?"
by Powys-Gwent » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:01 pm
Radictistan wrote:The use of death squads to eliminate dangerous, anti-democratic activists is morally justifiable. You can't defend liberty without breaking a few skulls.
by Seperates » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:07 pm
Powys-Gwent wrote:Europe tried it, and it doesn't work. It just costs too much, and values forcibly redistributing wealth before growing the economy, which inevitably ends in disaster (points to 70's Britain and 00's Britain).
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:08 pm
by Meryuma » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:14 pm
Seperates wrote:Powys-Gwent wrote:Europe tried it, and it doesn't work. It just costs too much, and values forcibly redistributing wealth before growing the economy, which inevitably ends in disaster (points to 70's Britain and 00's Britain).
You do know that there is no truely capitalistic society in the world, don't you?... *laughs* Well, except Somalia, but that's because there isn't any government to regulate anything.
Last time America tried pure capitalism, we failed miserably... If the swings in the market control the economy it leads to dramatic up swings... and dramatic downswings.
The U.S. is socialist... has been for a while now. Maybe not on the scale of some countries, but it's all relative. Socialism is the ONLY viable economic system these days.
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Frangland » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:17 pm
by Verdeguay » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:32 pm
Meryuma wrote:1. Somalia has a shitload of governments:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... tricts.png
2. If by "pure capitalism" you mean a free market, we never had that. The "laissez-faire" 1800s had subsidies, tariffs, intellectual property, artificial scarcity on land, legal tender laws, and Civil War profiteering.
3. Government regulation is not socialism.
4. Government intervention in the economy perpetuates the boom and bust cycle. Without government interference, the market is relatively stable.
by Kreanoltha » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:58 pm
Meryuma wrote:4. Government intervention in the economy perpetuates the boom and bust cycle. Without government interference, the market is relatively stable.
by Meryuma » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:20 pm
Frangland wrote:First, let's define socialism:
To me, it's when one person's dollar goes to someone else, and the "giver" gets nothing in return. This means that things like the police, firefighters, education, infrastructure, defense, etc., are not socialism, since basically all of us pay into them and basically all of us benefit from them.
But when I am forced to give money to someone else (a person I don't know and to whom I did not give permission to receive my money...) for his or her personal use -- that, to me, is actual socialism: money taken from my pocket and put into someone else's pocket.
I believe in the right of property -- to keep what you have earned. This is the cornerstone and inspiration of Free Enterprise, which generates good products at relatively low prices (through competition), jobs for the people, and investment opprtunities.
But I realize that, shucks, some folks need help now and then. So yes, there should be limited (9 months unless injured or mentally incapable) welfare available to those who fall on hard times. Why nine months? That should be plenty of time for a healthy, industrious person to find a job... but hopefully not long enough to become dependent on the forced largesse of others, to become part of the Welfare State.
Social Security? If it's feasible, we should pay it off and scrap it. It is just another tax. It might have made sense in FDR's day, but now it's just another burden for the working taxpayer.
In sum, I hate socialism -- how it forces "equality" on us in lieu of liberty -- but there is a need for it, as long as unfortunate things happen to hard-working people.
Verdeguay wrote:Meryuma wrote:1. Somalia has a shitload of governments:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... tricts.png
2. If by "pure capitalism" you mean a free market, we never had that. The "laissez-faire" 1800s had subsidies, tariffs, intellectual property, artificial scarcity on land, legal tender laws, and Civil War profiteering.
3. Government regulation is not socialism.
4. Government intervention in the economy perpetuates the boom and bust cycle. Without government interference, the market is relatively stable.
QFT
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:35 pm
Ensenda wrote:Socialism is just as bad as capitalism both are just opposites that do the same harm to society.
by Costa Fiero » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:52 pm
by Sibirsky » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:56 am
SaintB wrote:I support the socialization of necessary services and defense (including the production of all weapons) but that's as far as I go.
by Sibirsky » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:56 am
Caninope wrote:My opinion is that capitalism is better.
by Sibirsky » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:01 am
Costa Fiero wrote:Mike the Progressive wrote:
That's an interesting (and idiotic theory), how in hell did you arrive at that conclusion?
Because one has to look at the shit state the global economy is in at the moment to see that Ensenda's statement does have some validity. Big economies need government poking in order to get working again, like someone using jumpercables to retstart a car. But somehow we have the idea that the market always works itself out.
So, how is the market working for you now? Still the same?
by Saiwania » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:07 am
by Meridiani Planum » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:22 am
Noord Kekionga wrote:It seems to be working well for Sweden...
by Juristonia » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:17 am
Frangland wrote:First, let's define socialism:
To me, it's when one person's dollar goes to someone else, and the "giver" gets nothing in return. This means that things like the police, firefighters, education, infrastructure, defense, etc., are not socialism, since basically all of us pay into them and basically all of us benefit from them.
But when I am forced to give money to someone else (a person I don't know and to whom I did not give permission to receive my money...) for his or her personal use -- that, to me, is actual socialism: money taken from my pocket and put into someone else's pocket.
I believe in the right of property -- to keep what you have earned. This is the cornerstone and inspiration of Free Enterprise, which generates good products at relatively low prices (through competition), jobs for the people, and investment opprtunities.
But I realize that, shucks, some folks need help now and then. So yes, there should be limited (9 months unless injured or mentally incapable) welfare available to those who fall on hard times. Why nine months? That should be plenty of time for a healthy, industrious person to find a job... but hopefully not long enough to become dependent on the forced largesse of others, to become part of the Welfare State.
Social Security? If it's feasible, we should pay it off and scrap it. It is just another tax. It might have made sense in FDR's day, but now it's just another burden for the working taxpayer.
In sum, I hate socialism -- how it forces "equality" on us in lieu of liberty -- but there is a need for it, as long as unfortunate things happen to hard-working people.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
by EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:22 am
Seperates wrote:The U.S. is socialist... has been for a while now.
by Jakaragua » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:56 am
Sibirsky wrote:Costa Fiero wrote:
Because one has to look at the shit state the global economy is in at the moment to see that Ensenda's statement does have some validity. Big economies need government poking in order to get working again, like someone using jumpercables to retstart a car. But somehow we have the idea that the market always works itself out.
So, how is the market working for you now? Still the same?
Governments have failed to do anything of value. An economy is not a fucking car and does not need starting. Governments have caused the current crisis. Governments prolonged the current crisis. Governments deepened the current crisis.
by Sibirsky » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:02 am
Jakaragua wrote:Sibirsky wrote:
Governments have failed to do anything of value. An economy is not a fucking car and does not need starting. Governments have caused the current crisis. Governments prolonged the current crisis. Governments deepened the current crisis.
"All problems can be found in the government, no matter the source of a problem or any other contributing factors."
It is quite juvenile to merely stamp one’s feet on the ground and claim everything is the government’s fault
by EnragedMaldivians » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:05 am
Jakaragua wrote:Sibirsky wrote:
Governments have failed to do anything of value. An economy is not a fucking car and does not need starting. Governments have caused the current crisis. Governments prolonged the current crisis. Governments deepened the current crisis.
"All problems can be found in the government, no matter the source of a problem or any other contributing factors."
It is quite juvenile to merely stamp one’s feet on the ground and claim everything is the government’s fault
by Arborlawn » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:20 am
by Jakaragua » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:20 am
EnragedMaldivians wrote:Jakaragua wrote:"All problems can be found in the government, no matter the source of a problem or any other contributing factors."
It is quite juvenile to merely stamp one’s feet on the ground and claim everything is the government’s fault
Equally juvenile to lay it on the feet of capitalism.
Most communists won't even consider that there could be capitalist solutions to protecting the environment (cap and trade), or reducing absoloute poverty. (Even though it has). Capitalism does not have to be completely laissez fare, unregulated libertarianism or big business mercantlisim; which is the essentially what most of them criticise.
Oh, and where a country develops they are accused of belonging to the sem-periphery.
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Aadhiris, Dayganistan, Eragon Island, Forsher, Gun Manufacturers, Heldervin, HISPIDA, Ineva, Ravemath, Stratonesia, The Xenopolis Confederation
Advertisement