What is a fair punishment for rape?

[Zetion]

Its not that I dont support prison time. i just think that killing people is wrong.
Is that really so unwarrented and immoral?

No, and I respect that and wish it were possible to follow all the time, IMO there are some people who are to dangerous to be left alive, even in a place like Gitmo.

I dont support the death penalty.The very idea of the death sentence presumes either an infallibility of the criminal justice system, or that killing innocents is an acceptable price to pay for what capital punishment may gain. I accept neither.

[Haalstad]

Chemical Castration and 6-12 years of prison

[Zetion]

Rape is a horrible crime and should be met with capital punishment, whether it was done to a child or an adult. Murder is less despicable and it too should be punished by capital punishment.

See, I dont equate Psycological trauma with murder.
How do you even put those on the same level?
You live through one, but you dont in the other.

[Zetion]

Chemical Castration and 6-12 years of prison

As long as its a drug induced Castration that surpressesinstead of eliminates (false accusations do happen, and they happen ALOT) Id support that.

[Norstal]

I nudge someone's boobs once, because she had gigantic knockers and I was trying to open the door. That's classified as rape.

Where do you live?

Isn't that sexual assault though? I live in California, that might even be under Statutory Rape.

Also, the definition I was going for: http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_sexual_assault

[Free-Beings]

No, and I respect that and wish it were possible to follow all the time, IMO there are some people who are to dangerous to be left alive, even in a place like Gitmo.

I dont support the death penalty.The very idea of the death sentence presumes either an infallibility of the criminal justice system, or that killing innocents is an acceptable price to pay for what capital punishment may gain. I accept neither.

I understamd where you're coming from, and that is why I only support it on very stringent grounds.

[Lauchlin]

Where do you live?

Isn't that sexual assault though? I live in California, that might even be under Statutory Rape.

Also, the definition I was going for: http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_sexual_assault

I don't know what the laws are in California, but I would be shocked if that qualified as sexual assault. If accidental contact with someone is considered sexual assault, there would be police lined up to arrest people coming off every subway car at rush hour. I had people accidentally brush against my junk or my ass two or three times today.

[Vesser]

Isn't that sexual assault though? I live in California, that might even be under Statutory Rape.

Also, the definition I was going for: http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_sexual_assault

I don't know what the laws are in California, but I would be shocked if that qualified as sexual assault. If accidental contact with someone is considered sexual assault, there would be police lined up to arrest people coming off every subway car at rush hour. I had people accidentally brush against my junk or my ass two or three times today.

It is sexual assault. You just don't report it. Because you like it.

You dirty whore you.

[Norstal]

Rape is a horrible crime and should be met with capital punishment, whether it was done to a child or an adult. Murder is less despicable and it too should be punished by capital punishment.

Murder is better than rape, but the suspect MUST BE KILLED!
Also note that I said suspect.

I guess the internet is just Iraqi on some days.

Isn't that sexual assault though? I live in California, that might even be under Statutory Rape.

Also, the definition I was going for: http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_sexual_assault

I don't know what the laws are in California, but I would be shocked if that qualified as sexual assault. If accidental contact with someone is considered sexual assault, there would be police lined up to arrest people coming off every subway car at rush hour. I had people accidentally brush against my junk or my ass two or three times today.

Hmmm, maybe. It wasn't that crowded when I opened the door and I didn't even know someone was behind me. But maybe that is not..classical rape in a sense.

That actually reminds me of Chikan in Japan. Whilst I don't know Japanese law, a chikan is someone who groped others in a train.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 202a6.html

Although it can be an accident, it can be treated as a criminal act. Or at least in some countries. So, this is what was on my mind when I posted that.

[Norstal]

I don't know what the laws are in California, but I would be shocked if that qualified as sexual assault. If accidental contact with someone is considered sexual assault, there would be police lined up to arrest people coming off every subway car at rush hour. I had people accidentally brush against my junk or my ass two or three times today.

It is sexual assault. You just don't report it. Because you like it.

You dirty whore you.

He always comes home with wet pants!

[The New Gaula Reich]

rape, by a rather long contraption designed to kill people with really fast projectiles made of lead or tungsten, that also has a knife attached.

[Free Baltic]

Wouldn't prevention be better than punishment?
Punishment suggestions others have suggested or tried:
1. Rape the rapist. This would not help the previous victim, just make a new one. Those who would impose the sentence would themselves become rapists or the enablers of rapists. Would you rape the rapers of rapists who rape rapists?
2. Send rapists to a prison were their rape is likely. [See #1]
3. Execute them. The crime is terrible, but does not result in death so execution is disptoportionate. In countries where this is done, rape is not unknown, but may be under-reported. In such a situation, one might be tempted to indulge in rape-murder in order to leave no witness. This is also barbaric. Not such a good choice IMHO.
4. Chemical castration. This has actually been used, with slightly positive results. However since most rape is not really about sex but power and domination it doesn't really address the problem nor prevent recurrence.
5. All things considered [and since all rapes are not the same nor arising from the same causes] there need to be different punishments and different efforts at prevention, I recommend thinking about some newer and more humane suggestions such as the following.
I suggest exposure [NOT that, publicity], shaming, psychotherapy, aversion therapy, indoctrination, religious conversion, and/or [when determined to be necessary] incarceration.

[Zetion]

Wouldn't prevention be better than punishment?
Punishment suggestions others have suggested or tried:
1. Rape the rapist. This would not help the previous victim, just make a new one. Those who would impose the sentence would themselves become rapists or the enablers of rapists. Would you rape the rapers of rapists who rape rapists?
2. Send rapists to a prison were their rape is likely. [See #1]
3. Execute them. The crime is terrible, but does not result in death so execution is disptoportionate. In countries where this is done, rape is not unknown, but may be under-reported. In such a situation, one might be tempted to indulge in rape-murder in order to leave no witness. This is also barbaric. Not such a good choice IMHO.
4. Chemical castration. This has actually been used, with slightly positive results. However since most rape is not really about sex but power and domination it doesn't really address the problem nor prevent recurrence.
5. All things considered [and since all rapes are not the same nor arising from the same causes] there need to be different punishments and different efforts at prevention, I recommend thinking about some newer and more humane suggestions such as the following.
I suggest exposure [NOT that, publicity], shaming, psychotherapy, aversion therapy, indoctrination, religious conversion, and/or [when determined to be necessary] incarceration.

Why religious conversion?
People of all religions commit rape?

[Gravlen]

All of those crimes are incredibly hanis , miserable, and damaging crimes in their own respect; none quite as bad as rape, however.

I think it's silly and unhelpful to generalize like that. Rape comes in many different variants, from already being engaged in sexual intercourse and not stopping when the other person asks you to, to a stranger pulling a person off the street into an abandoned building and brutally raping her for hours. And even more and less violent / brutal scenarios can be imagined.

And the same goes for (other kinds of) assault. You've got everything from being slapped to being beaten to within an inch of your life, suffering permanent and irreversible damage of an extremely serious nature.

So I don't think you can say that no other type of crime is as bad as rape. It will all depend on the situation and the circumstances.

[Gravlen]

Having a brother who has done time, I can tell you, that Murderers are actually at the top of the list, followed by crimeboss's, Gang leaders and Drug Dealers and even most rapists. Your second teir/first bitches are Car thieves, Drug Runners/Mules, followed by Trannies, drug addicts/Pot users and snitches. and at the very bottom, are former and current corrupt cops, and Child molesters.

And rape is practically guaranteed to happen to the majority of inmates, regardless of their crime.

Any proof to support your claim apart from anecdotal evidence?

'cause the available statistics show a high rate of sexual abuse (the numbers vary, with a report dated 1986 (well before the Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003) suggesting a number as high as 23% - a high number, but still not nearly "the majority of inmates". The Sexual Violence Reported by Correctional Authorities report from 2006 suggests that the numbers are much lower than 23%.

[Gravlen]

If the person has been proven guilty, without a doubt, I would chemically castrate him.

...and nothing else? No prison time? Just let them go?

[Gravlen]

Demand 25 year mandatory sentences for rape cases and you can expect to see convictions drop through the floor. Encourage prisoners to abuse each other and you can expect that fewer of them will be rehabilitated. Persecute people with felonies on their record and they may return to crime out of desperation.

I'm afraid you're quite right about this...

[Gravlen]

Honestly, you can't kill people for inappropriate touchings. I nudge someone's boobs once, because she had gigantic knockers and I was trying to open the door. That's classified as rape. Rape doesn't have to be penetrative.

I don't believe you.

Isn't this where someone swoops in and shouts "Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea!" while wearing a kilt and waving a walking stick around?

[Zephie]

Am I the only person that sees something wrong with the ridiculous penalties people here say should be inflicted upon accused rapists? What if the woman was lying and after having sex with a man said she was raped?

[Geniasis]

Am I the only person that sees something wrong with the ridiculous penalties people here say should be inflicted upon accused rapists? What if the woman was lying and after having sex with a man said she was raped?

How often does that happen?

[Zephie]

Am I the only person that sees something wrong with the ridiculous penalties people here say should be inflicted upon accused rapists? What if the woman was lying and after having sex with a man said she was raped?

How often does that happen?

I don 't know, I wasn't there. But how hard is it to lie about rape? Exactly.

[Lauchlin]

How often does that happen?

I don 't know, I wasn't there. But how hard is it to lie about rape? Exactly.

How hard is it to get a rape conviction? Exactly.

[Geniasis]

I don 't know, I wasn't there. But how hard is it to lie about rape? Exactly.

How hard is it to get a conviction? Exactly.

[Zephie]

I don 't know, I wasn't there. But how hard is it to lie about rape? Exactly.

How hard is it to get a conviction? Exactly.

Being convicted of crimes should be hard. It should be beyond all reasonable doubt. Unfortunately it doesn't always end that way.

[Lauchlin]

How hard is it to get a conviction? Exactly.

Being convicted of crimes should be hard. It should be beyond all reasonable doubt. Unfortunately it doesn't always end that way.

Feel free to come back with some statistics if you can find some.