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Postby Urcea » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:58 pm

By the way, Godwin's Law.
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Postby New Kereptica » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:58 pm

Urcea wrote:Source?


In technicality, at least: he was Confirmed.

He seems to have been more spiritually Christian than denominationally Catholic, indeed.
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Postby Urcea » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:59 pm

New Kereptica wrote:
Urcea wrote:Source?


In technicality, at least: he was Confirmed.

He seems to have been more spiritually Christian than denominationally Catholic, indeed.


That doesn't necessarily make him a Catholic - many atheists are baptized and confirmed Catholics.
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Postby New Kereptica » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:59 pm

Urcea wrote:That doesn't necessarily make him a Catholic - many atheists are baptized and confirmed Catholics.


Indeed. So yeah, I recant.
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Postby Power and Stability » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:00 pm

The religious views of the Nazi Party and Hitler shifted over the years, so it is difficult to tell if Hitler was Christian
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Postby Grandais » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:00 pm

Urcea wrote:By the way, Godwin's Law.

More like Godwin's Hijack by this point.

I'm just glad we all agree he was Christian.
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:01 pm

Urcea wrote:By the way, Godwin's Law.


It was... inevitable.

Grandais wrote:More like Godwin's Hijack by this point.

I'm just glad we all agree he was Christian.



I thought he was Adolf..
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:01 pm

Barringtonia wrote:
Teccor wrote:That's bull. Hitler's not in heaven. You can't say you'e a Christian, go totally against Jesus' teachings, then expect to pass through the St. Peter's gate.

Enjoy the Lake of Boiling Blood, Hitler you bastard.


I thought killing Jews was totally fine, they specifically don't accept Jesus.

Hitler was doing God's work, I'm surprised the Pope hasn't beatified him.

the church gave up that jew hating thing a while back.
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Postby Kingdom-democracy » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:04 pm

Barringtonia wrote:
Qwcasd wrote:If a man is honestly and atheists, and has reason in his mind that there is no God, I don't see why he should go to hell. Even C.S. Lewis thinks that.


C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.

I don't know where you get your infomation man have you ever read the bible? The bible never said anything about you burning in hell fire if you where bad and didn't bilive in him it said that you are in a black area with no feeling no life which means that you went out like a candle the flame dosent go any where when you blow it out it is just gone.

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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:04 pm

ok for all of you insulting Christianity lay off. All religons have their flaws.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:05 pm

Kingdom-democracy wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:
C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.

I don't know where you get your infomation man have you ever read the bible? The bible never said anything about you burning in hell fire if you where bad and didn't bilive in him it said that you are in a black area with no feeling no life which means that you went out like a candle the flame dosent go any where when you blow it out it is just gone.

aye

the wages of sin are death not an eternal life of torment.
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Postby Power and Stability » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:05 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:ok for all of you insulting Christianity lay off. All religons have their flaws.

But Christianity has the most
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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:06 pm

i mean SERIOUSLY Jesus died on a CROSS for you after he had stayed there two days, had to drag the cross to the killing grounds, get whipped and tortured, and got a crown of thorns on his head and you guys are insulting the people who respect and worship him.
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Postby Grandais » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:07 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:ok for all of you insulting Christianity lay off. All religons have their flaws.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that we can't discuss them.
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Postby New Kereptica » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:07 pm

Power and Stability wrote:But Christianity has the most


I doubt that.
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 pm

Kingdom-democracy wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:
C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.

I don't know where you get your infomation man have you ever read the bible? The bible never said anything about you burning in hell fire if you where bad and didn't bilive in him it said that you are in a black area with no feeling no life which means that you went out like a candle the flame dosent go any where when you blow it out it is just gone.


(Luke 16:22-28)

22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:i mean SERIOUSLY Jesus died on a CROSS for you after he had stayed there two days, had to drag the cross to the killing grounds, get whipped and tortured, and got a crown of thorns on his head and you guys are insulting the people who respect and worship him.

it was his choice to make up for the mistakes he made as god the father.
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Austin Setzer wrote:i mean SERIOUSLY Jesus died on a CROSS for you after he had stayed there two days, had to drag the cross to the killing grounds, get whipped and tortured, and got a crown of thorns on his head and you guys are insulting the people who respect and worship him.


People go through things like that every day.

Life's shit and then you die.
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Postby Austin Setzer » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 pm

plus you guys so far havent talked about ANY other religon other than being Atheist and Christian.
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Postby Genivar » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 pm

Source? Ok.
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Postby Urcea » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 pm

Power and Stability wrote:
Austin Setzer wrote:ok for all of you insulting Christianity lay off. All religons have their flaws.

But Christianity has the most


Ever heard of Scientology? Mormanism (technically Christianity)?
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Postby New Kereptica » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:08 pm

Austin Setzer wrote:plus you guys so far havent talked about ANY other religon other than being Atheist and Christian.


That's because the subject of this thread is atheists in Christian heaven.
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Postby Urcea » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Genivar wrote:Snip


Those don't show anything. The first picture is just a group of priests saluting their country, which is perfectly natural. The other ones show Hitler meeting with what appears to be high ranking Church officials, which is also not a big deal. The last picture I don't even understand.
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Postby Power and Stability » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:11 pm

Urcea wrote:
Power and Stability wrote:But Christianity has the most


Ever heard of Scientology? Mormanism (technically Christianity)?

Ok, but I'm sure it's right up there in the top 5
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Postby Demen » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:11 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:This applies not only to atheists, but any other believer to a non-christian faith.

I was having a chat with my friend(he's highly religious), and he told me that if "you don't have God in your heart, you'll go to Hell. No matter if you're good or not." I was thinking about, and well, it just doesn't make sense.. Take Gandhi for example. He was a leading figure in non-violent resistance. He protected the poor and stood up for their civil rights. When you think of peace, many people think of him. But he was Hindu. When he died, did God completely ignore evrything good Gandhi did, and focus on him being Hindu? No matter how good you are, if you're not Christian you'll go to Hell? Is that right NSG?

I'm sorry if I offened anyone, that is the last thing I wanted to do. This is not meant to be a flaming contest, so please, keep it clean.

NOTE:This is assuming God is real, and that a Heaven and Hell exist

NOTE: God isn't real, and neither is heaven.

So neither theists or atheists go to heaven/hell.

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