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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:19 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:This doesn't appear to be as US harmful as I thought it would be. This doesn't even appear anywhere near the level I thought it would be either.

They haven't finished releasing all the documents yet.

Well I'll wait to see what is distributed before I make any final judgements.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:21 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:This doesn't appear to be as US harmful as I thought it would be. This doesn't even appear anywhere near the level I thought it would be either.

It's damaging to international relations.

Proably, but maybe, just maybe we can use this moment to say "hey we didn't want this released, some guy took it." I'm no international political analyist so this probably won't work though.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:22 pm

United Dependencies wrote:Proably, but maybe, just maybe we can use this moment to say "hey we didn't want this released, some guy took it." I'm no international political analyist so this probably won't work though.

It's about what we reported. Not that we released it, that it was said at all.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:22 pm

It might improve relations with Russia. Putin probably finds "alpha dog" rather flattering.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:24 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Proably, but maybe, just maybe we can use this moment to say "hey we didn't want this released, some guy took it." I'm no international political analyist so this probably won't work though.

It's about what we reported. Not that we released it, that it was said at all.

Yea. Well I'm still going to wait to see how this all turns out before passing any real judgement on it.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby MisanthropicPopulism » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:This doesn't appear to be as US harmful as I thought it would be. This doesn't even appear anywhere near the level I thought it would be either.

It's damaging to international relations.

I am pretty sure it is known internationally that Americans are dicks.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:37 pm

MisanthropicPopulism wrote:I am pretty sure it is known internationally that Americans are dicks.

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Postby L3 Communications » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:45 pm

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Norstal wrote:See, this is what I don't get about Wikileaks. They release documents that pertains obvious information to the general populace that the general populace themselves can't even read. What the hell do they accomplish by doing this?


It gets the cameras focused on Julian Assange for a few more minutes. He's a substantial narcissist, and enjoys being the center of attention.


Here's hoping it gets him killed one day.
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Postby Neo Shinmin » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:07 pm

Several major media organisations, including The Guardian and The New York Times, have published detailed reports on a massive trove of leaked US diplomatic cables.

The files address negative perceptions of various world leaders, repeated calls for US attack on Iran, and requests for US diplomats to spy on other countries' officials.

The White House has described the leaks as "reckless and dangerous".

There are several explosive revelations contained within the documents including diplomatic notes detailing how Arab leaders in the Gulf have been urging an attack on "evil" Iran.

The documents reveal serious fears in Washington over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme.

They also detail advice given to US diplomats on how to gather intelligence and pass information of interest over to the country's spy agencies. According to media reports, senior UN figures were the target of intelligence gathering by US diplomats.

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Well NS, what do you think? Is this a reckless endangerment of lives, or an enormous global public service? Or are you still making up your mind?

Personally, I think Wikileaks is the greatest thing ever invented on the internets.
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Postby Satirius » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:08 pm

more excuse to smash quisling statists/state for libertad

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:08 pm

I think the ringleaders of wikileaks should be given a trial and then promptly shot.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:09 pm

Oh common, 4 threads about this in NSG now.
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Postby Ascelonia » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I think the ringleaders of wikileaks should be given a trial and then promptly shot.


Agreed.

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Postby Ascelonia » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:10 pm

Norstal wrote:Oh common, 4 threads about this in NSG now.


The minute one dies. Another appears.

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Postby Neo Shinmin » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:10 pm

Norstal wrote:Oh common, 4 threads about this in NSG now.


Sorry, I didn't see any of the others!

Anyway it's still far less than the number of threads we have pointlessly debating atheism vs theism, or capitalism vs communism, or whether or not adult humans should be allowed to sodomize children and animals. It's also, I daresay, more important and discussion worthy than any of those.
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Postby Augarundus » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:12 pm

Not sure.

It's treason (bad).

... but I don't like statism (good).
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:13 pm

I'm not sure yet. One thing I do know is that I don't appreciate adding more fuel to the libertarian/anarchist fire.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby L3 Communications » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:13 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I think the ringleaders of wikileaks should be given a trial and then promptly shot.


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Postby Erathore » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:13 pm

I disapprove of wikileaks.

Conserative Morality wrote:I think the ringleaders of wikileaks should be given a trial and then promptly shot.

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Postby Bendira » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:13 pm

Probably the only thing that gives me hope for the future.
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Postby Satirius » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:14 pm

L3 Communications wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I think the ringleaders of wikileaks should be given a trial and then promptly shot.


+9001

If only it were that easy. . _ .

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Postby L3 Communications » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:14 pm

Bendira wrote:Probably the only thing that gives me hope for the future.


Wikileaks causes the destruction and erosion of liberty by creating paranoia. It is hilariously ironic, that the people who supposedly champion "freedom" are leading to it's utter damnation through the creation of paranoid West.

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+9001

If only it were that easy. . _ .

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dwi

i actually dislike this not because of the information being released, but because as that information is released illegally it causes paranoia which leads to more civil freedoms being restricted

each time something endangers the western world's sense of security, we lock ourselves up in an ever tightening grip of tyranny

wikileaks is no different, rly
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Postby Dempublicents1 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:15 pm

I'm wondering when they'll start leaking information like this from countries other than major Western ones. Where are the big leaks from Iran? China? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? India? Israel?

At this point, it doesn't look like a service so much as a vendetta against the US and maybe a few of its allies.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:16 pm

Satirius wrote:statist stooge

I love how the libertarians and anarchists as of late have been throwing around 'Statist' like an insult.
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Postby Bendira » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:18 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Satirius wrote:statist stooge

I love how the libertarians and anarchists as of late have been throwing around 'Statist' like an insult.


Satirius is a manboy, not an anarchist.
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