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Postby Rokartian States » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:55 pm

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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:39 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Wealth redistribution I am very well familiar with. But "looks" redistribution? That's something new. I guess the Marxists have a point, in trying to redistribute looks, as good looking people make more money. Once again, I get shafted.



Umm, I was merely suggesting that there are human qualities that are responsible for creating inequalities and that wealth disparity is not the only source of inequality. I did not actually suggest that Marxists WERE trying to redistribute looks. :?

But yes, hard work, good looks, charisma and intelligence are factors that will get some people favorable treatment over others. They will thus attains positions of greater influence, wether those positions "officially" exist or not and will constitute a seperate class. Thus it is a cause of inequality. Total equality is not possible, or even desirable.

Sorry, I was just having some fun with that, and making a joke about my looks. Although, I am short and that's a negative for income.
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Postby Sibirsky » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:00 pm


Gee - I could tell that one was a doozy.
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Postby Zutroy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:55 am



Nonsensical.
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what the heck are you talking about?

Postby Awesomelegitness » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:13 pm

Bluth Corporation wrote:
Qwcasd wrote:Then why is the U.S. poverty rate so much higher then other European countries, if charity is so much better?


Because the threshold for poverty in the US is much, much higher than what is used throughout most of Europe.

The standard of living represented by that line is also much, much higher than the standard of living at the poverty line that is used throughout much of Europe.


First of all I would like to know on what you are basing you "standart of living"theory. Because poverty is measured the same all over the world. The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US $1.25 (PPP) per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day.

I would also like to say that most european contries have higher minimum wages than the U.S.

And to answer the original question, it is because Europeans care less about having 3 cars and more about paying taxes so that everybody gets medical care etc.

Where the American charity is directly from the individual to another (or through organizations), European charity is through taxes (and therefore not counted as charity (when calculated).

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:30 pm

Awesomelegitness wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:
Because the threshold for poverty in the US is much, much higher than what is used throughout most of Europe.

The standard of living represented by that line is also much, much higher than the standard of living at the poverty line that is used throughout much of Europe.


First of all I would like to know on what you are basing you "standart of living"theory. Because poverty is measured the same all over the world. The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US $1.25 (PPP) per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day.

I would also like to say that most european contries have higher minimum wages than the U.S.

And to answer the original question, it is because Europeans care less about having 3 cars and more about paying taxes so that everybody gets medical care etc.

Where the American charity is directly from the individual to another (or through organizations), European charity is through taxes (and therefore not counted as charity (when calculated).

No. Not it is not.

The definition of poverty world wide as defined by the World Bank is not the definition of poverty in the United States or Europe.

The Poverty line in the United States is $10,890
The Poverty line in the United Kingdom is £5200 (or roughly $15,000)
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Postby Rolamec » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:31 pm

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Postby Burtonea » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:53 pm

One problem (among many) with stateless "pure" communism, is that without anyone to force people onto the communes and cooperatives at gunpoint and to punish consenting capitalistic acts, it'll fall apart.

If they could actually get the socialist state to give up power, I imagine a scenario like this:
"Alright everyone, we're gonna be communist now! There will be equality, and work will be fun and 'artistically directed', and people will work without any personal reward, and we'll get to ride on unicorns! Oh, and it will all be eco-friendly. Ready?"
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Postby Awesomelegitness » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:13 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Awesomelegitness wrote:
First of all I would like to know on what you are basing you "standart of living"theory. Because poverty is measured the same all over the world. The World Bank defines extreme poverty as living on less than US $1.25 (PPP) per day, and moderate poverty as less than $2 a day.

I would also like to say that most european contries have higher minimum wages than the U.S.

And to answer the original question, it is because Europeans care less about having 3 cars and more about paying taxes so that everybody gets medical care etc.

Where the American charity is directly from the individual to another (or through organizations), European charity is through taxes (and therefore not counted as charity (when calculated).

No. Not it is not.

The definition of poverty world wide as defined by the World Bank is not the definition of poverty in the United States or Europe.

The Poverty line in the United States is $10,890
The Poverty line in the United Kingdom is £5200 (or roughly $15,000)


That is relative poverty (poverty compared to the society standard), but okay.
and that still doesn't answe the original question. You're just saying that the UK defines being poor if you make $15000 and the U.S defines being poor if you make $10000. Which still means that America has more poor people

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Postby Mosasauria » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:15 pm

Arilando wrote:How would it work on a daily basis? Who would make the laws and who would enforce them? How would the economy be Managed? How would you get food and electricity?

I have tried to find the answers to these questions but it seems like people who call themselves Communist can never answer them. But since they advocate Communism, they should know how a Communist society would work. Any communist out there who can answer my questions?

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Postby Yootwopia » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:21 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:The Poverty line in the United Kingdom is £5200 (or roughly $15,000)

Neither of those things is even slightly true.

The poverty line in the UK is defined as this amount of money per week, after housing costs (in 2008/9, Source ):

Single person - £119 (£6.2k per year)
Couple - £206 (£10.7k per year)
Lone parent with two children (aged 5 and 14) - £247 (12.8k per year)
Couple with two children (aged 5 and 14) - £333 (17.4k per year)

The pound is not worth $3, it's more like $1.50, although this changes all the time, obviously.
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Postby The Divine Imperium » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:59 pm

First imagine a cavern. It is pitch black. Then imagine fire everywhere. It is extremely hot, posters of Stalin and Karl Marx everywhere. Then this red dude pops up and says, "Welcome to hell." Thats' how I imagine it.

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Postby Mosasauria » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:01 pm

The Divine Imperium wrote:First imagine a cavern. It is pitch black. Then imagine fire everywhere. It is extremely hot, posters of Stalin and Karl Marx everywhere. Then this red dude pops up and says, "Welcome to hell." Thats' how I imagine it.

I dropped out of my Communism class. I was getting bad Marxs

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Postby Genivar » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:07 pm

Vote for me and you'll see. Jk. :D
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Postby NERVUN » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:11 pm

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