Abortion Rates in U.S. Rise

[Wiztopia]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=89832&hilit=Abortion

While I know that thread exists the problem is it isn't exactly the same. This one is about the U.S. as a whole.

I personally think this is a good thing because it means women are not falling under pressure as much to keep it like they use to.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41008558/ns ... ?gt1=43001

Somehow forgot to link to the article.

[Dakini]

It depends. It would be better if there were fewer unwanted pregnancies to begin with. So if the abortion rate is going up because the rate of unwanted pregnancies is going up, then this is not so good. If the abortion rate is going up, but the rate of unwanted pregnancies is the same then sure, that's great.

[The Floridian Coast]

A temporary rise in the abortion rate is a good thing. It would indicate less unwanted pregnancies are kept which is economically and socially better for all of us. The ideal though, would to see it start a steady decline, which would hopefully come after comprehensive sex education in schools, which we have been lacking here.

[Seperate Vermont]

I'd say our best answer has to be comprehensive sex education and contraception, to be honest. Comprehensive education would hep to take down barriers and taboos to comprehensive understanding of sex and skills for consent, and contraceptives could help to "plan".

[UCUMAY]

I'd say our best answer has to be comprehensive sex education and contraception, to be honest. Comprehensive education would hep to take down barriers and taboos to comprehensive understanding of sex and skills for consent, and contraceptives could help to "plan".

/this is the thread in my opinion

[Call to power]

of course as the law is debated for allowing those born on US soil citizenship the Mexican invasion plans would lose steam.

[Sapphista]

I know that our sex education in the Southern US had one teacher telling us students that condoms don't work towards preventing pregnancy and STDs. After telling us that we should stay abstinent, he then went on about how he sometimes brings some of the students he coaches to the local health center to check for STDs.

Does anyone else find this disturbing?

[UCUMAY]

I know that our sex education in the Southern US had one teacher telling us students that condoms don't work towards preventing pregnancy and STDs. After telling us that we should stay abstinent, he then went on about how he sometimes brings some of the students he coaches to the local health center to check for STDs.

Does anyone else find this disturbing?

I live in the deep south and I find the sexual education very disturbing. Told me not to use tampons among other things.

[Nulono]

It's a bad thing, as we are failing our women and children.

Also, it should be Rise, not Raise.

[Call to power]

it should be Rise, not Raise.

you mean this isn't a thread about making bread with stem cells?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Clearly this means we need to increase availability and awareness of contraception.

[Seperate Vermont]

I know that our sex education in the Southern US had one teacher telling us students that condoms don't work towards preventing pregnancy and STDs. After telling us that we should stay abstinent, he then went on about how he sometimes brings some of the students he coaches to the local health center to check for STDs.

Does anyone else find this disturbing?

I live in the deep south and I find the sexual education very disturbing. Told me not to use tampons among other things.

Good god, they are just asking for the misinformation and association that abstinence until marriage is the sole preventative of STD's and such. That is the entirely wrong preventative for life, specifically for a universal, diverse group. Comprehensive sexual education is vital towards reaching all audiences and universally preventing the spread of STD's- That way, the "values" audience remains absintent with new information, the "I'm gonna do it regardless" audience at least has safe sex education and have some knowledge of what they are doing. Sexual development is not something that suddenly just appears in married couples, and hardly is just leaving knowledge up to individuals the right thing to do. Then, sexual education is only left up to falsehoods,taboos, and stereotypes.

For instance, what about homosexual couples? What are the right-wingers going to start advocating, that they wait until marriage for sex too? Throw their head in the sand and pretend it's not happening?

[Nobel Hobos]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=89832&hilit=Abortion

That thread (which you know you should have posted to instead of making this one) is quite unreadable with the word abortion highlighted throughout it.

How could this have happened? Perhaps by your searching the forum for the word "abortion". Why you would do that, I leave to others to decide. I know it is impossible to prove motivation, so I'll just point and giggle.

Is there a rise in abortion in the US? A better way to start the thread might be with a link to a source with some statistical credibility, rather than a link to a thread.

Then we could question why you like abortion. I think we can take it for granted that you won't ever have one yourself.

[Greed and Death]

My guess the economy is crappy so a lot of surprised pregnancies that families would have went with in the past they have decided to put off having another until the economy improves.

[Wiztopia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=89832&hilit=Abortion

That thread (which you know you should have posted to instead of making this one) is quite unreadable with the word abortion highlighted throughout it.

How could this have happened? Perhaps by your searching the forum for the word "abortion". Why you would do that, I leave to others to decide. I know it is impossible to prove motivation, so I'll just point and giggle.

Is there a rise in abortion in the US? A better way to start the thread might be with a link to a source with some statistical credibility, rather than a link to a thread.

Then we could question why you like abortion. I think we can take it for granted that you won't ever have one yourself.

Forgot to link to the article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41008558/ns ... ?gt1=43001 Editing OP now. Also of course I'm never getting an abortion. I'm male so its impossible for me to get one.

[Greed and Death]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=89832&hilit=Abortion

That thread (which you know you should have posted to instead of making this one) is quite unreadable with the word abortion highlighted throughout it.

How could this have happened? Perhaps by your searching the forum for the word "abortion". Why you would do that, I leave to others to decide. I know it is impossible to prove motivation, so I'll just point and giggle.

Is there a rise in abortion in the US? A better way to start the thread might be with a link to a source with some statistical credibility, rather than a link to a thread.

Then we could question why you like abortion. I think we can take it for granted that you won't ever have one yourself.

Maybe he was making sure there were no threads about this topic already in place. Something we all should do before making a new topic.

[Wiztopia]

That thread (which you know you should have posted to instead of making this one) is quite unreadable with the word abortion highlighted throughout it.

How could this have happened? Perhaps by your searching the forum for the word "abortion". Why you would do that, I leave to others to decide. I know it is impossible to prove motivation, so I'll just point and giggle.

Is there a rise in abortion in the US? A better way to start the thread might be with a link to a source with some statistical credibility, rather than a link to a thread.

Then we could question why you like abortion. I think we can take it for granted that you won't ever have one yourself.

Maybe he was making sure there were no threads about this topic already in place. Something we all should do before making a new topic.

Which should be pretty damn obvious considering my first line in that post.

[Nobel Hobos]

That thread (which you know you should have posted to instead of making this one) is quite unreadable with the word abortion highlighted throughout it.

How could this have happened? Perhaps by your searching the forum for the word "abortion". Why you would do that, I leave to others to decide. I know it is impossible to prove motivation, so I'll just point and giggle.

Is there a rise in abortion in the US? A better way to start the thread might be with a link to a source with some statistical credibility, rather than a link to a thread.

Then we could question why you like abortion. I think we can take it for granted that you won't ever have one yourself.

Forgot to link to the article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41008558/ns ... ?gt1=43001 Editing OP now. Also of course I'm never getting an abortion. I'm male so its impossible for me to get one.

Editing the OP is a very good idea.

Now, what's your thesis? That a higher rate of abortions shows that women are being pressured less to keep unwanted pregnancies?

There are so many possible factors. As Greedles said, perhaps it is that women who fall pregnant and have to make the decision are tending towards abortion because of lesser means to support a child (ie, recession).

Or perhaps men and women have more sex together during a recession.

Or perhaps the use of contraception has taken a downturn, as HIV appears less of a threat to life now.

Your explanation, that there has been a change within society (from what cause?) affecting the choices women make, is actually less plausible to me than any of those.

You started a thread to say that. Well, make an argument for it then. I still think you're waving in the general direction of abortion and expecting everyone else to argue about it. I will be VERY unimpressed if you don't even try to demonstrate the social change of "women being less pressured". Being firmly pro-choice, I really don't appreciate people (men, moreover) from my side cheering for abortion without knowing the cause.

[Aeronos]

This is too obvious. The economy has effectively slumped, with people being out of work or scared of losing their jobs, the government being incapable of fixing it without going into colossal amounts of debt, you name it. Everyone's sad, bored and stressed, so that obviously means one thing.... Moar recreational secks!

[Nobel Hobos]

This is too obvious. The economy has effectively slumped, with people being out of work or scared of losing their jobs, the government being incapable of fixing it without going into colossal amounts of debt, you name it. Everyone's sad, bored and stressed, so that obviously means one thing.... Moar recreational secks!

And perhaps they're spending their money on booze instead of contraception, too. People don't look as good during recessions, so you need more booze to achieve activation energy. Chemistry, that is.

Seriously though, industries like prostitution, drugs and entertainment are relatively unaffected by recession. Movie cinemas boomed during the Great Depression, and the common explanation is that people wanted to forget their troubles for an hour or so. But I'm having a hard time extending that to modern conditions with cheap and plentiful contraception ... is all the increase due to increased sex? There are lots of other factors in whether people have sex, and I suspect that lowered job prospects and financial security probably has a depressive effect by lowering self-confidence.

But now I'm just speculating. The Guttmacher Institute report really should be linked to directly.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

Good. Abortion and wider use of contraception both tend to be signs of an educated female population. Any white supremacists complaining about the fertility rate of the minorities ought to also realize that the white only childs are healthier, wealthier and better educated by and large than the hispanic litter of 14 the next town over. I hope more people engage in full use of contraception and, when this fails due to defect or random chance, utilize abortion as a means of preventing unwanted parenthood. For both the children's sake and their own.

[The Lone Alliance]

Birth rates in general are down in the US, partly because of the economy.

Most likely it's a similar factor in abortion.

People don't want to have a new kid right now.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The debate has always remained intense amid today's story, at the same time where the World Assembly is in fact is discussing the very topic as a resolution.

I've only participated in a couple of sessions in sex education about pregnancy but that was about it, basically safe sex and family planning should be promoted further, but not forced upon, in my opinion.

[Desperate Measures]

Another roadblock in my baby army plans.

[Ashmoria]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=89832&hilit=Abortion

While I know that thread exists the problem is it isn't exactly the same. This one is about the U.S. as a whole.

I personally think this is a good thing because it means women are not falling under pressure as much to keep it like they use to.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41008558/ns ... ?gt1=43001

Somehow forgot to link to the article.

the abortion rate is up because of the terrible economy.

fix the economy and it will go back to usual.